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I get really sad when I see parents who refuse to get off the booze/drugs/dope for the sake of their children. Such selfishness is unparalleled and ultimately leads to the death of many innocent young children. I wish to God that drug rehab was made mandatory, but then, some parents just don't want their kids, plain and simple. DOCS is then an easy scapegoat when they can't bear to take a good look at themselves in the mirror. I'm sure all the readers here, who care so much about children, will agree.

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sickandtiredofthecorruption's picture

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For one thing...you must not allow anyone to be able to see your friends list. Secondly report her and she will be blocked.

I know where you are....when you get to a place where the police and the law make assumptions,the feeling of wanting to go to bed and never wake up....

We are all suffering from Trauma. You need to see a good psychiatrist that can understand all of this and can vouch for you.

I have found all of this to be so overwhelming,that I have had to make myself stop for a few weeks. I advice you perhaps to take a little break too,start to enjoy your life without feeling guilty,but be careful with whom you associate.Maybe hang out with some people who are not involved,try and find who you are again.Avoid temptation,no one except you can do that.

About your letter....it's great,but most people won't want to read it all as it is very long.
If there is any way you can make it more concise....point form,making breaches clear....

Hope this helps,
R

Post traumatic Stress/shock etc is very real.To people who have never had such a loss,and then to be kicked in the teeth on top of it.....they are not human,they will never understand.

Lukes Dad's picture

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Thanks SicnTired. I am hoping that what I have started will be looked on by legal experts and changed into a concise dossier which could be presented in parlaiment, instigating actions which could be followed through to create definite change.
I created the Luke's Army group on facebook, and then facebook closed down my personal profile. So now, because I am just administrator, I have lost the ability to hide the group members. I emailed them about it the other day but received no response.
Thankyou once again
Michael.

Lifes misfortunes fall disproportionately on the young.

http://lukesarmy.com/

Lukes Dad's picture

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This is how it is done in Australia as well. I went through the same thing with Luke, and there is noone you can turn to. These child protection workers answer to noone, and the people that should be making urgent changes, the ministers for child safety in each state, do nothing but cover up all evidence of mismanagement and corruption, hiding it all behind biased media laws which forbid relevant media coverage of these atrocities.

This has nothing to do with drugs or alcohol. It is about a group of public servants who are running unchecked, and have lost site of what "family" means.

Lifes misfortunes fall disproportionately on the young.

http://lukesarmy.com/

NWO's picture

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Mick its been a while. How are you doing.

Yes we live constant fear of these arseholes. What a thing for a new mother to feel at child birth.

The hospitals are becoming a dangerous place for parents to go to have children. The service is getting like a lottery draw. One day a nice nurse the next day Dr Death wanting to use welfare service as a means to defend the incompetence.

One doctor was using DoCS as a power arm to convey children into voluntary unneeded ear operations deeming it was essential for the child psychological development.

all research pointed at there was no correlation to a child's learning and glue ear and this doctor was just a butcher looking for foster kids to operate on. Oh yeah they all make DR Death look normal here at Bundaberg.

NWO's picture

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Generalization IMO

I get really sad when people think that because you drink or take drugs you need a nanny to tell you what is right and wrong.

What the hell is the use of being an adult when many try to treat you like a child all your life?

Freedom of choice for adults I say! Live and let live.

I want to move out of this country to a better place with better human rights because of people like the OP.

Self esteem is the main issue. The do gooders that segregate communities by introducing policies, codes and statutes that support the like of>>

Dob in a water hog.
Dob in a bikey
Dob in a hoon
Dob in a dope dealer

Now dob in a druggo is what you purpose?

Maybe
dob in a dobber,
dob in a dickhead.
Dob in a busy body
Dob in a arsehole with no life
Dob in a power addicted do gooder.
Dob in a totalitarian.
Dob in an anti liberationists
Dob in a war criminal, AU armed forces.

You think drug use amounts to child abuse?

I feel safer with drug users than I do around police, because the are addicted to corruption and lying.

Lying with the power to create much harm on lives is a very dangerous thing.

I feel safer around alcoholics than magistrates because they are addicted to power and send innocent people to a law made hell called gaol. Um maggotstrates and alcoholics same diff!

I would safer around the mafia because they have families values.

I feel safer around anyone than I do DoCS because they cant tell the truth.

There are much worse things than drugs. like government corruption and perjury in courts. Abuse of precious society given powers.

Its getting to the point our authorities word is mud and means absolutely nothing. Today's authoritative liars are no better than a drug dealer telling lies in court. worse in fact as they set the moral bar so low to begin with

As a child I was physically and sexually abused by the most noted moral and straight people in society and never been abused by drug users.

My children were neglected with the straight foster carers. I have pictures to prove it beat the living day lights out of DoCS's case.

So what gives?

Drug use is more common than you think.

I was straight for years, no cannabis, and nothing changed in my life, I just saw more adversity in society than I previously saw when smoking cannabis.

