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DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 06/02/2009 - 13:15
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Docs have taken my 3 children, my partners 3 children and our 10 month old baby we have together. We have been falsely accused of domestic abuse in the home. My partner does not hit me or the children. Some of the older children have spoken of this abuse we think hoping to split us up. We knew nothing of this until DOCS came and took the youngest two from me at home. The older five were taken from school. There has been no reports from school about the children. They attend doctors and dentist appointments regulary. Other family members are always involved in the childrens lives. The children have a regular routine. There are no allegations at all regarding neglect. The children have been gone for nearly 4 weeks now. Early next week at court, DOCS are asking for further 28 days to "work with my partner and i"!!! I am 30 weeks pregnant. I am scared they will take this baby too. All 6 older children are with family but our baby is still with foster carers. My two older children will be starting a new school next week. I do not want this to happen. We need help to prevent them getting their further 28 days. Any help or support would be greatly appreciated.

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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 22/02/2014 - 11:37.

I have read enough here to know not many have the right or correct information...Everything with in Australia is legislated and bound by an Act just about, state to state legislation varies no doubt but as far as DOCS legislation goes the core of the act is the dept has an obligation to prove 3 things..1. you are unwilling, 2. you are incapable 3. or you are unable. Armed with this information download the NSW DOCS ACT read, re read and understand it, and all areas that apply to your individual case that the dept are using to make their case in their affidavits, reply contrariwise in a self defending affidavit, stating how neither 3 of the core elements of their act fail to prove this. Any thing that you can see in the act where the dept are failing their up holding of the act from failure of duty of care to the detriment is having on your family emotionally mentally and developmentally state by the act clause and partion number of the act being broken and your enlightenment of how this so...basically the way you beat this people who have less idea of parenting really as they are very young just out of uni no children of their own is to turn their act upon them strongly as it is their job to prove it, which is impossible if you shut each paragraph down by answering to it. Also keep a daily diary of all things the childrens changes your partners and your self's emotions and feelings caused through the daily trauma of separation of your family nucleolus, the good things that occure on contacts the not so good things and the ugly things to...it all ends up displaying a painted picture of normality..all families are imperfect all have issues big and small its how you function and work to over come them, and you need to display it as a clear picture for the judge to rule against the dept...use the time separated painting your family portrait in words and proving the dept wrong each day in small ways which will reward you in big ways, it will keep you strong and willing to strive forward, and remember your partner is your team mate not your enemy as they try to portray...lean on one another don't succumb to their seed planting which do become over grown weeds if not standing together..I hope this enlightens you and you find your way it can at times but from experience it works to the point they won small battles but I won the war...if what you state is true so will you GOOD LUCK!!! Also if your solicitor is not fighting hard with you and just telling you to go with it sack them, I suggest not to use legal aid solicitors go private most will appoint you under legal aid if they see you are just them 3 core factors 1. willing 2.capable and 3 able and showing the fire within you both to prove it.

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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 20/03/2012 - 02:07.

And Lukes father could have gone to tribuanl over lukes placement with the aged carer, and his access visits , he could have many postive as\ctions but he didnt not from the day luke was born
the sad fact is your not taking correct action , and your not gettign correct advice, there is too much negativity and complaining and helplessness on these sites and it is clear why you guys are losing this

and if you have had a letter and it does inform of you rights and 28 days to appeal in tribuanl then you can re open the matter at any time

and i recomend givong kindess and empathy to the workers of docs and taking correct actions and responsibility or this will destroy you

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Submitted by Alecomm staff (not verified) on Tue, 28/01/2014 - 10:01.

hi there im just wondering where you''re getting your rubbish ideas from. It doesnt matter where u currently go regarding the deaprtment, as it will be ignroed and covered up as usual. Ombudsman doesnt do his job. Minister DoCS dont do theirs. and docs workers lie through their teeth and get away with it. you have no clue what youre saying and it sounds like you sure dont belong here because you are trying to tell us different to what we have experienced first hand. be gone troll.

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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 20/03/2012 - 02:00.

I have read other peopels stories here and the fasct is at the time you get a reduced access visit or a placement changes you have the right to go to tribunal and the fact is it is on the letter usually and you have 28 days to appeal the change in access and take action and you dont a need solicitor, so some of you are just not steppign up and they expect you too, if you allow your self to be pushed out then that means something , you get take action , correct action, not fight or complain, be loving ,but take action

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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 20/03/2012 - 01:48.

You cant stop them from gettin ghe 28 days , in fact you cant stop them from doing anything, what you can do is surrender and think positive and not take a negative downward spiral, dont fight them on the 28 days, work with them during the 28 days.... Now if they get the extension for 28 days and dont work with you then you have some grounds next court date and you will prove wrong doing and false sstuff in court if that is case by RECORD RECORD RECORD and hopefully they will work with you but they will not attempt to work with anyone who fights them on anything, you msut support them on everythign and RECORD RECORD RECORD so if they are lying to the court and to you you can one day prove it

love and kindness and finding god is about all you have got to get thru this , you must beleive and only allow love to flow thu you or you will end up a basket case

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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 20/03/2012 - 02:12.

do not ley yhem know your recording, it is only legal if it is for certain interactions, keep it as evidence to your hionesty only for the people helping you to refer too and it does help to make the recordings known at tribunal, the recordings normally prove breeches in legislaion and of course your kindness love and honesty
if you want to cure something you peceive as bad then love it and love it and be kind to it and you will win, tand taking correct action verses incorrect acion is what it is

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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 20/03/2012 - 02:17.

I had my tubes tied after two children and my husband had a vasectomy double whamy, but we didnt lose our children, and thatmay give you people a clue, it allowed us to dedicate our time resources and efforts to curing ourselves so we could take responsibility for the ones we have got and i cant beleive some of you are pregant and planning more babies ........ I am not on your side folks, my grandson is in care and it is aresult of the parents drug abuse, and I am taking him and i can guarantee they wont steralise themselves or see the truh in this , they are not blaming they are releived there son is in good hands and yet neither of them are in re hab....... WTF people, you haven got your kids a clear cut reason and its not your faualt but your not \even open to seeing why and doing something about it ........

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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 20/03/2012 - 01:42.

The only grounds you have is having the baby placed with family and why isnt the baby with family, and they probably have a good reason to take the burden of the family members with the other children

it takes normally a year or more to sort all this out, so my advice is go with it co operate if the ruling is work with the parents then you have won this it is just time now and work with them and get support so your at your best maybe the shool read too much into something , maybe the kids just need therapy and are indeed affected by the step g\family situation more than you could know and that is an issue and it may get sorted , work with them and don tpay to much attention to this site, it affected me badly and had me worried , you got alot fo kids perhaps there needs have been overlooked and while this is extreme perhaps it is a blessing n disguise and you can refocus and move on from this point with assistance be co-operative and work with everyone including the school and being thankfull is a better feeling inside your body than any negative stuff this site will infect you with

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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 20/03/2012 - 01:10.

I am a grandparent and problems with docs with regards to kinshio care and i followe adivice I got on here , and that was RECORD RECORD RECORD, wioth a tape recorder , everything hours of it, legislation is your only friend and you need to learn it, no one can help you, but you, be patient, be kind be nice to the workers in spite of everythign and you are RECORDING every word every phone call everyhing, and it si only gettng this to TRIBUNAL that you have any power, the magistrate court will not and under law does not have any power except to follow child safetey advice and your only proceedure in the magistrate court is to lose and on a legislative fact APPEAL if you have grounds you will win.

you must get to tribunal and make sure your Recorder can be loaded onto a computer and copies made and do put forward your intention to provide a LIE DETECTOR TEST, and a full private phycological test by a govt approved person full total about 1700, cheaper than legals you have to get the truth to tribunal, and there are only certain things that can get you there so look at how you can do that

the truth does win and if your decent as i am and truthfull and can stand the test you will win but it wil take time,
most solicitors dont have a clue wander around court first and find the one who is wlaking iout with the kids that is my advice

i worked out it ist he sytem not he workers they just really are badly affected in these types of situations beleive me give them love and empathy and kindness in spite of what they are doing and it will be ok
of course if you nedd to be a fit approriate person to have the children in the first place

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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 20/03/2012 - 01:18.

Those docs workers are so beautifull now they can work with me not against me and i can see they never wanted to o in the first place , they are only the front line messengers from a dept we will never understand the complexities of and they do what they are told to do and that is why this is world wide front line treament and complaint, so understand be good to them they dont last long doign this and it does afrfect them also that was my biggest defence the over worked stressed workers and the obvious affects

Kindnes sin the face of hostiltiy and pain is required to look after unruly children so treat the workers as unruly mixed up kids and give them love acceptance and your blessings and RECORD RECORD RECORD you dont need the 1700 just put \it forward and I am sure it will all get settled
you have got to get to tribunal
sad to say some people will lose sheerley becsude of low funds and inability to learn the ropes and that is an injusticed also as amny character references as you can ,but dont waste time or energy on the docs workers get it into a tribunal somwhow or find that solcitiro winning anf give her or him your stuff but it is key facts of legislation that open the door and nothing else matters here

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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 19/03/2012 - 06:48.

My 2 boys were taken from me 5 years ago due to my alcoholism I'm so much better now as I was diagnosed with bipolar 2 And abit years ago and was prescribed with medication and it's amazing how my life has turned around. Now 5 years on my boys are living with my parents and I spend time with them on a weekly basis and attend all important events birthdays Christmas Easter soccer games karate etc., I've been with a new partner now for about a year and a half and now And looking at starting a family but am so scared docs are gonna take this one too. Can they without any reports? Any advice or comments would be much appreciated :-)

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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 20/03/2012 - 01:24.

Focus on the ones you have got , what do mean start a family, you did that and this only extending that family, you are not thinking clearly or rationaly and how you rhink you are starting a family when your kids have been thu hell is beyond me, you are selfish and undeserving and unfit to think you could possibly be staring a fmaily all your going to do is extend the dysfucntion fo your existing children by giving them half brothers and sisters and actually beleive that this is about you and what you want , your not OK

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Submitted by downdocs on Fri, 17/02/2012 - 16:42.

Help, my 2 yr old child got the final orders to be with her paternal grands until she is 18, Tell me how to get her back? as i go really bad false "parenting assessment" report that cant be send to the magistrate. Is there any law and humane left? pls help....

A single mum without my child bk under my care..due to Docs removal of my baby and their false accusations and report. I need justice. I want my child bk...pls expose DOCS and speak out on behalf of all OZ lost abused children!

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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 20/03/2012 - 01:32.

Get three or four good parenting assessments ........ prove it to be false

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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 17/02/2012 - 16:55.

Contact NCPA this is a group of people all in the same boat we are getting together to fight this. This is child abuse we need to all stand together to get noticed. Nobody believes this can be happening. Ph 0414768255

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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 14/02/2012 - 23:25.

We are currently in the same position tho my children, thanku jesus, are still with me, but im scared beyond belief. Allegations were made by a social worker after my son was born 4 mths ago, she told docs that amphetamines were found in mine and my sons urines, this is b.s as i do not touch drugs now, used to more than 6yrs ago and as a result have been on methadone to stabilise. I believe this is why i was targeted, they have since unstabilised me by cancelling scripts and asking that i attend a public clinic to my detriment, they haven't got a clue, they want to look like they are doing their job yet never investigate the initial claims and complaints which bought us to their attention, Isn't that their job, to investigate? I hope and pray that good people get the results they deserve and that those damaging their children be the focus.

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Submitted by sharon Holland (not verified) on Mon, 05/12/2011 - 22:37.

I see this was 3 years ago so it looks pretty bad!

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Submitted by bringingthemhome on Sun, 04/12/2011 - 22:25.
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DoCS NSW or FACS NSW as they are now known operate on ASSUMPTION...no proof needed to destroy Families.

Their FALSE ACCUSATIONS regarding the removal of your children will bring their Department along with their NGO's around $42,000 ( $6,000 per week per child ) a week in financial incentives and will also assist in middle and upper class employement numbers.re: Feed the Blood Sucking Parasites who work within and alongside this corrupt Dpt.

There is no point in enduring their rigged up Childrens Court proceedings that they will adjorn for long enough to claim that all your children are now settled in their new placements, and then do dirty deals with your legal aid Solicitors who go behind your backs and support the false accusations that have been made.

Do not waste precious time becoming traumatised and depressed by their vicious evil lies ....what you and your partner need to do is get yourselves two comfortable chairs and a plaquard that states...this dispicable department has Stolen all your children to use them as cash cows for the Dpts financial incentives programme they are running right across NSW. Take your chairs and plaquards and sit outside Pru Gowards offices in Goulburn or outside your DoCs CSC office and refuse to move until your children are returned to their rightful place in life.

If you wait too long....they will divide your children into various carers homes and sign them over to various NGO's , leaving you with no other choice than to fight in the courts for years, break you mentally, victimise you, bully you, and persecute you to the fullest degree.

I wish there was a much more humane solution to your living nightmare ....but unfortunately DoCs NSW are repeating the Dirty History of The Forgotten Australians/Child Migrants/ Stolen Generation and Forced Adoptions of the 50's 60's and 70's.