Cannabis made me more accepting and relaxed around people with sticks up the butt holes.

Cannabis never killed a single person.

Drug use is a victimless disordinance, not even under common law.

Police are now state revenue collection office workers for disodinance breaches and treat people as common law breakers under statute or codes, and have no time on their hand to care for communities under common law.

Make people feel like common law criminals with codes and statutes and the communities esteem will decay, then you open a Pandora's box for more criminal activities.

Drug use is not assault.

Drug use is not child abuse.

Drug use is not murder.

Drug use is not war crimes against civilians.

Drug use is just drug use.

Water has more chance of killing you than THC in cannabis.

As for heroine use. Prohibition is causing its users to buy unsafe quality drugs. 5% 95% crap Street grade heroin vs 100% natural digger poppy day opium vs AIDS and needle use.

As for speed and other crap you can get it from a chemist if you can drive a car and have a license.

Great you can take speed if you are allowed to drive on the road.

People like the OP really has a good hand in fucking up people well and true.

Increase the price of tobacco to force people to give up, they now smoke the butts from their ash trays. Yuky and worse for your health. They are not improving things they are making it worse every day.

USA 0 tolerance to drugs has drug wars and children being killed. The crime rate is exploding as casual drug users and or teenagers are put straight into the criminal element from a young age.

USA the land of the unfree has more people in prisons since the drug wars than ever. The more they fight using statues and codes like common laws the worse it gets.

I ask the OP to get a grip on the the meanings of laws and statutes and what the differences are. Because magistrates and police are clueless on the basic fundamentals of laws or they are just treating the public like idiots. Which one is it?

Are we the humble public stupid or are the authorities clueless?

I think the authorities are clueless and failed social contract for too long to be honest because it doesn't make any difference if you're smart. Meaning the authorities are not qualified to fine or imprison anyone under disordinances.

Drug codes is a helmet fine on a bicycle, even though you have no agreement with the state roads and signed no agreement to obey shit they still think they own your use on the road.

I agree with sickandtiredofthecorruption.

Fuck off.

When will people learn to stop playing with peoples lives.

ausaec's picture

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Beautifully said NWO. Can we vote for you in our next election .. lol

Mick's picture

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"I wish to God that...."

Momma, you may not want to mention God too much to DOCS employees. They get scared and have you thrown in jail ..

http://www.northernstar.com.au/story/2010/07/24/serial-stalker-jailed-ov...

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love it good 4 u hunni u r my hero Charmaine xxoo

I Ponda as I Wonda But Wonda in great thought

Lukes Dad's picture

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I am sure the readers here will agree that just because you may have taken drugs or drunk alcohol, does not make you a fuckhead, the same as just because you don't do it, doesn't mean you are not a fuckhead, you being a prime example.

Lifes misfortunes fall disproportionately on the young.

http://lukesarmy.com/

momma's picture

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wow..

"just because you may have taken drugs or drunk alcohol"

I wasn't talking about the average person who might have a social drink occasionally, I'm talking about the ones who neglect their kids because they're too out of it, and their whole lives are based on using and getting more .. rather than basing their lives on looking after their kids..

I agree that "Lifes misfortunes fall disproportionately on the young" that's why parents need to put aside their own selfish desires and hedonistic lifestyles so that they can provide stable, safe and nurturing homes environments for their kids..

Not lifestyles dominated by drugs, dealers, police, jails, starvation, neglect, violence and chaos.. the costs to children of parental substance abuse is horrendous..

sickandtiredofthecorruption's picture

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There are plenty of people out there who have their children,who shouldn't. Plenty of Judges,Doctors,Lawyers,Teachers who go home and get smashed every night.......

Docs were supporting me to get custody of my children....it was a bastard Judge,probably on drugs,or with a bad hangover,or perhaps he had a fight with his wife....who blew us all away by deciding to place the kids into care,and once a Judge makes a decision,everyone has to bow down to IT.
THAT judge has been removed from the Childrens Court and doesn't have the BALLS to correct his mistake.

You would make an excellent Docs Worker though....

Momma,don't come here and speak rubbish!This could happen to you,to anyone.

If you want to call a spade a spade,do it when you know what you are talking about.

Incompetence,corruption in any Government Department is abhorrent,especially when it involves Children or the Ethical Practises of the Medical Profession.

Why don't you do something useful with your time,like,um...let's see......

Fucking off!

ausaec's picture

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Ahhhahahahah ahahhahahahahaahahah. just pissed myself laughting sick&tired. u make me smile :-)

bringingthemhome's picture

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You appear to be uneducated in todays Child Protection Legislations. policies, procedures , directives and the Children's Charter of Rights Momma.

What we have is a total Political and Government failure of policy guidlines around SERVICES for FAMILIES dating back to 1991 re: Greiner Government, and a severe lack of monitoring systems to identify Dpt deficiencies.

The Carr Government tried to rectify the situation , however far too many expert jobs had gone by the wayside due to Community Services cut backs, and its been down hill since then Re: The Asher Report etc etc.

Community services NSW is now a very sinister secret society of SPIN DOCTORS protecting the false image of this appallingly run DPT.

Believe what you will .

In the meantime we will stand by the saying > It Pays To Ignore The Ignorant.

FREE THE CHILDREN

Jaye's picture

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The Public Interest Advocacy Centre's long running false imprisonment test case against the state of NEW South Wales has been set down for hearing between 23 August & 31 August 2010.

PIACs client alleges the Department of Community Services DoCs unlawfully detained her at the Kanangra Centre on the mid north coast of NSW. The woman has mild to moderate intellectual disability & had lived in the community before her detention until she was eighteen years old.

Kanangra, near Morisset, was slated for closure after a Government inquiry in the 1980s. The case asserts the rights of people with disability not to be held in institutional settings of any sort without proper orders for detention.

Natasha Case is the senior solicitor

jaye

cathy's picture

Very interesting

Thanks for this info Jaye
Where do I fond out more about this case?

Jaye's picture

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Hi Cathy

To get more information about this just go to the Public Interest Advocacy Centre webpage & click on access to justice.

Hope this helps

jaye

ausaec's picture

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dont hold ur breath with piac but, ive been trying to get them to acknowledge the new stolen generation for 7 years, and they're not interested. they're only interested in the last stolen generation now that every man and his dog is onboard and after funding.

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Hi Jaye

Then this should apply to our gorgeous Emily also.

Hence we have a Government Dpt DOHS/DoCS NSW practising NEOLIBERALISM and CHILD PROTECTION Re: A DEADLY MIX

FREE THE CHILDREN

Mick's picture

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Um - your post presumes that all those parents that have to deal with DoCS are junkies and / or alcoholics. They are not. These are the very sort of presumptions in the community that are dangerous to the running of the child protection system as they give the community the perception that it is always the parents that do not act in the interests of the children.

Just because there are many of those particular cases does not mean they are ALL those cases. We wouldn't want to go to a hospital and immediately be put on a dialysis machine if we had a broken wrist just because hospitals deal with far more dialysis patients than broken wrists.

Similarly DoCS caseworkers should have the capacity to **think** and tailor interventions to suit the interests of the children and family. After all these caseworkers are supposed to have a university degree.

They are supposed to be there to provide a service to the community (that is why they are the Department of Community Services) and always act in the interests of the children and family. Its just not good enough for caseworkers to repeat instructions from other government agencies that have their own agendas rather than the interests of the children.

In the case reported here all they did was take instructions from a hospital without considering the child's dignity.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/chemo-forced-on-dying-teen-sar...

In our case DoCS refused therapies that were recommended because they the department responsible didn't want to provide them.

It is also known that DoCS removes children after responsible parents take them to hospital and the doctors misdiagnose them.

Its unfortunate that DoCS appears to be more about validating government agencies than working for children and families.

bringingthemhome's picture

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Welcome to the DoCS forum Momma

Junkie really is a disgusting name/word for a drug addict.

The word JUNKIE being aligned to a Heroin addict and the stigma placed on people addicted to it shows nil human compassion.

If local and federal governments were serious about assisting Heroin or any other substance abuse addicts they would allocate real funds into the health system.

Our governments are more than happy to pay/subsidise drug addict's life time uses of drugs such as Methadone, Valium , Temazapan etc etc etc when all this really does is line the pockets of GP's and Drug Company's that come at a dime a dozen.

Once again the facts are that the more successful drug treatments are not available or funded to the avarage drug addict. Yet if Naltrexone was available to heroin addicts ...we would see a higher success rate of course.

The humane misery of drug addiction for the user is more commonly a life sentence where people such as yourself who have nil compassion for these people are one of the reasons why governments do not allocate adequate funds. Re: It will never be an election issue , therefore drugs such as Naltrexone will not be available.

Common sense does not prevail as the cost of all other prescription drugs our governments are more than happy to subsidise to drug users compliments of immoral Gp's and drug companies is ten fold compared to the price of Naltrexone over a ten year period.

Most people who take to drug and alcohol are victims of some sort, hence the drugs and alcohol become a daily use of blocking out their past nightmares. To many people like myself drug and alcohol addiction is a serious illnes , to others such as yourself you see them as refusing to get off it and selfish. I'm sure most drug addicts and alcoholics have looked in the mirror at some stage of their addictions and wished they had never touched Heroin or Alcohol.

I'm sure all the readers/members here would not agree with your comment that DoCS are an easy Scape Goat. As many of us here are not Alcoholics or Drug Users , we are victims of DoCs and so are our children who we deeply love and care for.