Your only hope is too PROTEST and PROTEST ...LOUD & CLEAR until Politicians stop the theft of another STOLEN GENERATION.

Be Brave and Strong and do not succumb to their life destroying tactics.

FREE THE CHILDREN

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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 04/02/2012 - 07:35.

Contact 0414768255 National Child Protection Alliance we are a group of parents who are facing or have faced the same. Join the fight against government sanctioned child abuse.

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Submitted by brokenheartedtheytookmy5 (not verified) on Mon, 05/12/2011 - 14:30.

I have the same problem here in QLD only I have been a sufferer of depression for nearly 15 years my doctor changed my medication that didnt work well on me ending in a phsycotic eppisode my husband took our kids away from harm as a good father would but no someone phoned the police on me and by the next afternoon we lost all five of our kidsno they want a 2 yr order Im now stable on my meds well as stable as a mother can be with depression in the absents of her kids my baby was only 8 weeks old and as only a parent knows theres a bond that takes more than 8 weeks to form with an infant child that has been stolen of me with the other 4 children...............

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Submitted by Loving Parent Unfairly Targeted (not verified) on Wed, 07/03/2012 - 15:28.

DCP (Dept of child protection) as they are called in WA are also trying to do this to me, requesting my medical history from the Drs that I take the children to, which I'm pretty sure is illegal, though will have to check with my lawyer about. Basically the best thing you can do in your situation is get a good lawyer, you can ring around private lawyers and see who is willing to accept a legal aid grant (meaning legal aid pays their fees instead of appointing you some young kid straight out of law school with little to no experience) get yourself under the care of a counsellor/psychologist/psychiatrist so you can prove to the dept that you are getting help for your depression, and also get an assessment written up from your doctor saying that you are stable on the medication you are on, and that you are making progress. It might also help to get some family, friends and community contacts such as people from church (if you go to church) to write statements saying that they have seen an overall improvement in your mood. Best of luck!

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Submitted by Jason Lewis Victim. (not verified) on Sun, 04/12/2011 - 01:03.

When you get to court provide family photo's. as many as you can. Make sure they mostly show happyness but don;t be scared to show some of the kids having a tantrum. Try to explain to the Magestrate that the children re still adjusting to your new relationship. Ask the courts to allow you perental responsability in the interim as you don't want the children to be TRAUMATISED any further. Take school reports merit, awards and character references to show that you are indeed Decent members of the community. Speak confidently and accuratly. This is a crucial piont of your case and you need to put your Emotions aside and concentrate. If you can achieve your children's return now in the interim then they dont got a hope of winning in the long run. I wish you all the best but it comes down to your home work. I truly feel for you and i would like to guide you, I represent myself now because now i can speak my mind and call a spade a spade, call me if you like between 11:45am and after 4pm week days. Id be happy to offer my experience. 0415784161 Jason lewis.

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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 21/11/2011 - 07:12.

Hi I'm a mother of 8 children who are under DOCS care due to a house that I know was extremly unclean i made that mistake but have changed that My oldest 4 children have been with DOCS for 4 years now they were at the time 3 years old which is my son Richard, 2 years old my Daughter Arizona, 1 years old my son William and 8 weeks old my youngest daughter Anastrianna. One of the reasons they say they took my kids was the state in which the house was i do not denine that the house was bad I had just moved in had boxes every where and the local kids in my area were stealing my wheelie bins so couldn't put rubbish out all the time this was my mistake not my kids i have changed what i do now but at the time i was abit overwhelmed by everything and didn't know about support groups that can help u with this the other thing they were say was that my 8 weeks old hadn't been feed for 2 weeks which is untrue she stopped wanting a milk bottle for 1 day due to her not liking the formula that i was giving her so took her the community health centre to get advice they told me go to my local Gp and ask them which what i did and he told my to change her formula over i did that so they rang Docs saying that i didn't come back for an appointment to help the problem. Three of my children were taken from me straight from the hospital after they were born because apparently they were in danger which isn't true i would never hurt my children they are my life and my youngest two which are twin boys born 11 months ago were taken from the hospital two months after they were born due to the fact they were premature and one was sick their reasons for taken them was they were in danger again and they were afraid i was going to take them from the hospital early which would never happen because they needed to be in their my children are with great carers i have no complaints about them but when your children ask you if they can come home and all you can say is no and it breaks my heart to see them cry everytime i leave them. During all this my partner and i have tried to do what we can to our kids happy when we see them now when the older kids were first taken my partner and had split because of financial difficulties we were still in love with each other and trying to work things out which we did. all i want is to have my children back so we can get on with our lives and be a happy family again. When it first went to court the ordered Docs to help us Financially and to help us get into a routine which they did not and we went and saw a court appointed clinician who said that the children should be returned to us immediately with help from docs for 1 year but hat never happened either but Docs excuse was they need to do it on their own. They never told us what they wanted us to do we did do it on our own but what we did wasn't good enough for them. So all i want now is to fight hard to get my beautiful babies back.

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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 28/11/2011 - 22:24.

Sorry to heard what you and your family are going through.
My advice is keep a diary of ALL communication with docs time, date, what the conversation was about.
Dont believe one word that comes out of their mouth. Keep copies of everything they put in writting and many a time before i have been bullied into agreeing to something that i should not have.

Whatever their complaint about you is do everything to try to Prove the oppisite, by law they have to have a case plan, and the best advice i can give you that helped me extremely was to apply To Freedom of Information for a copy of your childrens file from them as you are the parents you are entitled to a copy though it does cost and it is LIMITED to a certain amount of work for a certain amount of hours.
i think 2005 i paid something like $ 20- $45. and got 19 hours of work from them.. and they only give u certian info.

i went through like 4 solicitors during my fight, DON't be afraid to bombard them with questions about docs (good way to see what side they are on) and if you are on the north coast nsw you will find it hard to find an unbiast solicitor but they are out there.

if you need to contact me i am on facebook janinecooperwright
or facebook Lukesarmy

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Submitted by t.s. (not verified) on Thu, 12/01/2012 - 01:20.

i have been reading alot of negitive reports about north coast esp. coff harbour well im from bowral and our local magistrate Mr Walker apparently moved to coffs. i think he well still be at the job up there. I had him for my court case and he is a very resonable man i beleive he has begun to accknowlede the bad behaviour of docs he might be worth checking out and maybe persuaded to move to our side somehow. god knows bowral docs have spat at his court orders many times weather he knows about it or not and no doubt he would be aware of this he has many times in my court case ridiculed docs for the way they handled things and their unresonable perposals. but he can not accept a fight with docs in a court case.to fight docs is a different court case altogether. and no i dont have my children back but i do beleive if Mr Walker was the residing magistrate at my section 90 A i would have some sort of fair fighting chance. all i can say i hope the next one will be copassionate and smart enough to see through their corupt ways

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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 04/02/2012 - 12:45.

WOW DOCS really are a law unto themselves,the caseworker is as bad as the mum is, she says they are her children now and what she says goes,caseworker says mum is the sanest person she ever met and the relatives of mum are the problem, well the relies didnt molest and bash the child mum and boyfriend did, mum by the way was diagnosed schiophrenic 10 years ago with a possible tendancy to bipolar, got called phsycotic by the headmaster when she was expelled from her 4th school, now docs have returned her daughter to mum and boyfriend saying its in the childs best interest, child then runs away all the time and if reported missing (but isnt always) police will return her home, she went to docs to ask for helf, no mean feat for a 9 year old and I heard her case worker say I dont care what happens to you, I will always leave you on the street, then told me if I put her in my car and take her home she will have me charged with kidmapping and take my 2 children away , I am her auntie and at her age she should not be on the street till after midnight, shoplifting everywhere she goes, police say their hands are tied as docs have power over them, about time docs lost their power over people if they dont care about the kids.How many need to die or suicide because of docs incompetence.

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Submitted by Kath on Thu, 12/01/2012 - 09:19.

Hi t.s.

I have heard that Bowral is a lovely place, a bit cold but quite nice.
Thanks for talking about your ideas and opinions here. It is so important for us to be heard and we need a much wider audience. I do believe this will happen as more people climb on board and escape the torment that has been inflicted on us.

I myself am not happy with the Coffs Harbour office of DoCS and I feel as an an Australian citizen I should have the right to come right out and say it.

As far as magestrates and lawyers go, once you have a DoCS matter and you are foaming at the mouth from the false accussations of DoCS, and you have been attacked by numerous other agencies whilst feeling traumatised, there is no recourse for us. DoCS are a law unto themselves and no one in legal circles really wants to step up to the plate and have a bat.

What we are dealing with here is people in complex trauma who have had to say the least, and I quote John Skene "a very hard life". (He is just the partner of a woman who has lost her kids to DoCS and walking around like the rest of us, in a dream state half of the time, thinking were is my baby?)Make no bones about it, we have all been affected by them, and if you are not affected by DoCS involvement in your life then you should be worried there is really something wrong with you.

DoCS are compassionateless, cruel, vindictive, and do not offer support at the time it is needed. They are judgemental and choose what they will do and speak with legals and paraprofessionals and the higher order behind closed doors, the decision gets made in consult behind your back, then is enacted out in the courts. Like all court cases.

In Good Faith

What can I say anymore...

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Submitted by Razz (not verified) on Tue, 15/11/2011 - 17:18.
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Hi there,
I was falsley accused of touching a little girl so i got my ass on the net and found the best polygrapher in Australia...His name is Gavin Wilson....He gave me my life back, and if you are innocent wich i think you are! Then call this man.....He will prove it for you!!!!
I wish you the best of luck!

Razz

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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 28/11/2011 - 22:25.

Hi There could you please post more info on Gavin Wilson and how to contact him
Thanks

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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 16/09/2011 - 14:19.

please alcom name & shame the bitches,bastards & arseholes who use docs as a weapon against people they have a problem with,they want you to make the choices they'd make & if you don't they call docs,no matter they hurt your kids these people are parasitic & to make things so much worse they put up their hands to be familiar carers.well bitches,bastards,arseholes.docs didn't take my girl but if they did you'd loseyours because i'd protect my kids at the expense of yours,you are mentally,emotionally unwell,addicted to over the counter meds,so bitch leave my girl & me alone,don't walk past my house,don't prank my phones

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Submitted by Ian Troy (not verified) on Thu, 15/09/2011 - 15:59.

I have found out that all children in Australia have been taken by DOCS by using the Lawyer for docs and making that same Lawyer for the child or children Lawyer before the main trial this is conflict of interest.That makes every child taken by Docs has been illegal and this has been going on for decades.It does happen because it happen to me in your case with docs in 2008 aaand stopped in November when I said I was going public.I hate docs and so should every living been because all docs are garage or worse. Ian

Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by lindsie (not verified) on Thu, 15/09/2011 - 00:12.

my partner's D&A councillor gave him the NSW Ombudsman "report under section 13 of the community services (complaints, reveiws and monitoring)Act 1993" review of children on statutory care orders with a view to restoration APRIL 2011, its very interesting: Google search: NSW OMBUDSMAN APRIL 2011 REPORT SECTION 13, have a read and let me know what you think it helped me see how DOCS should be doing things and confront my case worker

Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 15/11/2011 - 18:22.

I made a complaint about yhe case worker and her superior and how they were handling my granchildrens case, it was refered back to those people to handle a complaint about themselves hmm. s the abuse was so severe and the children so damaged they need mental health counceling 4 yimes a week and a 9 and 7 year old are now on antidepressants 4 times daily as they are hurting thenselves and saying they want to die, why then did the caseworker, who is related to mother go back to court after the jude removed them untill they turn 18, and have the avo removed so the mum and boyfriend , who is not the dad so they can have unrestricted weekly visits said its in the childrens best interest as mum has had 2 more babies in 2 years, mental health said these children can not be housed in a home with other children as they have become a danger to others now case worker says judge was wrong to remove those poor battered bodies and that it was all the granparents fault and cut off our access as the will be back with mum and boyfriend soon, by the way school and neighbours called police as mum would not let us see them as we voiced discust at them only being fed 1 time daily.how can they survive.

Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 14/09/2011 - 06:42.

don't piss off friends,family or "JAYE"or you'll end up being hassled by docs,,cops,whoever,yes JAYE called docs on her niece,she called the cops,dept of immigration on her niece's father all this mind you,when confronted by her sister denied it flatly but brags about it here.she hasn't seen her niece,in over 5 years,farhad is a citizen,yes he's muslim,is he violent,nah,her sister & niece attend church,her niece is mildly autistic with other disorders"JAYE"doesn't know that every single person comments on how happy this beautiful little girl is,this little girl could very well have been a new "ËMILY"HAD her loving aunty 'JAYE "had her way.at her 6th birthday this YEAR there were 17 adults & kids,jaye's niece sees therapists for physio,speech,behaviour,occupational therapists,at school & hospital,she is often undressed to her undies for deep tissue massages,any hint of abuse would soon be noticed by medical professionals.jaye hasn't written or made 1 call or seen burnside for nearly 2 years,wrote to local papers regarding homelessnesss but didn't tell truth that she refused to attend meetings at housing commisson,refused to gve up animals so couldn't stay at a refuge & this irresponsible toxic sub species of human wanted docs to take her niece & possibly give her custody,jaye has no credibility,no integrity,she didn't get this money she expected & hid rather than say she hadn't gotten it,well she always did expect that she was owed something

Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by ann (not verified) on Thu, 01/09/2011 - 15:52.

im a mother of 6 children my children where taken 2 years ago ,i took the blame for my ex partner hitting my children i regret doing this i done 2 months in jail 12 months paroll my mother told them it was out of character for my daughter to hert her kids they didnt listen . my vistis have gone from 2 weeks for 1 hour to once a month for 4 hours in march this year they went to 3 monthly visits for 2 hours they told my that the changed my visits to once every 3 months because the kids where misbehaving when they went back to the carers doesnt that tell you they want to be home with their mother . i mave met a new partner we are getting married and docs wont let him meet my children we just want my kids home he is very suportive we are willing to suport your case HERE IN NEWCASTLE FORSHORE ON THE 22ND OF SEPTEMBER AT 12-2PM WE WANT AS MANY AS WE CAN HERE TO SUPORT US AND OTHER CASES THAT docs have taken kids from the wrong familys and we want many suporters fighting for our case as well as other cases the goverment neeeds to change the system and we you need your suport WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THE NEW STOLEN GENERATION

Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 24/08/2011 - 14:48.

Does anyone know if a child who is in care can return home prior to their 18th (just months prior). Docs kept telling us they could return home as long as that was what the child wanted and 4 years on the now young adult who has admitted to lying about the abuse wants to come home and has done for some time and has been refused..So confused.Why is it they only listen to my child when they get what they want out of it.

Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 07/02/2012 - 01:07.

Ur child can self place anytime they're strong enough to tell docs to fck off. After age 10 they can apply to the CEO of DoCS to abandon the order anyway.

Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by Kath (not verified) on Tue, 13/09/2011 - 21:31.

yeah kids can do what they want after they turn 12. When your baby comes home be prepared life is a roller coaster, I have my beautiful little pathological liar home now, i know that sounds nasty but well its true, some days she has bashed me up then she loves me again its all mummy, i asked docs to help they rang the JIRT squad who came and traumatised us saying oh how much they wanna help, but then refused to because an underaged child has been threatened if she dobs in the family she was amongst. So she wont sign a statement about the abuse, the lady at Grafton family support service in the pullens building told me to kick her out, she works with teenagers to save families...haha!!! mental health said ring the coppers when she threatens you or the mental health access line which is basically ringing the coppers, which is what docs do when you get the shits and yell at them for taking your kids. So as I was saying the other day I havent seen little Gracie for almost two years, since Heidi Payne and her manager Deb Cornel sat smugly in the Coffs Harbour District court I swear if they had guns they wouldve shot me. There was others from that DOCS office involved as well and they even bought a token Aboriginal worker with them at times, hows that hey brothers involved in the next stolen generation, but what they did was hand my 14 year old to drug dealers and pedophiles and give Gracie back to the man who belted this kid up, after Magestrate Evans gave her back after seeing the photos of my young children after they were hit. the sickest thing is JIRT and docs who JIRT sent to view the photos, well Heidi and Deb actually, looked at one photo on my computer and enlarged the naked bottom to see if any, well you know, could be seen. When all they saw was evidence of physical abuse, ie welts on a naked bum, they did nothing to the abuser and senior police said that it doesnt matter if people hit their kids, they disregarded the whole photography of it, which to psycho me seems a little bit sick. But well the thing is kids can go home when they turn 12 and believe me ive rang everyone you can think of to complain, they say oh well go ring life line.....the biggest insult is that I even contacted Michael Daley because I thought he is the head of police he has to do something, er,,,wrong,,,,again,,,,,head of Coffs Clarence Sgt Holohan loves to say how wonderful he and his force are but to me he said my claims were not made in good faith and nothing will ever be done about them. I was left homeless and told to leave Dorrigo, when I asked where shall I go (and my son whos 18 now) to the cops they said who cares where you go. I can only say as I read here, I've got a letter from that Gallard woman too, and even from oh so precious Burnie, who said on "insight" SBS that she had been removed from her parents and had no identity until, i think 27 years of age, so no need to ask whats her problem? I can only say I wont vote and ask you all to do the same, political prisoners like Nelson Mandella changed the world, i have recieved my first notice that i didnt vote. My mum is dying she will never see her youngest grandchild again not only have the cops, docs, mental health and the rest of the services stuffed mine and my kids lives, they did this after i just saved mums life but all this time shes been dying, 82 years old family torn to shreds, and her youngest child left a babbling mess. You bring your babies home, life ends one day and were all heading to that same place, you only get this small time to be together, hassle that AUST.INSTITUTE OF FAMILY STUDIES bombard the ministers with emails these people are getting paid to help Australians and instead they destroy us. My eldest child is 21 in just 7 days, i rang her tonight and she was looking at photos of Gracie and the family and crying, what can you do to mend the broken hearted? This girl here she can blame and hit me all she likes I wont be ringing no cops or asking for any more help because i know now who they act for and it was never the victims at least while shes here theres no drugs, no pedophiles, and she has a right to be angry and depressed because this world cares about money not children and if you have money you would not be posting on this site because you'd have your babies. docs are the abusers, and denigraters of parents which is against the family law act, and runaways have all the power which is soon gone once they are faced with real abuse. Go and get your child and tell docs to call the cops, when they come get your child to say docs failed in their duty of care and she/he wants to be with mum.....the cops dont care, not even the JIRT squad, you'll be ok.......at 18 almost they made all the money they can off you the next step for runaways is the jail system, I certainly dont want my babies going there from the shit life docs pasted us as having, i love my babies and the people who made this site and write here obviously do to. i did get one lady on the docs helpline who listened and said it sounds like no one has listened to you and well meaning wrote the report that sent the JIRT squad so i do want to believe there are people in there who get it and know what is happening and can act to change systemic abuse. if i could start a universal message within all this hurt and pain and grief it would be to those whove been abused and are being abused again by the systems...its not your fault, no matter what they say and write about you as a mum or a dad, if you've loved your children, they will know live long enough and well enough so they can come back to you one day, never loose that hope no matter what they say........its harder to deal with the damage done than the pain now. LOVE K

Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 20/03/2012 - 02:51.

my family is idigenous and you have to be positive and accept the pain and suffering as an equal part of happiness and joy it i\s th enegativity that robs you and takes you down, nothing has to change except you bleeivign and beign positive and lioving and that is it, if you hang on to injustice tha tis all you will see and you will get, on he day you are born the only thing for sure is you will die , why is it so bad, you can hate or you can love you choose no one else, you can see the good days in your life or you can choose to see the bad you choose no one else........

let your dasughter see you loving and leading her thru this pain and directing her to feel good and postive about life, does she lie becusase she fears you r reactions

look at you how clever and skilled to type the above , shake off the evil negative trappings of life and take on the glow of the angel you knwo is waiting to jump out and hug and love and empower your daughter your mum has had a very long life for am idigneous woman that is amazing the women here die in their 40's what is your secret, ,

all you need is to see the value and enjopy what you have and stop complaining about what you have lsot and if your cpmplain about death then birth should never happen sjhould it...... hope you get what i am saying only let soothing words come out of your mouth gentle positive ones

and the tibetan book of the living and dead will help you clearly I can see how smart you are and how bogged down with the bad suff you are and this will help it really will, think og the belssings you have
mother lived to 82 we are all dying, your daughter is home so many thing s to be happy about and you have turned it into am isery no wonder your dasughter is fkd up , your all telling her she is , its what comes out of your mouths becomes real and i knwo you dont know this yet and you have o teach this to every one

Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 20/03/2012 - 02:34.

your not handling this properly at all and your daughter is acting out ans\d you need help and you are correct money and correct actions and good parenting skills win the day, and you have your daughter back as a parent you have let her down, step up and let herbe the child and stop acting like a kid and get your daughter help and take repsonsibility and stop doing this to this child,

I can see why you people dont haveyour kids and how hard it is for he docs workers, becuase you dont knwo what is good parening or what is abuse this is highlky abusive behaviour towards your daughter and your blaming others and you cant she is home heal her and help her stop it now

get help its not your fault if you get help but if sit and blame you get no where and it becomes your fault

all kids want their parens no matter how bad they are , so al;l parents shpuld honor hat and do something for thier children

Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by bexta73 (not verified) on Mon, 29/08/2011 - 23:02.

Any child in care can Legally Go Home at the age of 12 years ....
Thanks to The Wood Inquiry 2009 & implemented in 2010.

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Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by bringingthemhome on Fri, 26/08/2011 - 02:34.

They do this because it suits their cause.

The Childrens Charter of Rights states that a Child in care can choose who they want to see and live with.

Recent reports on DoCs say that Children in care do not have a voice as in no one at DoCS is listening to what the children are saying.

Confusion reigns...corruption, hypocrosy, unethical standards and immoral attitudes reign even higher at DoCS.

Protest along with hundreds of others on the 22nd of September at the Parramatta Childrens Court. Listen to the horror stories of others who have had their children STOLEN and have also been Victimised...Bullied ...Persecuted in inhumane manners by this out of control Dpt that shows not an ounce of TRANSPARENCY, ACCOUNTABILITY nor humanity.

FREE THE CHILDREN

Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by Louise1978 on Thu, 07/04/2011 - 20:09.

I hate DOCS.They are crazy retards who lie about everything.Nobody can ever win against them.I wish somebody could stop them.They ruin so many lives.They don't trust anyone and think everybody else is bad when really they are the evil ones who love destroying families.

Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by Keith 1996 Coffs Harbour (not verified) on Wed, 02/11/2011 - 23:46.

DOCS are dogs!!

Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by Kath (not verified) on Fri, 09/09/2011 - 10:25.

me too. i hate DOCS too, i hate Australia because it is no longer the country i grew up in. i will never vote for any politician again because DOCS took my baby from the Kindergarten room in the Dorrigo Primary School from her 19 year old sisters arms after a bunch of teenagers bashed me in the street. i told the police who had to come to the hospital as i was bruised and bleeding, i begged for help only to be told i was a borderline ie; a parasite on the community, mental health, family support workers, multiple police officers, docs officers, then the ministers, Burnie, McKay, Gillard, Rudd, Stoner, Hartsuker, just to name a few oh and the Aus. Inst. of Family Studies. There was an Advocate used in the courts because I no longer was aloud any right to say anything, the solicitor was instructed to say what the Advocate told her, a clinical psychologist was flown in along with the Advocate. They said I agreed to give my child to her father, who tormented and bashed me and my older children. His new partner who is now my daughters mother works for Barnadoes and he works for federal govt. It is almost two years now, I saw her in the street at Grafton but knew the police would be called if I approached her, she went by in the car looking out at me, looking for me, my grief and pain are beyond any psychologists help and they are on the side of DOCS anyway so basically there is no point we are seen as scum, DO NOT VOTE ANY MORE!!!!! CREATE POLITICAL UNREST. How many of you get on to the media....NONE. Now I have the 17 year old back at home who caused much of the problem running of from bullying at the Dorrigo High School, living with drug dealers who took AVO'S against me when I became upset that they took my daughter, she's had two years of dope and speed. In those two years I gave all my personal information to police, DOCS, mental health seeking help and safety for my children, there is no social service anymore here, it is all about the workers in the industry, DOCS are higher than the local, state, and federal courts and take no responsibility. You have no rights when a child is taken you just get the damaged goods returned years later, if you can survive the pain. Just dont vote anymore this country has lost its people anyway. Most important dont yell at the DOCS workers and try not to show any emotions...what a joke they've taken your babies!!!!!
Unconditional love to all those who are hurting and grieving their losses.

Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 13/09/2011 - 18:12.

Dear Kath,
My case was 1998 with grafton docs....i have my three daughters home after a decade of abuse and neglect they ripped my life apart and destroyed everything for my daughters,, i was an addict of nine months a child of qld system from a middle class family state ward for 5 years... I rang 1997 after i took my daughter to the doctor after an access, he advised me to stop access and report to docs 2.1997 they came out started us on counselling then closed the case 10. 1997. they sent me a letter if i ever needed respite to contact docs..... When i was in care i went through every foster home and never had caarers that where bad ,,, the ones my girls where put with march 1998 ...... I have ten files of evidence been sent back to me from shine lawyers ...... So no i do not believe they can be taken down unlees key corrupt are taken out........unfortunately not even parliement want to do anything just look at lukes army..... I had the same treatment from parliement it makes my blood boil that they do not care.... Enough to do something,,,,,, i showed them my evidence to say sorry for what we had gone through and how horrific but no charges laid on proven illegal activity............sometimes i think that a major like suicide bomber but then they would only get lost in world terissiom and not child stealing and mass corruption just cause they have the so called creditabily what the shut their home doors so tightly their skelitons dont fall out????? Think again:......... They have this mob mentality..... Technically a mob is a group of people who believe in the same thing..... This is their framework and behind door meetings of how to assess clients and what box to put them in ....and bye the way we are all liers.........

Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 20/03/2012 - 03:14.

Again someone who fails to address that addiction caused the problem and still don see it so that is ehy it took so long , addicts expec everyone else to be in denial with you and they are not, and being an addict does put your children at risk and they do get abused and that is cause addcits dont protex\ct thier children and neiher does docs that is a fact but they are the only option and I am not blaing anyone for being an addict, but perhaps the reason i never took drugs in the first place was to not take the risk of losing my kids and tha is the truh, ny childhood was horrific and i grew up with addicts as parents and my god they dont ever see the harm they cause and never ever take responsibilty never. ever.....

so my sympathies are nil, I hate my useles addict parents, and yet i am sure they want me to ake care of them in their old age mmmmmmm I have a friend left in an orphanage by her parents , and she jsu nursed her mother on her deah bed, pathetic beings,

if you want to knwo what your kids will hink of you when they grow up and see you clearly, and hear you deny your addiction was the issue and you were the problpem, forget it I am here to tell you your kids will see you the way I see mine and see you as clearly as everybody else.

my son has lost his son to docs and rightly so , he is not in rehab , neioher is the mother, and addiction is what is , but for god sakes face the reality , you can get healthy drugs to treat your issues and get help and hat is how I have managed and grown and I acknowledge my part and my families part in the state of my son and I dont blame docs cause my grandson is care, it is my responsibility that my son is an addict and my short comigns and human flaws, and i blame no one, but the sad facts is folkd i will ell you now when oyur kids become adults they will forgive oyu if you change for them and if oyu dont and stay in denial and blame then i imagine you will disgust them

and the truth is most of he abuse occurred while you lot were wasted and not bnecessarily in the foster homes, some are bad but not a all
my druf fkd parens wont admit o anything ever beign anythign less as perfect, and i am 49,

and it only takes nine months to have a childs life screwed beyond beleif in fact 2 or 3 in addict environment is all it takes trust me......

you give yourself permission and think the rules dont apply to you and tha ti syour problem ,in fact you have got huge problems and you can see it and slander everyine else whi has o deal with your mess including your children

Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 20/03/2012 - 03:24.

the ninute you take drugs your commiting a crime, not you lot, and you can get a doctor who can diagnose and treat you with the right perscription in the right dose for a few dpllars alot easier than chasing it down in bad and criminal circles, your children dont deseve that , but you at some point did not put them first and you minimise that and then complain you did not protect your children and they will be adults needing their parents but you lot still will be blaming till the day you die...... at what point in your long lives will you accept your actions NEVER that is when and your kids will take your dysfucion into their adult lives as orphans becuase that is what they are cause your never ever going to take responsibility and you make me sick

I can say to this to my parents or my son ,cause i won get thru my other son is well and doing great so its not my parening skills, entirely ovbviously i failde my son and i accept that I dont blame anyone else except me and I look everyday for how I can parent better because I am still a parent to him and always will be

Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 20/03/2012 - 03:54.

he point here is FIGHTING, docs, not taking responsibilty, takign drugs, doemsic violence, huge families , and yet no funds, further pregnancies and babies being planned, your all fkg insane and the whole world is conspiring against you obviously, or perhaps we see what you do not, and a light bulb moment for me is the fact my parents wont admit to the sexual and physicasl and verbal abuse and the mental dysfunctiona nd poverty and lack of rights to life tha occurred in my life and your all just as bad

there is no risk taking them from you and putign them somewhere else perhaps its easier when the abuse is at the hands of strangers that in the home.......

I saw a woman in court and the solicitor is telling her you can ge your kids now if you get rid of the druggy abusive boyfriend your kids are scared of him and she walked out with the boyfriend.....
and you could see all the signs , nop douibt as a kid who has been thu it whatwas going on
and you copuld see she used pot and he was the outlaw bikie type, dysgunction avbuse all the red lights and of course the court and every one was conspiring agaisn them

fact was kids did not wan to go home till boyfriends were gone, and she chose boyfriend,

it was all about her and you lot are all about you.............

his site makes me sick

Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by chrissy1 on Tue, 20/03/2012 - 20:28.

there is no excuse and never any allowance of abuse on any child for any reason in any given home or placement ive never touched drugs not an alcoholic never abuse my kids i am not allowed near my kids unsupervised no calls and they live with a criminal violent family with a record of sexual physical mental verbal abuse and neglect i have no hidden agendas no secret life and nothing to hide my ex case worker left the office due to malpractice in the work place because my kids been kept from me after he cased my children for 3 yrs was the icing on his cake . it took the father of my children which i left to lie his ass off to ruin his own kids future . and the government were behind a criminal drug addict alcoholic woman bashing child abuser the entire way for going on 6 yrs now . just saying i sympathize with yoiu as my kids will sit in a place you once were . its not right weather its the parents or the carers .

Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 20/03/2012 - 03:38.

he point here is FIGHTING, docs, not taking responsibilty, takign drugs, doemsic violence, huge families , and yet no funds, further pregnancies and babies being planned, your all fkg insane and the whole world is conspiring against you obviously, or perhaps we see what you do not, and a light bulb moment for me is the fact my parents wont admit to the sexual and physicasl and verbal abuse and the mental dysfunctiona nd poverty and lack of rights to life tha occurred in my life and your all just as bad

there is no risk taking them from you and putign them somewhere else perhaps its easier when the abuse is at the hands of strangers that in the home.......

I saw a woman in court and the solicitor is telling her you can ge your kids now if you get rid of the druggy abusive boyfriend your kids are scared of him and she walked out with the boyfriend.....
and you could see all the signs , nop douibt as a kid who has been thu it whatwas going on
and you copuld see she used pot and he was the outlaw bikie type, dysgunction avbuse all the red lights and of course the court and every one was conspiring agaisn them

fact was kids did not wan to go home till boyfriends were gone, and she chose boyfriend,

it was all about her and you lot are all about you.............

his site makes me sick

Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by Keith 1996 Coffs Harbour (not verified) on Thu, 03/11/2011 - 00:21.

Grafton DOCS are bent for sure!!

I wrote and made complaints by phone about them and Coffs Harbour DOCS in 1994/95 and I was framed for armed robbery a few days after the Bombing of the Coffs Harbour Department of Community Services office in August 1996. I shared front page space with a little creep call Ron Dyer who was the DOCS Minister who I had complained to in writting. He was hanging out the window of his bombed out Coffs DOCS office, ha and I was smeared up as the "Coffs Harbour Syring Bandit". Me and that creep were the only things on that page. It was a week before a 4 day Family Court Hearing for Custody and property. They dropped the charge a week after the hearing. I lost my boys for ten years and the family home.

Yea so I know DOCS are low life rotten mongrels!!

Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by Keith 1996 Coffs Harbour (not verified) on Thu, 03/11/2011 - 00:28.

And the local pigs are bent.

Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by Kath (not verified) on Thu, 15/09/2011 - 08:53.

well that was a blast I wrote you a huge response and just got to the part about the police and justice system needing to do their jobs and i lost it. if you live in or near grafton the salvation army has a sunday meeting at 10am, i dont always go but im often glad when i do, we are all entitled to salvation you know, no matter what they said about us, no matter what they do, our children are entitled to it too. The problem is they have ie, docs, cops ect put us all to shame for being human, and about our parenting, and so even when the abused grow up they are too scared to speak up because how can you ever understand what it is if it didnt happen to you, and its easy for professionals to label and act as they see fit, which seems in the systemic abuses to be to remove you from your own humanity and familial bonds. I have a cousin who docs gave her babies to their dad, they are adults now one is a junkie and the other the father molested docs gave the child $50000 and then instead of letting my cousin put it in a trust for her they gave it to the fathers parents whose house the abuse occurred in, the kid drank the money, but she is an adult now with her own kids. The abused dont speak up because the system, not society, but the system labels them as damaged traumaised goods and many are able to do what the system wants and get on with it and if you cant well they are so calloused now days they say bad luck for you. What we knew as Australians, even abused Australians, the times as they were when we were kids is over, a fair go well there is no such thing, its black and white, the times have changed and the systems will tumble down as democracy like everything is cyclic. Im glad you have your babies, at $147000 a year for a case worker position it is obvious why they take our kids, add to that the solicitors, courts, magestrates, judges, secretaries, cops, family support service industry and all it is is a new industry, its mechanical once they know you even if you went to them for some idea you needed some help, people need to know they take kids and thats what they do, they dont help, Australia doesnt make anything anymore and the politicians dont support manufacturing we are a service industry related society and you and I are the raw goods. Have hope and if you have any addictions out their seek the salvos for help. They help when children are taken because of drug or alcohol addiction, and in all my searching I found out that if I had that instead of a hysterical reaction to my child being taken, their were many willing to help but cause I had no addictions there was nothing. But... I found all of you out there even I dont remember my original contact with the site, I know there are many of us all hurt all downtrodden and that is how armies always begin, we dont need guns but when we have love for our kids as the basis and higher than that the memories of those who werent helped, the system will be overcome. We are all created equal, even the ones we look and frown upon, and even the ones who are doing the looking and frowning, its just a shame many people feel they are above this fundamental. I hope you stay strong and grow deep roots, having been through so much in life can make you want to explode, but its better to hope and love and find a way through, I believe that things will change one day, but we must live and have hope. Love K

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Re: HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS / PROTEST 22nd Sept

Submitted by bringingthemhome on Thu, 15/09/2011 - 11:29.

$147,000 per year for a casework manager + $6,000 per week to an NGO = $379,000 per year + Fostercarer payments of $600-00 per week Legal Eagles ( Goliaths ) legal bill of min $50,000 + phony Psycholagists reports $3,000 + GP's who addict our children to prescribed drugs $1,000 per year + + + If all this money is spent on STEALING just one child .......then this surely SPELLS CORRUPTION and Child Trafficking.

Almost ONE MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR PER CHILD is being distributed to all these unethical people who refuse to put funds into the system for family preservation.

We need to let the PUBLIC know how CORRUPT this EVIL System is and the only way to do this is to ATTEND the DoCS / Childrens Magistrates Courts Corruption PROTEST next Thursday the 22nd of SEPTEMBER at the PARRAMATTA CHILDRENS COURT at 12pm.

In memory of Little Luke.

FREE THE CHILDREN

Re: HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS / PROTEST 22nd Sept

Submitted by Kath (not verified) on Fri, 16/09/2011 - 08:45.

hey, been reading some of your story and shut up cheryl, the level of cruelty amazes me and how that the govt cant realise the cruelty in taking a child from the birth and what that does physically and mentally to the mother. i was also on another site this morning reading other cases and saw that the whole time that mental health was saying i was paranoid that all these people were against me, what did the magestrate say, she thinks there is a conspiracy against her and your not doing that to her in my court, he got removed from the case and next time i saw him was in May 2011 while support a friend who has suffered for all my yelling at the "services" for taking my child, and was told he was looking at 14 years by this magestrate, who I thought was a good person but who I now think "got told" but of course that might be my paranoia they said I was suffering after all that happened, sometimes i do think i imagined giving birth to my fourth child to a man i loved at 36 years old who went on to abuse my 3 older kids and bash me to my head in a remote town in WA and leave my just turned 5 yr old to bring the baby for breast feeding whilst I went in and out of consciousness and he went to Perth for an Ag dept conference. Sometimes I think I imagined that I came back to NSW for safety without my baby because the federal police said that they would come and get her if I took her interstate but was it my screaming at them that changed that law? Or am I paranoid? ok im being sarcastic and i can get worse at it, what i am seeing is parts of my story all over the place mental health and hospital ed's giving mothers anti psychotics after hysteria from dv abuse and breaking consent orders, families torn apart within themselves, people dying, i wanted to say thank you for the forum and for speaking out and sorry for all the people who use the site to be nasty or the social workers who dont understand what this type of job once was and use the site to tell people how to be parents or how we must be bad parents to have lost our kids, i said it in court and was laughed at but when i went to uni for six months this year the lecturer said it too...why is diversity so valued within the context of plants and animals yet devalued within humans, we search for identity yet feel like we have to conform and for those who dont or cant because of where their lives came from and are at why is there always someone ready to destroy what they percieve to be weakness? Was my weakness to have a baby? Or fall in love with someone? or was it just being human? so anyway i dont know your names (except shut up cheryl and i guess its not really her name, but she is a blast of reality and humanity) and Im not real good at the site here but Im open to telling and I will keep on telling even if it means I believe their was a conspiracy against me or I am paranoid, I have been visiting the jails for months now, Im really tired and I dont feel well, mum has pneumonia and I dont think she'll see Grace ever again, Grace loved Dorrigo and the people in it, including the drug population, truth is really hard for most people to comprehend I have found, faced with reality, it is hard to believe. Last night Alinta told me how she hates me again, there is no help at least I learnt this lesson, I know sometime in the next days she come say she loves me again, this is the legacy of Heidi Payne, Deb Cornal, Kerry Foley and a host of ministers. I got the red reminder that i failed to vote and another letter from the electoral office to this address telling us we have to enrol to vote, i guess i wont be visiting the prision in the future but living there, steal my children and feed them to druggos, give them drugs, and tell me im insane for caring, i dont think so, my vote is in a no confidence vote, the carbon tax more important than me seeing my babies no dont think so, others bringing their children here for a safe life - get really real, and all your babies taken and the only difference between a known druggo and an unknown is getting busted and/or if youve got an chance of bribing the cops, what you wrote in one post is a wake up, police dropped the charges of the people who sexually assaulted me and beat me up and got in a car to run me over while my son and the ambulance watched in fear, how do you drop that charge? and come to think of it if i am accussed of child abuses why was I not innocent until being proved guilty under the normal laws of assault? how come when i complained about a child being given drugs the police went after the person who tried to help me? Am i paranoid and delusional that he went to prison, i must be but if i go to prison or i get shot for speaking out here please know that i meant well in my conspiricy theorism, the corruption you talk of exists and it is huge. and just so that you dont start saying I am a on drugs i am a reformist dope is plain bad for you and your kids it rots the brain and stops you being everything you could be but realistically i dont care what drugs you do just dont give them to my kids......and this is for all the people who got away with it in Dorrigo.... but would never read this site ... once they called you pushers. take my information to the human rights commission and any where else i have no voice of myself, i did go to the ACC, i tried, i did go to the antidiscrimination board no one cared. my freedom and rights as an Australian where taken by someone born in Wales and an American, my ex partner was a German and my brothers wife is Hungarian as I said in the court when they asked me who i am i introduced myself as noone someone who doesnt even matter, identity gone with family. I hope the protest goes well, I hope it gains attention, no one should suffer this........