FREE THE CHILDREN

Lukes Dad's picture

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I know who momma is, she has been badgering me with false accusations and slander all over facebook. She has attacked me and then called the police to press charges, when all I did was hold her back as she severely scratched my face. I have never hit her, and never will.
Janine M. White on facebook. She has been emailing people and posted all sorts of horrible crap.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000922697911&v=app_2309869772#!/group.php?gid=177005468124&v=wall&story_fbid=453544213124

Well here are some truths about this fuckhead.

Janine spent two months in the pschyc or mental health ward earlier this year. It was not Janine's first stint in the nuthouse. She has actually been locked down here a few times, the most recent before this was about ten years ago, to her credit.
It is hard to believe that Janine would say such things about others in her original post, when you consider that Janine is an ex-prostitute from King's Cross, who had a chronic apetite for heroin for many years.
Janine invited me to her bbq one day. I went and picked up the bbq from her friends house for her, and laid down in her bed while she went out and got drunk with her friends before the bbz.
I was awoken by a phone call from Janine checking I was still at her house and everything was alright. I informed her that she had woken me up and all was ok.
I was woken up again shortly after this phone call by Janine's friend who I had briefly met earlier that morning, Heidi.
Heidi informed me that she had taken it upon herself to pack all of my belongings into the back of my ute, and I was to leave immediately. I of course refused and stated I would talk to Janine about it, it was none of her business.
Heidi immediately went into attack mode. Throwing punches and trying to scratch me. An eye witness account from the friend who accommpanied her (Janine was nowhere to be seen), stated I held her head down on the bedside table, but once I let her go she began attacking me again.
I fled downstairs, where heidi was close in pursuit. Heidi began throwing punches again, she then gave up on that idea and picked up a frying pan and proceeded to attack me with that, until I, without striking her, disarmed her.
Heidi then armed herself with a steel broomstick handle, without the broom on the end. I once again disarmed her, without striking her or harming her, the friend of Heidi's also confirmed this.
Heidi then proceeded to start throwing punches and trying to scratch me again. Somehow none of these attacks injured me, as I dragged her to the door and pushed her outside.
One would think, me being 6' 4", Heidi would have the sense to give up, she is around 5'4". But no, according to about a dozen people who I was talking to at a pub about a week ago who all know her, this is Heidi all over.
In the last month, Heidi has been arrested for head butting someone in a bar. She has also been previously arrested for smashing a glass into someone's face in another bar. Heidi does this all the time, but this is forgotten the moment she makes a call to the police with accusations of violence from a male.
No, Heidi keeps forcing her way back in the unit again to resume her attacks, as I continually push her back out, until I am holding her face down. When I let her up this time, she finally quits, but immediately calls the police.
Seven police cars arrived, and without so much as a word, I was dragged off to the watchhouse. My story counted for nothing. I have been charged with assault, one of the times I pushed her out the door she grazed the screen door with her face on the way out. A pretty good effort if you ask me. Fifteen minutes of continuous attacks upon me, and all she got was a graze on the face.
Where is Janine White while this is happening in her apartment? Nowhere to be seen, despite having been at lunch with Heidi all afternoon.

When Janine recently heard I was visiting my best friend's house, I counted the times she phoned, and visited.
Eight phone calls before the visits started, and then she came over, and then went home, thirteen times. If this is not showing mentally unstable behaviour then what is. This continued until Janine became extremely intoxicated from alcohol, an arguement ensued and I threw her out. She continued returning, wanting to argue and attacking me, so all I could think of was to put the hose on her.
You see, you shouldn't mix alcohol with prescription medication, which Janine has been prescribed by mental health.
But that is ok, because Janine is one of these mentally unstable people who beleives she doesn't need to be on medication.
Janine is bipolar. One of the symptoms of being bipolar is that you tend to be more than a little nasty. Vindictive I would call her, to the point of fabricating lies and continuously attacking me, following me on websites such as forums.altnews.com.au and facebook.
She has attacked me physically more than once, but on this particular occassion, there was a repeated attack, where I pushed her, screaming, punching, kicking and scratching, out the door.

Another night Janine contacted me offering to pay for my taxi to come over to my best friend's house for his birthday party. Against my better judgment I accepted the offer. I try to stay as far away from her as possible.
I had not been feeling the best on this next occassion, my best friends birthday, and as I stand in front of God I promise I had drunk one bottle of beer.
Janine had not brought any beers over, but as per usual, had almost to the point of gluttony, feasted on my best friends beers with voracity, as well as her own supply of bourbon, each time she returned home.
Drunk as she was, Janine still drove down to the bottleshop twice that night, with her six year old son in the car. The second time she smoked up the tyres in front of my best friends house. The thing is, it was my best friends birthday, and most likely his last.
My best mate PO has cancer, and has been in a wheel chair for twenty years after a car accident. I am his main carer, but he lives directly opposite Janine. PO was ringing me all night the night before last because he was stuck on the floor, in his own piss and vomit, and couldn't get up. And I didn't hear my phone. I was more or less living with PO until the continual disruptions from Janine. Now he has noone.