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Re: HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS / PROTEST 22nd Sept

Submitted by bringingthemhome on Fri, 16/09/2011 - 14:08.

Hello Kath

Like hundreds and hundreds of other Innocent Parents YOU ARE NOT PARANOID!!!!!!!

When these Caseworkers remove Children for false risk of harm reporting and without thorough investigation or any evidence.... their whole office conspires against you...meaning the Caseworker,Casemanager,Client Services Manager and Regional Director and then there is the GREEDY NGO who will receive BIG PAY PACKETS for every week they keep your stolen child ...not to mention the CEO who really goes into bat for the caseworker's wrong doings as in if you contact the Minister or her CEO they refer you back to the abusive and victimising caseworker/manager............you see it is far more finacially viable to pay one of their Legal croney's $40,000 to steal your child in their corrupt Childrens Court than it is to pay out a compensation claim for getting it so wrong. re: David & Goliath

I have wittnessed in horror immoral and unethical caseworkets and their managers take down innocent people and leave children in abusive carers homes. These people( Government Employees/Public Servants have no conscience at all and they are lead by unconsciable Dpt heads and Politicians of the day who do not give two hoots about the STOLEN CHILDREN , other than the Billions of dollars they are funded to keep themselves employed.

Their PROPAGANDA MACHINE/Cover-ups are evil to the core.

These immoral people at DoCs hand over $379,000 per year per child to these conglomerate NGO's and refuse to spend not one red cent on Family Services and real Social Workers.

Everyday i ask myself > how can this be happening in the country i was born in? Why and how does our Australian Government allow and tolerate such evil practices in Child Protection? How do these people sleep at night? Then i have to remind myself that this is nothing new...they were drugging and raping the Forgotten Australians and they STOLE a whole generation of Indigenous Peoples, They worked and seriously abused the Child Migrants to the bone. They forced thousands of ADOPTIONS in the 40's 50's and 60's so whats to stop them Stealing and Trafficking thousands more children in this era. All they have to do is say SORRY in another 40 years time and they are off the hook.

Well SORRY doesn't cut it for me .......... Kevin STUPID RUDD put on a great false face in his sorry speach and all the while another STOLEN GENERATION was being ripped out of their cots.

CONSPIRACIES IN OVERDRIVE .

Children don't Vote ........so our Government abuses them for gain and profit.

And yes of course there are children in dire need of Protective Services ... BUT NO WHERE NEAR THE AMOUNT OF CHILDREN THIS EVIL OUTFIT CLAIMS.

FREE THE CHILDREN

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Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by alecomm on Mon, 29/08/2011 - 23:19.

@ Louise : they certainly are l1ars, but they can and have been beaten. it is not easy though. you must record everything they say, only (when possible) have contact with them via email, or in writing. every issue you have you must complain to either the ombudsman or the minister or whoever, but make sure you create a paper trail, because even though now they are wreaking havoc on so many innocent lives, they WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. and to do that, you need the proof that you did complain and ask for help (engage the services).

Meantime , you can prosecute your d1rty docs workers, you can have us go in to bat for you, and you can name and shame your dirty docs workers on the registers at alecomm. this too applies for those rotten criminal lawyers and court reporters, and psychs.

www dot alecomm dot com - "working for the betterment of both government and community" ...

Shut Up Cheryle. Dont Be Dumb.

Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by Whistleblower1 on Fri, 02/09/2011 - 22:53.

Well hello Life without Barriers

why has this link been removed

http://www2.parliament.sa.gov.au/hansard_data/2001/LC/WH291101.lc.htm

now now if LWB have nothing illegal to hide from the public then who removed this link from public veiwing??

Remember this hansard at question time South Australian parliament by the leader of the Democrates SANDRA KANCK way back in 2001

You don't remember?? lets refresh your memory as i have a copy of the hansard before it was removed for All to read in this democratic country of ours,so sit back have a cuppa and a Bex

So as Pauline Hanson would say Please explain!

South Australia question time parliament house foster care

FOSTER CARE\TOC\2\FOSTER CARE

\IND\Question:nn:The Hon. SANDRA KANCK The Hon. SANDRA KANCK: I seek leave to make an explanation before asking the Minister for Transport and Urban Planning, representing the Minister for Human Services, a question about foster care services.

Leave granted.

The Hon. SANDRA KANCK: For some time I have been expressing concern about the alternative care system that we have in South Australia. We are facing a serious shortage of foster carers at a time when there is an increase in children entering foster care with more complex needs than ever before. One of the few positive steps forward the government took was to support a longitudinal study undertaken by Flinders University. The research that tracked children entering foster care in this state was unprecedented in Australia.

According to a letter I received from the Child and Family Welfare Association, the Department of Human Services has withdrawn funding support for the study. I have been informed that this was under the direction of Ms Roxanne Ramsey, Executive Director of the Country and Disability Division. Sector workers now inform me that the Department of Human Services is actively obstructing the study. Re­searchers are prevented from speaking to the children who were part of the study, FAYS workers have been prevented from speaking to the researchers, and carers are not allowed to talk about the wellbeing of the children with researchers.

It has also emerged that the government commissioned consultants from New South Wales to undertake a review into alternative care in South Australia. These consultants failed to contact Flinders University regarding its research findings despite the fact that it was the longest tracking study of children in alternative care in Australia, and the second longest in the world.

Further, I am informed that a private company called Life Without Barriers from New South Wales has been advertising for foster carers since August 2001 in South Australia. This advertising began just one month after the contract for foster care had been extended by 12 months to current service providers. Yet foster carers are being approached by Life Without Barriers and asked to defect from the existing provider for more money.

A Sydney Morning Herald article in June this year revealed that Life Without Barriers received favoured treatment in a tender process with the New South Wales government, and that a government department is now being investigated by the New South Wales Independent Commis­sion Against Corruption. In September, the Minister for Human Services wrote to service providers saying, `Between now and 3 October 2001, 30 service providers, including Life Without Barriers, will be invited to prequalify for registration to join a provider panel to tender for provision of individual care packages for these young people.'

522 Sector workers inform me that Life Without Barriers principal, Ray Dunne, flew in from New South Wales to discuss the provision of individual care packages for young people as early as July. I have been informed that Ms Roxanne Ramsey and Mr Ray Dunne are former work colleagues and that Ms Ramsey is keen to move services from existing providers to Life Without Barriers. My questions to the minister are:

1. Why was funding to the Flinders University terminat­ed?

2. Why is the Department of Human Services actively obstructing the research of Flinders University, which could assist in improving the lives of children in foster care?

3. Why do the consultants reviewing alternative care in South Australia not make contact with the researchers at Flinders University?

4. Why is Life Without Barriers advertising for foster carers when the contract has already been awarded to existing service providers?

5. Has the government provided any contracts to Life Without Barriers in either alternative care or disability services? If so, what tender process was entered into and what probity checks were undertaken?

6. Does the minister think it appropriate for the govern­ment to engage Life Without Barriers when a tender it was involved in in New South Wales is being investigated for corruption?

7. Has Life Without Barriers been provided with any information about foster carers in South Australia? If so, what level of detail, and how many names?

8. If information has been provided by DHS, have any aspects of privacy laws been broken?

9. If the information was not provided by DHS, will the minister institute a police investigation to ascertain how Life Without Barriers obtained the information?

10. What is the connection between Ms Roxanne Ramsey and Life Without Barriers?

11. What is the connection between Ms Ramsey and Mr Ray Dunne?

The PRESIDENT: Order! Question time is for a question, not 11 questions.

\IND\Answer:nn:The Hon. DIANA LAIDLAW The Hon. DIANA LAIDLAW (Minister for Transport and Urban Planning): I was just wondering what was the inference of the last question, whether it was personal or professional. Did you want to clarify that in the question?

The Hon. Sandra Kanck: No.

The Hon. DIANA LAIDLAW: I think that is unusual. I, nevertheless, will refer at least the first nine questions to the honourable minister to bring back a reply.

Over to Alecomm for a copy and paste of this missing link!

Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by Childrens Advocate (not verified) on Sat, 03/09/2011 - 01:11.

Thank You oh so much Whistleblower1

It just proves,doesn't it.....that there is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

SOMETHING REALLY ROTTEN GOING ON ..... IN THE STATE OF DENMARK.

Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by Whistleblower1 on Mon, 05/09/2011 - 13:49.

Yes Childrens Advocate , there is so much going on with this mob

The wards of the state are pots of gold, this agency and Docs needs to be investigated to see if deals are being done with the Client Managers at Docs offices around the Country and the appropriate people jailed

LWB growth has been phenomenal over the past 10 years with the help of their labor mates in NSW QLD AND SA

here is yet another

http://newsstore.smh.com.au/apps/viewDocument.ac?page=1&sy=smh&kw=life+w...

Lo Po' faces accusations over tenders
Author: Geesche Jacobsen
Date: 23/06/2001
Words: 295
Publication: Sydney Morning Herald
Section: News And Features
Page: 11

The Community Services Minister, Mrs Lo Po', has been accused of interfering with the awarding of a contract for disability services, a matter being reviewed by the Ombudsman.
The allegations, made during a parliamentary inquiry, follow the making of similar allegations against bureaucrats and one of Mrs Lo Po's senior advisers to the Independent Commission Against Corruption last month.

Documents show the minister overruled recommendations by the Disability Department by awarding two contracts to organisations that had scored fewer points in the assessment process than the recommended tenderer.

One tender for services to support the disabled on the Central Coast, worth $824,000, was awarded to Life Without Barriers, which had received 810 points, compared with 985 points received by the tenderer recommended by the department.

Another tender, for more than $1 million, for services in the Hunter, was awarded to Life Activities Inc, which scored less than the preferred tenderer.

Documents tabled to a Budget estimates committee show the minister supported a recommendation from policy adviser Mr Warrick Neilley to award the contracts to these organisations. The assessment panel had recommended the contracts go to the tenderer scoring the most points.

In response to Opposition questions, Mrs Lo Po' said one of the tenderers had been ``unhappy" with the outcome and had complained to the Ombudsman. She would not comment further.

In an earlier answer to Democrat MP Dr Arthur Chesterfield-Evans, she said: ``From time to time there is an alteration [of a recommendation to award a tender]. From time to time there is new information that comes to our notice."

The Opposition community services spokesman, Mr Brad Hazzard, said Mrs Lo Po' had ``twisted and turned" when asked whether she had interfered in the funding process.

Thank you also from me Whistleblower1

Conspiracies everywhere relating to Life Without Barriers.

We haven't heard anything about the innocent BABY that contracted Anal Herpes whilst in the care of Life Without Barriers.

This is GROSS and SERIOUS abuse of this INFANT CHILD.

As for Lo Po > PLEASE EXPLAIN IN FULL.

FREE THE CHILDREN

Yes bringthemhome, i am aware of that young child with anal warts! also aware of that LWB foster pedo carer who rape a 15 year old boy in his care,

This agency MUST be investigated by the NSW and the Federal police and charges laid against them!

stuff the ombudsman !who is a useless toothless tiger

yes bringthemhome

yet here is another ,this time from Western Australia

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/breaking/9547829/youth-bail-contrac...

A charity organisation contracted by the State Government to provide youth bail services in the East Kimberley is under investigation by the NSW Ombudsman.

The probe into foster care agency Life Without Barriers reportedly relates to alleged inadequate background checks on carers.

A spokeswoman for the NSW Ombudsman's office confirmed yesterday that the organisation was under investigation.

Minister for Corrective Services Terry Redman last week named Life Without Barriers as the recipient of a $1.2 million, three-year contract to provide youth bail services to the Kununurra region.

The organisation also provides similar services in Broome.

Details of the Kununurra youth bail services contract emerged after revelations by _The Weekend West _that a 12-year-old boy spent nine days in isolation at a police lockup because a responsible adult could not be found to care for him.

Shadow minister for child protection Sue Ellery yesterday called on the Government to declare what it knew about the NSW investigation before granting the Kimberley contracts.

"The Government needs to satisfy West Australians that there are no probity issues related to any contracts as a result of investigations in NSW," Ms Ellery said.

"I would be particularly concerned if the issue that was being examined in NSW was background checks on foster carers, because these are our most vulnerable children," she said.

A spokesman for Life Without Barriers declined to comment on the investigation, but said: "Life Without Barriers fully co-operates with all regulatory bodies to ensure we meet the highest standards."

Mr Redman would not say if he was aware of the NSW Ombudsman's investigation.

Mr Redman said the Government had tendered for the East Kimberley youth bail services contract in accordance with government procurement guidelines.

Last week, the minister confirmed the Government would not build a youth bail hostel in Kununurra. It had promised to do so in November 2009.

"Life Without Barriers' model of service delivery does not require a separate bail facility, instead offering a host family service model that was considered appropriate for the Kununurra region," Mr Redman said.

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Thank you ONCE MORE Whistleblower1

Reposting everywhere !

Can it get any worse? I guess so..........as DoCS have mastered cover-ups.

It appears All State Governments are turning a blind eye to whats going on with Life Without Barriers. One can only hope that THIS TIME Bruce Barbour holds an integrity style INVESTIGATION after all this involves the innocent lives of children across the country.

FREE THE CHILDREN

Well hello again Life Without Barriers

Even the Australian Services Union is on your back!!

Please give the surplus millions back to the taxpayers of Australia

After all! your a NOT FOR PROFIT ORGANISATION are you not?????

http://www.asumembers.org.au/sacs/sacs-news/1355-life-without-barriers-n...

Life Without Barriers NSW and ACT - Union Members News #2 November, 2010
Thursday, 28 October 2010 08:57

Download a printable version of this newsletter (pdf file - 207KB)

In this edition:

Implementation of the Modern Award – Urgent info for all staff.
Your News – Your Rules – Your Name: We look at the response to the very first newsletter and talk about the name and the philosophy of The Union Way.
What’s happening around LWB: LOOs – Are they worth the paper they are written on? Where is the back-pay claim up to and could it affect you?
So, you think you can manage? Some fly-on-the-wall stories about the REAL LWB management way!
BREAKING NEWS! Management’s NES and MODERN AWARD Mayhem – Coming Your Way!The Australian Services Union – your union – has obtained information about your employer’s intention in terms of the implementation of the Modern Award. They intend to send information to some staff in the coming days – so we thought we should prepare you.

AS SOON AS YOU GET ANYTHING FROM MANAGEMENT get it to us! emily@asu.org.au This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it f: 02 9698 8936

We have some serious concerns about your employer’s intended actions and interpretations. In your employer’s document management outline all the SAVINGS they can make by manipulating this process to suit them.

SAVINGS to THEM could mean PAY CUTS to YOU!They also intend to make massive changes to rostering arrangements. No workers take home pay should be affected by any changes. All workers deserve to have a say in any changes. We need to be ready to make sure that you get a say and a decent deal!

What can you do?

1. Know Your Rights: Join Your Union! Warn your non-member colleagues that the letters and meetings are coming! Ask them to join the union so that they know what their rights are and can have a voice. Together we can tackle this - it's the union way.

2. As soon as you get any information contact us so we can work with members to protect and improve your pay and conditions!

3. Keep us in the loop of what is happening for you - we rely on you to keep us posted. Make sure your membership details are up to date by checking with Emily ( emily@asu.org.au This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it 02 9310 4000)

It doesn't matter if you are a so called 'contractor', 'salaried staff' or 'Award' employee - this has the potential to affect us all. If you want more information please contact Emily at the Union office.

Your News–Your Union –Your Name
We’ve received some great suggestions for names for the News.

The stand out is a simple play on some well worn LWB words: The Union Way. Fittingly for a Union Newsletter, the name is an amalgamation of the ideas of many people – sometimes we come up with better ideas together than we can alone – thanks to all those who contributed ideas!

We hope that you like the name and embrace it as your own. Your Union, is you, the members – that’s the union way! The more members we have the stronger we are. The more active our members are the more effective we are. The more organised we are the bigger, brighter and better we all can be!

Here are some comments we got from the last news:

“Thanks for the newsletter- it's great” – Employee Rockdale (ED: Not a problem and thanks!)

“Hopefully you will keep the newsletter going, and with momentum this will lead to bigger membership and more proactive trade unionism.” Employee Hunter (ED: We couldn’t agree more… and with the next comment – maybe you are right!)

“I was wondering if you would mind emailing me a membership form to join the union for one of my work colleagues?” – Support Worker (ED: Fantastic – keep spreading the word!)

What’s happening around LWB?The 40 hour week is a thing of the past and LWB has finally caught up.Now we all know the 80s is back – you can’t walk down the street without seeing 80s fashion. Pop music is drawing inspiration from the music of the 1980s... but, since the 80s the 38 hour standard full-time working week has covered almost all industries in the country… some things just don’t deserve a reprise!

The National Employment Standards set the 38 hour week in stone as minimum conditions on July 1, 2010. Depending on your circumstances you might have been underpaid last year too, and the year before that, and all the years going back to the 80s for that matter (when 40 hour weeks were legal)!

We say - it’s not good enough to just fix it now and pretend it never happened!

If you have been working 40 hour weeks you might have been significantly underpaid!

What can I do?

1. If you are a Union member contact Emily ( emily@asu.org.au This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it or 9310 4000)

2. Tell your non-member friends about the issue and ask them to join and then contact Emily too.

SACS Award Employees Back Pay Claim – Update!
Illawarra ASU members are seeking almost $45K in incorrect payment of wages over the last 6 years. ASU members rejected an inadequate offer from LWB management. In discussions Management asked for a counter offer which Illawarra members have done including informing LWB they are prepared to sign Statutory Declarations to support their claim.

LWB maintain that their payroll records were destroyed about 2 years ago. ASU told management that they are required under Fair Work Act 2009 to keep employee records for 7 years and that they should have backed up their records. (continued next page)

Not keeping the records is an offence and reportable to the Fair Work Ombudsman.Members have given management until Friday 29 October 2010 to have the money in their bank accounts.

Pay Problems EVERY Pay?! Union Members are reporting that there are errors in their pay almost every pay! Many members have taken to carefully checking every pay slip and then contacting management to correct their pays. Do you check your pay slips? If it’s happening for one – it’s usually happening for many. If you need help checking you pay call the Union office. If you need to make a claim for unpaid wages due to errors we can assist you.

Occupational Health and Safety – You have rights – and responsibilities!
Following on from our last Newsletter where we shared a story about a Union Win for workers who had been sleeping on a mattress on the floor the Union Office has had several enquiries about OH & S concerns from LWB staff.

We continue to investigate and encourage all workers to come forward with their concerns. Have a safe workplace is the most basic of rights! If you have any concerns please contact us as a matter of urgency, emily@asu.org.au This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it or 02 9310 4000.

So, you think you can manage? Tales from LWB Management
Here is a few of the stories of the month – if you have a story – let us know! emily@asu.org.au This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it

Money, money, money – Wish Lists and Back Pay
At the end of this financial year LWB was reportedly millions of dollars in surplus. So, instead of dealing with the inequities and errors in your pay they put out the call for wish lists for presents for clients. Now, buying things for clients is great – no one would argue with that but, we’ve seen the wish lists of Plasma TVs, lap-tops, overseas trips, gaming consoles etc. etc. and we know how much money some of our members are owed… it’s all a bit rich really… mind the pun!

We are continuing to investigate underpayment claims – if you have concerns then let us know and we can chase it up. Let’s make sure that money that is owed to you is not flittered away.

Psst. Want to know a secret?
LWB management likes to try and keep you all in the dark. They say that your contracts of employment and LOOs (funny name that really) are ‘private and confidential’. They ARE NOT. We’ve seen heaps of them and are astonished by the inequities.

Here are a couple of examples;

There are serious variations in pay in the so called ‘contractors’ contracts! For more information contact your Union.
In some LOOs we have seen LWB seems to be cutting you out of basic entitlements – like penalty rates, overtime, allowances and leave loading.
Some ‘Award employees’ have been underpaid – we usually find if there is one underpayment there are many.

If you want more info – contact Emily in the Union office. emily@asu.org.au This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it , 9310 4000

Distribute The Union Way widely in your networks and encourage non-members to join the union.

Re: Dirty Dealings with Life Without Barriers Lo Po should go !

Submitted by Childrens Advocate (not verified) on Wed, 07/09/2011 - 19:32.

How does this circus LWB continue to run ?????????????? Millions of Tax Payer Funds in Surplus.

Employeees now being BLATANTLY RIPPED OFF.

For Crying Out Loud .

What a laughing stock they are making of Government not to mention the Millions in PROFITS re: Most definately are profiteering.

Re: Dirty Dealings with Life Without Barriers Lo Po should go !

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 12/09/2011 - 19:04.

What a joke !! but i guesss the last laugh is on LWB! after all it these poor children, and us the taxpayers who are being ripped off!!!!

Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 18/08/2011 - 14:32.

P.S. should have laso made known that children were abused while in foster care too, but ofcourse the complaint for that was sent back to the same office to deal with, just moved them on to yet another home and swept it under the carpet, mind you granparents who made a complaint who also supported children 100% financially since birth cannot have visits at mothers request let alone care for them. What the mother wants the mother gets.

Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 18/08/2011 - 14:20.

Im hearing you, docs took the granchildren 2 years ago now are giving mums boyfriend visitation weekly, he was the abuser, grandparents refused visits cause they no longer get along with the mum cause they made a report to docs and police, abuse was severe and children assessed by mental health as sverly traumatised. We made a complaint about case worker but head office refers the complaints back to the dept. you are complaining about for them to handle, will never get anywhere like that, childen wont either when docs request court to remove an avo on him so he can then have his visits.

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Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by bringingthemhome on Thu, 18/08/2011 - 20:12.

This is so TRUE

All caseworker complaints are referred back to the abusive caseworkers ..this was done by CEO Annette Gallard Iron Lady ...who has now stepped down. Hundreds of us had our complaints replied to by Annette IRON LADY GALLARD telling us to contact the VERY SAME CASEWORKERS WE WERE MAKING SERIOUS COMPLAINT ABOUT.

Annette Gallard lead the review to change the HUMAN TISSUES ACT >>> Making all Children in OOHC compulsory ORGAN DONORS ...She Gallard also seen nothing wrong with thousands of Children In Care being Drug Addicted after children suffered from SEPERATION TRAUMA ..to make life easy on the Dpt they falsely diagnose our children with ADHS/ADD in order to drug induce them on there serious dangerous drugs.

With GALLARD gone ...you can bet your life on it , that the one who has taken her place has been well trained in Corruption & Cover-Ups.

We all need to attend the DoCS Corruption Rally/Protest on the 22nd of September at the Parramatta Childrens Court.

FREE THE CHILDREN

Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by docchris3 on Tue, 05/04/2011 - 22:34.

Australian abuse of an American's Rights
I am appealing to the tribunal as they wanted to deport me my kids are not allowed their US citizenship (I and the kids are in NSW but I am American married to am Australian.)and my daughter is possibly being sexually abused and my son possibly has autism or adhd. I have chosen to stay with my husband even though he committed dv due to his commitment and success in the DV and CALM programs and to many positive changes in our marriage if not for my kids being held in Australia I would prefer to be home in the US with my husband, parents, brother, sister and friends. DIAC WORKER wanted to know how we met and why I did not apply for permanent residency earlier. I visited and was invited to stay for the full 3 months. By then we were in love and I was pregnant. Because of my history of having preemies and the baby causing me seizures I was on bed rest and had lost my job in the USA, I was not medically allowed to fly home and we could not afford the 2000+ to apply for a visa. Once I was no longer on bed rest I was still restricted from taking plane flights (I would have preferred to have Lucas born in the US to have my mom and dad help with the early months) so we got a bridging visa and started to try to save money for the spousal visa. I have been hit a total of 3 times and always reported it but could not leave our home and did not have residency, Medicare or anything so was not sure how to get help. . I offered my husband one last chance to get help, extended my avo and started trying to get protection visa. I do NOT have the money yet to pay for the medical check but apparently the Red Cross might help. I WILL NOT leave the country without my children but need residency so I have access to services; benefits etc should dv ever happen again. Yes we are trying to save our marriage. Both of us are in counselling and I don’t know the outcome but for now we are trying and for the past 9+ months succeeding. My dad is US Ambassador (ret) Edward B O'Donnell Jr
VIOLATIONS OF DOCS: Did not get the list of FREE services that the Judge Marion's ordered most are at costs we cannot afford due to my medications, specialists, bills etc. I have epilepsy and severe migraines. DOCS have been working against us. Including ignoring verbal directions to DOCS attorney to leave visitation "as is" for 3 months then to do the reduction (which I want 12 x year they are only providing 6 times per year). We also have never been given medical documents EVER. My parents will attach themselves as well for the section 90 reapplication. Jason and I will take any and all services that I have been given or looked into (including dv and alcohol and marriage). I would personally like to resubmit in April or May so that I can say either the concerns are gone or are in successful treatment and get the kids back or have my parents adopt them.
They also have not allowed me to take them to the US consulate to get their American citizenship and docs has not reviewed my parents if we are to lose. My father is a former US Ambassador currently working for Hillary Clinton. They have a 5 bedroom home and my mom stays home (does not work). My dad probably makes $140,000 per year and docs want to permanently place my kids in a 3 bedroom housing commission house with 9 people (including my kids) till they are 18. Docs has not helped me to secure permanent residence so I am still on a spousal visa pending tribunal decision "trapped" in Australia as I refuse to leave my kids.
case # 1-s2tr0r (DOCS) IMMI RE: Christina O'Donnell-Pyne (Masters) DOB: 27/08/1970 - Application for Partner Visa - CLF2009/143229
date of birth 8/27/1970app # sg95889535753 ch082099 class WE bridging

My dad is US Ambassador (ret) Edward B O'Donnell Jr
I am hoping for some alcohol and relationship counselling as well
PLEASE help me. Christina O’Donnell-Masters

Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by cramo02 on Sat, 19/03/2011 - 15:57.