I put in an application for a domestic violence order against her recently, but abstained from following through with it after she assured me she would not phone me and message me continuously anymore. I was not doing it out of spite, but out of desparation. I have been attending counselling for eighteen months since the death of my son. Counselling for grief and trauma. Constantly I bring up her constant barrage of offensive slander to my counsellor, and how severely it effects me.
I recently received a complaint from my cousin 1800km away in Brisbane regarding Janine, who was harassing her. Janine had never met my cousin Amber. She also repeatedly harassed my father. She also sends personal messages to people she has never even met, who are on my friends list on facebook, and people who are members of the Luke's Army Group on facebook.

Janine went back home, several times on this next particular night of my friends birthday, only to return again and again, after I once again threw her out, hurling abuse and repeated physical attacks, until I dragged her outside once more and put the hose on her, as I had done on previous occasions, like you do with rabid dogs who fight.
Janine, with her hardly noticeable mark on her neck where I had held her back, rang the police and cried that I had hit her.
In this type of situation, invariably there will be a swag of police, all fired up and ready to take on some big bad woman basher. I never laid a finger on Janine M White, and I never will. She is a sick woman, but police need to recognise this when dealing with her.
However, there were six police cars. No questions asked, I was placed in handcuffs and taken straight to the police station, my face covered in blood from where Janine had scratched me during her relentless attacks.
The arresting officer talked to the officers who had taken a statement from Janine over the phone, in front of me.
He asked them if there was much injury to her, because I had blood all over my face where she had scratched me. I was driven home by the police later that night, and as they let me out of the back of the paddy wagon, Janine's abusive phone calls resumed.
I put the phone on loud speaker in front of the two police officers who had driven me home, as I pleaded with her that we should cease communication.
She flatly refused and stated that she would continue her harassment and abuse. I asked the policemen to go back and inform the other officers involved in this incident.
I had only changed my phone number, a number I had used for several years, because of Janine's continuos badgering with calls and texts, two months earlier.

She did the same thing to her previous partner, and the one before that. In fact Janine's last partner went to jail for six months because he allegedly would not leave her alone.
They police do not care and have pursued me relentlessy to press charges. Janine informed me about two weeks ago that these officers, from the edmonton police station, had visited her and advised her to lure me to her house, and then contact them, so as to breach my bail conditions.
Janine cannot control her impulses, and still contacts me to this day. I do not know if it is because she is in love with me, or is just a sick puppy.
Only three nights ago my house was surrounded by police, and I was arrested, put in hand cuffs and dragged off to spend the night in the watchhouse without so much as an explanation, a question asked, or a chance to speak.
I was held on charges of breach of bail, because Janine has alleged that I threatened her with text messages. The magistrate could spot these phoney claims a mile off and asked why there were no details of the threats on the phone records.
There were no orders in the bail conditions regarding contact with Janine, and I had been sitting quietly at home.
In truth, Janine has continued to phone me and text me, up until only a couple of days ago. It is part of her mental condition that she must take her anger, anxiety, whatever it is out on a particular individual. She does not do it to everyone, but acts as a predator on her unfortunate chosen victim of her perverted sickness.
I tell you this my friends, because in all honesty, although I promise you have not thrown a punch at either of these women, because of my wild past, there is a chance I may be incarcerated next week.
I have been to jail before, fifteen years ago. It seems since I lost Luke, I have gone off the rails totally. I have lost the will to live, and do not have much interest in anything anymore. I am a broken man, and who better to lay the boot in than the people who dragged my son off screaming, the police. I will submit much of (CMC) and the ombudsman. Beyond that all I can hope is that the presiding judje is unbiased and intelligent, like the one I encountered this last week. That is why they are judges and not police, they are a special breed, I hope.

Lifes misfortunes fall disproportionately on the young.

http://lukesarmy.com/

meagainstdocs's picture

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Mate this story i can relate to i had the exact same problem with my ex she would take out 40 or 50 AVOs in the hope that i went to jail so she could end up with our daughter.Everytime the police turned up in full force its me they took away .Yet the only marks on her was self inflicted by a razor blade to her own arms and neck .It is horible that this crap happens. Now when i go to court to try get custody of my new daughter they say iam a perpetual offender of domestic violence yet not once did i ever touch her.Also it was my house and i had custody of my other daughter by the family law court .The problem is in these cases you do get men that assault women and most of the time the poor women have no one else to turn to.But some women actualy abuse the privaledge of AVOs.In my case the police knew in the end thar she had psychiatric problems and use to take her away to mental hospitals but the problem is they have never fixed up all the bodgie avos she took out so they are still on my record .How can you win ???In my case she was a junkie also had heaps of self abuse to herself had spent hundreds of times in different mental hospitals .Surely in these cercumstanses u would thing the police would realise.Well i believe they did and they turned a blind eye to it .After about 50 times they started to take her away instead of me bit late but because irs all still on my record and im having trouble getting my new daughter because of it.Not only that the EX was diagmosed by a psychitrist as a pathalogical liar that will say and do anything to get her own way ...Ive got all this evidence yet iam still fighting docs and the courts to get my daughter so go figure