My children were taken by DoCS NSW in 2008. I lost at the childrens court level last yr and now proceeding to the District level. My older children have not been listened to, they want to come home. I have not been charged with anything. When you go to court you hope for justice but just get law. The courts will do what DoCS wants, just in case they get it wrong. Better safe than we look bad.

I cought my case worker out on lies in a signed and file affidavet in court. Now if you or I did that we would be in so much trouble. Yet nothing has happened to her. She has stuffed up my copntact and promised to make it up to us, didnt happen and not holdiong my breath. Refused to place my children with family, even telling their last foster career that she would be able to adopt my youngest daughter, despite being of aboriginal decant. Putting them through two foster homes. My then 18mth old boy having black a eye and 3yr old daughte head to toe eczma, oh and total disregard for their culture, cutting their hair. Put them in day care, which they never attended.

I was never asked to do anything.... No courses or counciling, I did them on my own when I found out that existed. This case worker and her supervisor wont take calls and just about never return them. I had to wait over 2 months to get my contact dates after court, about tyhe time the first review was to be. If that happened I wasnt included. Even then I only got them as I rang on a day that neither were in the office, some one else read them to me. One of the dates was good friday. What a stuff up.

The cort orders are not being followed either and there is nothing I can do about it. I am not given an details as to how the children are going. Not school reports or photos. My two older children require orthodontics and that hasnt happened since taken from my car. I get nothing at all. They could be dead and I wouldnt be told, my 12yr old daughter burn her hand, missing skin still two weeks after the incident. But that wasnt an issue as far as DoCS was concerned an accident. Why was she cooking her own dinner? Because their father was too busy with his ski boat at the time.

My advice is steel yourself for the worst. Get a the best solicitor you can afford and sell everything to get them. Oh and pray that the Libs keep their word.

Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by meagainstdocs on Wed, 30/03/2011 - 20:35.

Yeh its the same stories over and over dccs done the same to all of us in here,, Strange how we all have the same stories, which shows the evil pattern of docs yet no one in Authority will take notice .Yes my latest is the carers want to adopt my daugter makes me sick to the stomach considering iam still fighting it at court .Not that i blame the carers i blame Docs and the childrens court .Docs for lying and commiting perjury and the childrens court for believing anything docs sais without proof or even a statement ..

THERES NO JUSTICE JUST US

meagainstdocs

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Re: DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by Lukes Dad on Mon, 30/08/2010 - 02:48.

Was just wondering how things are going for your family since DoCS got envolved? Regards Michael.

Lifes misfortunes fall disproportionately on the young.

http://lukesarmy.com/

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DESPERATLEY NEEDING HELP FIGHTING NSW DOCS

Submitted by Ill_be_back on Sun, 30/08/2009 - 07:56.

I have a different approach which appears to be effective in Queensland & I can't envisage any reason whythe same thing won't work in other states. For further info, contact I'll_be_back (note the slight difference from nick herein) via private message at http://www.ihategovt.com

my children were taken 11 nights ago

Submitted by mel (not verified) on Sun, 30/08/2009 - 00:01.

my 4 beautiful children were taken by docs 11 nights ago , because i suffer depression and my boys have adhd. they have also stated that becasue im a sole parent i cant possibly look after them on my own given their high needs. i know that i have a history with docs because i was a ward of the state and i called docs many times for help but what i didnt know is that they use the calls i made for help against me . i know how docs can lie and i was a victim of systems abuse and i really dont want it to happen to my children. i want the process to hurry up i just want them back home with me . my 6 year old son keeps runing away and i have had to hand him back to docs 3 times this week and it kills me every time. all of my children are in different placements and im not allowed to know where they are. one of my sons constantly complains about his carer yet i dont see anything happening. it has only been eleven nghts and already so much has happened there poor little lves have been turned up sde down ....its just not right and i need to know how to fight this , my children need me

Re: my children were taken 11 nights ago

Submitted by donna (not verified) on Tue, 30/08/2011 - 17:17.

im so sorry to hear what has happened to ure family, i have myself had my three children taken away because i asked for help also i have a deaf son my health was not good at the time i didnt need my three chilbren removed i needed help and support i too was suffering from depression they removed my children docs because i was having a nervous breakdown not once three times which lead me to st george mental hospital at there request in there i was over medicated i couldnt funtion i was like a zombie i couldnt fight the false allgegations that where made against me my children where placed in foster care only yo be abused in care / eventually the childrens father had got them out of foster care my youngest two my deaf son was placed in foster care and placed with deaf carers, docs went anlong with the father and he had final orders made for the children to be placed in his care. only to find that he became homeless he gave me the youngest two children my deaf son is still in care only when DOCs found out they where not happy with the fathers decision placing the children with me. so im back at court again i went to parramatta family court today actually. they keep pulling up the mental haelth issue i dont take medication now but i used to be injected every two weeks because they thought i had bi polar all i can say is becareful you dont want DOCs to label you they had me placed in the mental hospital they wanted me drugged up so i could nt funtion i wish you all the beat with ure fight against DOCs and ure children also i would be requeting that all ure children be placed together i always stated that the children must stay together and not seperated if you would like to contact me in regards to DOCS please email me wishing you all the best donna

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Re: my children were taken 11 nights ago

Submitted by bringingthemhome on Wed, 31/08/2011 - 08:16.

The Protest/Rally against DoCs Corruption, Abuses, False Risk of Harm Reporting, Parent & Family Alienation, Persecution, Victimisation and Lies will be held at the Parramatta Childrens Court on the 22nd of September 2011 12pm to 2pm.

This Protest is to let Community Services NSW / Pru Goward / NGO's / Childrens Courts Magistrates / Know that Parents , Grandparents , Families and Siblings are OUTRAGED and have reached ther tolerance of the Unethical Standards of Child Protection NSW.

RE: ENOUGH is ENOUGH

UNITED WE STAND ... DIVIDED WE FALL

FREE THE CHILDREN

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Re: my children were taken 11 nights ago

Submitted by bringingthemhome on Sat, 03/04/2010 - 16:17.

Hi Mel.........

Have those Die Hard Liars - DoCS ... returned your children yet ?

It is a sad state of affairs when a mother call upon a government agency for assistance ... NO SUPPORT >>>

The more i hear the more i am sickened.

The NSW Government should be sacked !

FREE THE CHILDREN

To the Anonymous post (children gone for few weeks)

Submitted by natasha on Thu, 27/08/2009 - 18:25.

I would like to help you, we are aware of a new service starting to support you through this long hard process, even when kids return there are emotional bumps like finding out what may have happened while they were gone, we would like to help, so contact us through our link please!

wanna be activist

Re: To the Anonymous post (children gone for few weeks)

Submitted by cramo02 on Sat, 19/03/2011 - 16:01.

would be very interested in a support group. Think there would be a few of us at various stages.

Hello Cramo02

Please visit www.alecomm.com where you can register your caseworkers abuses you have stated above as there are many.Click on Complaints registers and then you can name and shame these unethical DoCs caseworkers .... its anonymous.

You can make contact on www.alecomm.com and one of the great people there will get back to you.

UNITED WE STAND _ DIVIDED WE FALL

Hang in there and stay strong.

FREE THE CHILDREN

***IN REGARD TO YOU CURRENT

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 24/08/2009 - 19:47.

***IN REGARD TO YOU CURRENT PREGNANCY***
given the other children have been removed from your care, it is likely the department will be looking to assume care of the baby when its born [from the birthing unit / maternity unit / special care nursery / whatever]. I have a feeling the department would have either
a) discussed this possibility with you, or
b) not said anything to you for fear that you will be a flight risk / may become aggressive or violent [these are the usual reasons sighted for not having informed you earlier]

***IN REGARD TO YOUR OTHER CHILDREN***
to be honest, 99% of the time DOCS do not take children unless they have PROOF / documentation. This means their computer system likely has a history of you & you children dating back sometime. These reports would come from neighbours, police, health, local non government services, the school & ANYONE ELSE who came into contact with your children. It is highly likely YOU ARE NOT AWARE of this history. People who report to DoCS are not obligated to tell you.

You have to remember, if they've taken all your kids i can almost GUARANTEE they've been tracking you for some time [they have numerous reports], & the affidavit they served to the children's court will detail the critical incident that necessitated them taking your kids. This incident will likely correlate with Police reports, medical records [if hospitalisation was needed] & any other professionals who were involved at the time. People sometimes forget that DoCS taking kids is done on an EVIDENTIARY basis. Meaning they have to have evidence to cover themselves, times have changed & the law now requires PROOF & reems of information.

DoCS will then use the history they have of you, your partner & your kids to back up their taking your kids. in regard to what your kids said & your worry that they may have lied to split you & your partner up? That would be considered a disclosure, however they would likely access your history to substantiate risk of harm & why they took the action they did. A magistrate WILL NOT allow DOCS to take your kids unless they are satisfied there is EVIDENCE support risk of harm.

the best advice i can give is to BE INFORMED. Keep in contact with DOCS so you know what they are doing & your in the loop. Access advocacy services in your local community that can help you understand the court process & speak to your legal rep about your options

PEACE

Re: ***IN REGARD TO YOU CURRENT

Submitted by SCANdalfighter on Sat, 03/04/2010 - 16:07.

Hey,sinonimouse- please go home and bake fairy cakes for all your colleagues who try to make fruitcakes out of us- we have some
good advice for you the BEST!BE INFORMED.............not loopy......
go to russia, china, outback australia, americas, etc.,meet with those sad families, whose children have been starved, beaten,stolen,murdered,sodomised and raped; who weep endlessly for justice.. then return and meet us- you will see the tears are the same- and yes, we aren't stupid enough to listen to your fairy tales-every social worker spouts them like brain dead robots..BORING
you must be a young, naive lady, believing all the crap she has been taught by these evil ones-easy life- misplaced good intentions-sad.they must like their latest recruit-
there is plenty of evidences-in writings, photos, videos. of LIES LIES LIES, by police, docs, doctors, etc., etc.,
we are informed, but not by legal aid- who help the cover-up system.
It is so rude of you, to play judge and jury in a serious matter, like this,where a concerned family is begging for help-
there is no cause to get all hoity toity and start playing the blame game- gives you away kinda.
Don't forget the cream, give it a good beating- and lots of sugar.....into the kitchen, child!!!fairy cakes for the robots of hell.
(and DON'T call the children "kids" these are sacrificial animals- makes me mad- call them by their correct respectful term CHILDREN

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Re: ***IN REGARD TO YOU CURRENT

Submitted by alecomm on Sat, 03/04/2010 - 14:52.

YOU JUST DONT HAVE A CLUE NOW DO YOU. You're obviously not one of us so how about you fuck off and preach your shit somewhere else. DOCs are corrupt, they lie, they cheat, they steal and I am yet to meet one, including their solicitors, that does not deserve to be jailed.

I have sighted at least one dozen cases where their so-called AFFIDAVITS are nothing but bullshit smear campaigns.

People like you make it hard for the real people here to trust people, so please go away. Better yet, why not visit Alecomm.com and see if you have been registered over there yet.

Shut Up Cheryle. Dont Be Dumb.

judgment Re: Georgia and Luke No. 2 [NSWSC] (1387) 2008

Submitted by judgment Re: Georgia and Luke No. 2 [NSWSC] (1387) 2008 (not verified) on Sat, 22/08/2009 - 18:42.

Read this

DOCS Gross abuse of power judgment Re: Georgia and Luke No. 2 [N

Submitted by judgment Re: Georgia and Luke No. 2 [NSWSC] (1387) 2008 (not verified) on Sat, 22/08/2009 - 18:34.