Lukes Dad's picture

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This woman should definitely be returned to the mental ward, but she is a nurse at the Cairns Base Hospital, where the mental ward is. She knows all the staff, so unless she shoots someone, she can get away with stalking me as much as she wants. She has the law on her side, and she knows it.
I have copped the blunt end of the stick my whole life, and my son copped shit from the government which cost him his life. I wish they would leave me alone, and I wish Janine White of Jasper street woree, cairns would go dig a hole for herself and die.

Lifes misfortunes fall disproportionately on the young.

http://lukesarmy.com/

Mick's picture

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AVOs are handed out by judges like lollies are to children. I don't think they even read them in many cases. They are only there to force one category of people to comply to demands from another that have some kind of category/group entitlement.

http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/when-an-avo-is-just-a-tactic-in-a-si...

They are intended to protect people but unless the accused person is afraid of paper cuts they do little but encourage people to ignore the courts if the courts are misused by people who claim to have some category entitlement.

http://www.familylawwebguide.com.au/flra/pg/advice_legal_6

They are so common they have tick boxed forms on them so police don't even have to think when writing them. They write anything and tick the boxes so they can get back to tidying up their office. They don't even have to make sense.

In our case the AVO that JIRT took out was internally inconsistent with the text requesting different restrictions than the tick boxes. The judge apparently didn't even read and/or question this and handed down an interim order by just looking at the tick boxes.

I guess he was late for golf.

A week after the interim AVO was granted the JIRT officer secretly told us to ignore it ( as if I would trust her after all their lies and cover ups :). I have told the Police, The NSW Ombudsman and the Police Integrity Commission but no one has bothered to investigate it.

If they don't even care that the same JIRT officers that write AVOs then secretly tell people to ignore them. They must know these bits of paper are not being used as intended.

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Re: Junkies and alcoholics

Well said Mick and BTH.

and Momma, you are very judgemental and unfortunately you speak without much knowledge. I dare say you have a few skeletons in the closet yourself ...

???

momma's picture

Re: Junkies and alcoholics

No skeletons here, I just call a spade a spade. And my passion in life is to work toward a safe, healthy, carefree and happy childhood for all children. I don't give a monkeys about parents who wont' step up to the plate..

It's typical of the mentality of the addict to play the "blame game".
Blame the government, the dealers, DoCS, pharmaceutical companies..blah blah blah ad infinitum..

.. instead of taking a good, long hard look in the MIRROR!

and that's not a judgment, that's the nature of the beast..
Fair call that not all parents unable or unwilling to care for children are substance abusers (to be PC) but let's be real here - the majority are..

my point is... and it's hard to addicts to swallow this (on account of the nature of addiction being in part due to the selfish and self-centredness that is a hallmark of the condition)...

if they won't get clean/sober for themselves, at least they could do it for the kids..

the way to end an addiction? stop feeding it..

Mick's picture

Re: Junkies and alcoholics

Firstly you appear to insist on calling a "spade" a "spade" but seem refuse to call an "addiction" an "addiction" but instead seem to appear to think it is some type of lifestyle choice. You might want to look up the meaning of the word...

Secondly there is a huge difference between playing the "blame game" and apportioning responsibility and accountability. Community "Services" get huge sums of money from the taxpayers. They have no accountability on that money and instead of it going to "services" for the community to help those in need 90% goes elsewhere with almost a third of it going into salaries of people who are well off (oh - BTW: people are not always in need by choice - we would all love to be born with a silver spoon on our mouths). Where are the "community services" I pay for?

If you do stupid things (such as falling off a bike or have a car accident) and break your bones the hospitals don't turn you away and judge you just because you make a wrong choice. Social choices are much harder to make in many cases and people should be supported in making correct life choices rather than criticized for mistakes.

Finally, you don't know what proportion of the people DoCS deal with may be addicts. It cannot be used to justify ignoring those that are not and sweeping them under the carpet like you seem to want to. DoCS should still get it right for us too you know.

Furthermore there is a huge difference between unwilling and unable. DoCS should be helping parents get treatments for their children if the parents are unable to instead of criticizing parents for wanting the best for their children.

It is their job to make judgments based on the welfare of the children.

bringingthemhome's picture

Re: Junkies and alcoholics

Well Momma

You make it quite clear ..that you have nil mercy for the drug addicted or alcohol affected people of this world as in you must think it so simple to cease an addiction, and that there is no real cause to take to drugs & alcohol as blockout to past abuses.

Are you aware of how many CHILDREN in the State Care of NSW are being prescribed drugs ..to our knowledge our Government Dpt ..namely DoCs have over 3,000 children on prescription drugs and the numbers are significantly growing...and these drugs they have them on ..have devastating side affects without the knowlegde of long term damage and use...i would call this alone CHILD ABUSE.

No one wants to see children being neglected by their drug afflicted parents hence what we would like to see is these children being cared for by family and supported by the Dpt to care for their own,,,however this Government Dpt chooses to hand these children over to past abusers of thousands of children re: The Catholic Church makes apologies on a weekly basis on behalf of preists that have sexually abused, beaten and buggarised children for over a century.

Hundreds of children are being abused by carers and once this has been recognised the Dpt covers it up..yes we aware of the many thousands of wonderful carers out there who have their hearts in cariing for children.....BUT ! there are many carers out there in it for monetry value first and foremost and DO abuse these children ...physically ..mentally and emotionally.

I might also inform you that hundreds of children in care of the State of NSW have NEVER been harmed in any way by their parents or families.

Child Protection NSW has become big business for middle/upper class and NGO's to profit from.

FREE THE CHILDREN

momma's picture

Re: Junkies and alcoholics

I find it very hard to believe that

"hundreds of children in care of the State of NSW have NEVER been harmed in any way by their parents or families."

what a load of RUBBISH!!! total exaggeration and rubbish..

pfffttt... from what you're saying, anyone and everyone should be prepared to have their kids taken off them. Crap!! Get real and get yourself connected to reality and the real world cos you're on another planet..

Pest Control's picture

Re: Junkies and alcoholics

Momma, you need to take off those rose color glasses you are wearing

FACT= Children in care is a Billion dollar a year industry here in Australia

FACT= Children in care have exploded in South Australia, Queensland but mostly in NSW (72%)since 2002

FACT= A Not for profit agency formed by Lawyers & Businessmen started off with a few offices in NSW in 2001 and now have over 80 offices around the country 36 of them alone in NSW 16 in South Australia and 10 offices in Queensland(please note that Children in care in these three states has increased) but only have 2 offices in Victoria

FACT= For a business to survive it needs to grow annually

FACT= Victoria, have a decrease in children in care of the past few years

Some NGOs receive 6,000 dollars a week per child(Carorline Overington The Australian 2009) and as much as 15,000 dollars (Sydney morning Herald via a DOcs Whistleblower 2010)

Momma from my experience in dealing with Community Services and have witness first hand in my opinion the corruption of this department , I like so many others have absolutely
come to the conclusion that Community Services and NGOs are nothing but a
Business with the product being Children and are following the Successful CPS child protection services in the United States

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hVr9gLOLBU&feature=related

cathy's picture

All country people liars Ms Burney?

Dear Momma
While I agree that addiction is not a healthy environment for children Im constantly amazed at the forms the spinners take on to try to fool the members.

It pays to be informed before one makes comment, and just as important is to refrain from the passive aggressive tone as such phrases as "I'm sure you'll agree" with the implied threat if you dont you must be a person doing the things the poster complains about. And the other assumption that if you dont subscribe to my world view then "youre on another planet".

Although I share your concern of children being in unsavoury environments one must remember that Justice Pat O'Shane said she wouldn't leave a dog with DoCS and took the child home herself rather than have their soul ravaged by the tactics of those employed to tear families apart.

Surely with this impressive intellect youve demonstrated coupled with your people skills and infinite understanding of the broadness of the issues you wonder why youre so readily exposed as a senior govt employee?

I actually dont drink or do drugs of any kind and fell prey to these monsters attempting to cover up their massive failings of duty of care in a public school. DoCS would rather neglect the child to death than admit their own wrongdoing, this has been proven time and time again.

Also the Minister has come out and stated that 1 in 3 children are at risk. And half of all teenagers. How that adds up is anyone's guess.

If the lefty politics of informing children of their "alleged rights" if they dont get their way with parents- this figure would be small, but that doesnt help the DoCS budget and intellectual giants such as yourself would be on the streets.

Yet in serious cases the child is refused independent legal counsel (according to the Law Society's submission) and every attempt is to "advise the child according to what is in DoCS best interest not the child's".

Im also aware of the ABC Message Stick performance by the Monster er er Minister for DoCS saying that people make things up in country towns.

Ms Burney are you calling all rural people liars or just black rural people? I'd like that clarified please.

Momma
If you allege to call a spade a spade then why not be honest of who you are and where you come from? And how much you are paid to attempt to ram your ill though out opinion down our throats without any clue of the facts contained in your own reports? /rant

Pest Control's picture

Re: All country people liars Ms Burney?

Momma didnt fool me Cathy, along with the other Incompetent dregs that work within the department

Pest Control's picture

Re: All country people liars Ms Burney?

Momma didnt fool me Cathy, along with the other Incompetent dregs that work within the department

Mick's picture

Re: All country people liars Ms Burney?

"I actually dont drink or do drugs of any kind and fell prey to these monsters attempting to cover up their massive failings of duty of care in a public school. DoCS would rather neglect the child to death than admit their own wrongdoing, this has been proven time and time again."

DOCS are definitely more interested in themselves and their image than they are interested in the children. Any organization with a true interest in children would view each and every mistake they make as a chance to learn how to improve their performance.

DOCS does exactly the opposite and goes to extensive lengths to cover up their mistakes. They can, and do, fabricate false evidence during criminal investigations, despite this being illegal, to make members of the public appear to be responsible for their own malfeasance.

Unfortunately the vast majority of the public, who do not know that they do this and are naive enough to believe the sanctioned media releases from the government, have no idea of the corruption behind the scenes.

It is further compounded by government laws specifically designed to cover up the corruption by restricting media exposure under the pretense of the children's welfare.

Apparently media exposure has no effect on the children when the government wants to blame parents of wrongdoing (note how many are reported each week) but when DOCS are dishonest then exposing the corruption and malfeasance is claimed to be disastrous to the children.

What hypocrisy.

bringingthemhome's picture

Re: All country people liars Ms Burney?

Hi Mick

An interesting read for you would be > Neoliberalism and Child Protection . A Deadly Mix . Its on the Free Library by Farlex.

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bringingthemhome's picture

Re: All country people liars Ms Burney?

In other words Mick

A total failure of Government policies for families and children.Re:Inadequate policy guidelines And a total lack of Government monitoring systems to identify deficiencies.

At one stage caseworkers could face up to $20,000 in fines for unethical work practices and abuse of powers......under Gallard & Burney they now now have carte blanc....open slather.

Gallard should be SACKED ! as she oversees it all.

She controls the Culture of secrecy at DoCS/DoHS

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The Pied Piper's picture

Re: Junkies and alcoholics

Momma it is true, many children are taken who have not been hurt and parents are not addicts of any kind.

And yes hundreds of babies taken at birth...? Caseworkers with crystal balls obviously.

Everyone should be prepared to have thier kids taken off them. It happens, it only takes a couple of malicious calls.

I know you want to be comforted and wish to believe the world is a right and just place where only bad things happen to bad people, but the reality of this uncompassionate and cruel system is something many parents here experience every day.

How many of the innocent parents need to have children removed before you decide that maybe you don't know as much as you thought you did about reality or how connected you are and on which planet this is happening?

bringingthemhome's picture

Re: Junkies and alcoholics

Hello Pied Piper

So nice to see you back in the forum !

Your commenting has been greatly missed.

Pj x

FREE THE CHILDREN

bringingthemhome's picture

Re: Junkies and alcoholics

Connected to reality: we most certainly are MOMMA.

Have you never heard of Government Corruption ?

What we have in NSW is a Government Dpt where the heirechy earning HUGE salaries demand that caseworkers/managers/client service managers COVER UP the serious abuses of children in their care that are being abused sexually, physically/emotionally and mentally by their carers and the system itself.

This Government's Community Services Dpt has had numerous calls over the years for a Royal Commission to investigate it's unethical work practices, abuse of powers , corruption , negligence and cover ups.

ARE YOU AWARE MOMMA thar 47 children have DIED in care since JANUARY this year !

AND YES ! There are literally hundreds of CHILDREN being held by DOHS/DoCS NSW that have never been harmed by their parents or grandparents ...SHOCK_HORROR welcome to to REALITY Momma.

The department has paid out millions of dollars as hush money to parents of children that have been wrongfully kidnapped by this dispicable Dpt.

READ the GEORGIA and LUKE case for one, and see what the Judge had to say to these corrupt case workers who removed Georgia and Luke without any justification what so ever.

This Dpt is running a Child Trafficking business worth $$$$ Billions.

FREE THE CHILDREN

bringingthemhome's picture

Re: Junkies and alcoholics

Thank you ausec

The number of people who have been led to believe that the modern day Community Services Dpt/Human Services in NSW is a mere scape goat to parents who have lost their children to this appalling and unethical DPT astounds me.

By the way > where is aussie1275 he/she is late for work AGAIN ! Tut Tut Tut the Dpt will not be happy..........................................................

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concerned's picture

Re: Junkies and alcoholics

Probably out stealing more children and court files!
Probably busy using tax payer funded photo copiers to get more EVIDENCE against any parent who dares to complain and show up this Department for what it is!
An abusive, non caring, neglectful, power crazy, biased,unfair, non caring, totally devoid of love or care PARENT of other people's children!
Failing to protect children from their Approved CARERS!

Stop the Abuse of Power causing major harm to removed children.

bringingthemhome's picture

Re: Junkies and alcoholics

Well spoken Concerned ...here here BRAVO !

I totally agree with each and every one of your spoken words.

Welcome to our forum on the abusive, unethical, immoral and dispicable Government system of DoCS.

Pj x

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