Hello you need to go to the Supreme Court with a summons in Pursuant to section 25.2 of the Uniform Civil Procedure Rules 2005
25.2 Order in urgent case before commencement of proceedings
(cf SCR Part 28, rule 1)
(1) In an urgent case, the court, on the application of a person who intends to commence proceedings, may do any of the following:
(a) it may make any order which the court might make in proceedings on an application for a writ of habeas corpus ad subjiciendum,
(b) it may make any order for the custody of a minor,
(c) it may grant any injunctive relief, including relief in the nature of a freezing order under Division 2 (Mareva relief) or a search order under Division 3 (an Anton Piller order),
(d) it may make an order extending the operation of a caveat under:
(i) the Real Property Act 1900, or
(ii) the Offshore Minerals Act 1999, or
(iii) the Offshore Minerals Act 1994 of the Commonwealth,
(e) it may appoint a receiver,
(f) it may make an order for the detention, custody or preservation of property under rule 25.3,
to the same extent as if the applicant had commenced the proceedings and the application were made in the proceedings. (2) In relation to proceedings in the Supreme Court, an application under subrule (1) may be made in any division of the Court but must, so far as practicable, be made in the division to which the proceedings that are intended to be commenced would be assigned. (3) A person making an application under subrule (1) must give an undertaking to the court to the effect that the applicant will file originating process commencing the proceedings within such time as the court may order or, if the court makes no such order, within 48 hours after the application is granted.
read this judgment Re: Georgia and Luke No. 2 [NSWSC] (1387) 2008, just go to the NSW supreme court web page and look up Judgments, you need to read the habeas corpus Act and the infants custody and settlement Act look them up on the NET, and then get the summons form 4B, from the Court web site forms and please trust me do not trust a lawyer they waste your money and XXXX with your feelings, a person liberty cannot be restrained without a trail and do not trust the Children’s Court. Believe me. I am the Plaintiff Mr. R in the matter Re: Georgia and Luke No. 2, we are in the process of suing the NSW Department of Community services for gross abuse of powers. If you want us to help I need all the details and any police reports or criminal history, remember go into Court with clean hands you will come out of court with clean hands, if you need to contact me you will be able to find me, i can not give out my info on this service due to suing nsw government DOCS. i will kept and i out on this site. Hang in there i know the feeling

Hi there,yes I do need your help,I am dealing currently with a DoCS case with my child whos been taken,please contact me on gregm2650@bigpond.com so I can forward som einfo to you.Thanks

Wow guys! You have set a precedent in the courts where we hope will make some changes. we're waiting to see how u go with the claim. We would love any help you could supply for help with our clients at the Australian Legislative Ethics Commission located at www.alecomm.com, i have quite a few clients whom are being dooped big time by docs. i have seen many affidavits that are lies and the judges, child rep ignore etc. Many legal aiders just get dragged out and cannot make it past district court to get to supreme and / or either run out of dosh also. Would love to hear from you, and well done once again, Marney (0403) 328-321

Shut Up Cheryle. Dont Be Dumb.

Could you please contact me

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 12:21.

Could you please contact me

My loss has been refered to as similar to yours by lawyers

Submitted by natasha on Thu, 27/08/2009 - 18:36.

I would love to get hold of you please, we have meetings and would love you to come sometime!

Citizens against Docs

I am setting up an organisation "incorporation" and would love to use your case precedent to further our cause. We are trying to have docs power for removal be either answreable within 48 hours due to the length of time the childrens court farce takes to give you a hearing, then takes docs word as fact!

My story is on this site under albums Natasha my daughter said I abused her yet I had the police call docs to say they had it wrong, I had her at the dentist when she said her eye was swallen shut, yet docs had already taken the kids my first lawyer lost the original documents and did not file the dentist notes which I gave him as attachments, I really think I have the ability to go to District but the lawyers want to exaust childrens court options first while I have proof the kids are3 abused by their so called aunt.

The abuse of a sexual nature was substantiated yet they are still there. Docs moved them against court orders, docs lawyer stood down over this.

wanna be activist

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The Judge that judged our

Submitted by Lukes Dad on Fri, 28/08/2009 - 13:29.

The Judge that judged our case in Townsville said that Luke was to stay in Townsville as both parents were there. DoCS ignored the judge and moved Luke back to Cairns. This is where my drug problem started and finished. Of course I would have to go back to Cairns, even if it was only to see my little boy for two hours a week. They answer to no one.

Lifes misfortunes fall disproportionately on the young.

http://lukesarmy.com/

Help fight the abuse of Power in Docs

Submitted by Concerned Grandmother (not verified) on Wed, 26/08/2009 - 16:16.

My daughter and I have a similiar situation and have found that the case workers lie, falsify documents mislead doctors solicitors and I have proof of this. I have been refused legal aid and I want to take this matter further. Docs have even gone so far as to say that my daughter has seen many psychiatrists and been in and out of Mental Institutions. She has never been in any institution or ever seen 1 psychiatrist. I have written to the Director General and the Ministers and the Ombudsman they return with the comment "Discuss this with the Case Manager. Considering that they are all in collusion I find that there is no recourse and no action.

DOCS Gross abuse of power Re: Georgia and Luke No. 2,

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 22/08/2009 - 18:26.

Hello you need to go to the Supreme Court with a summons in Pursuant to section 25.2 of the Uniform Civil Procedure Rules 2005
25.2 Order in urgent case before commencement of proceedings
(cf SCR Part 28, rule 1)
(1) In an urgent case, the court, on the application of a person who intends to commence proceedings, may do any of the following:
(a) it may make any order which the court might make in proceedings on an application for a writ of habeas corpus ad subjiciendum,
(b) it may make any order for the custody of a minor,
(c) it may grant any injunctive relief, including relief in the nature of a freezing order under Division 2 (Mareva relief) or a search order under Division 3 (an Anton Piller order),
(d) it may make an order extending the operation of a caveat under:
(i) the Real Property Act 1900, or
(ii) the Offshore Minerals Act 1999, or
(iii) the Offshore Minerals Act 1994 of the Commonwealth,
(e) it may appoint a receiver,
(f) it may make an order for the detention, custody or preservation of property under rule 25.3,
to the same extent as if the applicant had commenced the proceedings and the application were made in the proceedings. (2) In relation to proceedings in the Supreme Court, an application under subrule (1) may be made in any division of the Court but must, so far as practicable, be made in the division to which the proceedings that are intended to be commenced would be assigned. (3) A person making an application under subrule (1) must give an undertaking to the court to the effect that the applicant will file originating process commencing the proceedings within such time as the court may order or, if the court makes no such order, within 48 hours after the application is granted.
read this judgment Re: Georgia and Luke No. 2 [NSWSC] (1387) 2008, just go to the NSW supreme court web page and look up Judgments, you need to read the habeas corpus Act and the infants custody and settlement Act look them up on the NET, and then get the summons form 4B, from the Court web site forms and please trust me do not trust a lawyer they waste your money and XXXX with your feelings, a person liberty cannot be restrained without a trail and do not trust the Children’s Court. Believe me. I am the Plaintiff Mr. R in the matter Re: Georgia and Luke No. 2, we are in the process of suing the NSW Department of Community services for gross abuse of powers. If you want us to help I need all the details and any police reports or criminal history, remember go into Court with clean hands you will come out of court with clean hands, if you need to contact me you will be able to find me, i can not give out my info on this service due to suing nsw government DOCS. i will kept a i out on this site. Hang in there i know the feeling
remeber their your souls and spirits not DOCS

Revoke the order RIGHT NOW LADY!!!

Submitted by Delf on Thu, 11/06/2009 - 01:08.

What you do is go to a family law solicitor and revoke the order, that is the term they call it! Now if you let them play this game your children will be wards of the state if they are not already.
Do not ever trust them! do not speak with them. Only speak through your solicitor.
You are an easy target because you have so many children.
You do not need to prove a thing. it is bluff darling.
USE THE LAW NOW!!!
REVOKE THE ORDER!!!

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Re: Revoke the order RIGHT NOW LADY!!!

Submitted by alecomm on Sat, 03/04/2010 - 15:08.

Hi Delf!

I notice you say go to a family law solicitor and have order revoked? I have been pondering this recently with many of the cases where the stolen kids are made wards and family members wiped off their planet basically.

I have been wondering if seen as how docs are the guardian can there be orders at least made for contact and / or can the matter be heard of family court, because even though i never knew how to do it i had an inkling there must be a loophole to get in there because it is a family matter when it comes to contact and i cannot see why docs workers can have final say WITHOUT contact orders on who sees who.

Have you done this before, could you give us advise so i can help my clients? Cheers, Marney - Australian Legislative Ethics Commission www.alecomm.com

Shut Up Cheryle. Dont Be Dumb.

Child welfare abuse

Submitted by Joanna Scriven (not verified) on Tue, 09/06/2009 - 15:58.

I am sorry to hear of your predicament. I too have lost my children to the system. I can give you two websites to check out. The first is power4parents.org, the second is ihategovdept.com. If you haven't got your children back, you are not alone. You are fighting the highest form of corruption.

If you have them back, please add your voice to the mass that is forming. We cannot let them get away with this. I have posted a petition on power4parents.org. Please sign it and get a copy. Have everyone you know sign it. United we stand. Take care.
Jo.

I got mine back in 1991

Submitted by Delf on Thu, 11/06/2009 - 01:14.

Revoke the order through the family law.
Two days after the court case, that was a very brief court case, they dropped the kids off and never looked back at me!
I will tell you the same thing everyday until one of you listens to me.
So 2morow when I get back onto this site...i will say the same truth as I am saying now and the only truth that will ever change a thing, so talk to all again, when I say what I always say...THE TRUTH!!!

What Carers in NSW Sign

Submitted by The Pied Piper on Tue, 28/04/2009 - 13:45.

Schedule 2 Code of Conduct for Authorised Carers
(Clause 23)

1 The home (15 July 2003)
An authorised carer must ensure that the home where the child or young person will reside in out - of-home care is kept safe, clean and in good repair and is properly ventilated, lit and heated.

2 Furniture, furnishings and equipment (15 July 2003)
The home must have:
(a) adequate furniture, furnishings and equipment for use by the children or young persons who reside at the home, having regard to their ages and physical and intellectual development, and
(b) adequate facilities for the preparation,refrigeration and hygienic storage of food and refreshments, and
(c) adequate facilities for the storage of equipment and bedding and for the safe keeping of the children’s outdoor clothes and other personal belongings, and
(d) sufficient equipment suitable for the indoor and outdoor recreational needs of the children, having regard to their ages and physical and intellectual development, and
(e) access to a telephone.

3 Swimming pools (15 July 2003)
Any swimming pool at the home must be adequately fenced in accordance with the Swimming Pools Act 1992.

4 Care of children and young persons (15 July 2003)
The authorised carer must, in relation to each child or young person in out-of-home care, ensure that:
(a) the health, education, safety, welfare, well-being and progress of the child or young person are promoted, and
(b) the child or young person is encouraged to participate, as far as is reasonably practicable, in
the ordinary life of the community, and
(c) the observance by the child or young person of his or her religion (if any) and the preservation of the child’s or young person’s cultural identity are encouraged, and
(d) the same standards of care and discipline are applied to all children and young people residing in the home, and
(e) the child or young person is encouraged to maintain a connection with birth and extended family members and other significant people, as far as it is reasonably practicable and safe to do so.

5 Bedrooms (15 July 2003)
The authorised carer:
(a) must provide adequate sleeping accommodation for each child or young person who resides in out-of-home care, and
(b) must ensure that sleeping accommodation that is provided for a child or young person in out - of-home care is appropriate for the age of the child or young person and takes into account the child’s or young person’s requirements for privacy, and
(c) must ensure that:
(i) each such child or young person is provided with a separate bed or cot, equipped with a clean and comfortable mattress and bed clothing that is appropriate to the climate, and
(ii) adequate facilities are provided for storage of each such child’s or young person’s clothing
and personal belongings.
(iii) linen on each such child’s or young person’s bed or cot is changed weekly (or more frequently if necessary), and

6 Study (15 July 2003)
The authorised carer must ensure that each child or young person who is in out-of-home care and who is attending school or undertaking studies is provided with facilities for quiet study that are adequate, having regard to the age of the child or young person.

7 Health and medical attention (15 July 2003)
(1) The authorised carer must ensure that each child or young person in out-of-home care is supplied with such medical and dental treatment as is necessary.

(2) The authorised carer must, as soon as practicable (and, in any case, within 24 hours) after a child or young person who is in out-of-home care is admitted to hospital, cause notice of that fact
to be given to:
(a) each person who has parental responsibility for the child or young person who can reasonably be located, and
(b) the principal officer of the designated agency having supervisory responsibility for the child or young person.
(3) If a medical practitioner recommends to the authorised carer that the care or treatment of a child or young person in out-of-home care should be varied for reasons of health, the carer must use his or her best endeavours to give effect to the medical practitioner’s recommendation.

8 Children and young persons not to perform unreasonable duties
(15 July 2003)
An authorised carer must not require a child or young person in out-of-home care to perform duties that are unreasonable, having regard to the child’s or young person’s age and physical and intellectual development.

9 Discipline of children and young persons (15 July 2003)
An authorised carer:
(a) must not physically coerce or physically punish a child or young person, and
(b) must, in any event, comply with the behaviour management policy of the designated agency.

10 Animals (15 July 2003)
The designated agency must ensure that any animal kept in the home is kept clean and wellcared for.

11 Discharge of children and young persons (15 July 2003)
An authorised carer in whose care a child or young person has been placed must not discharge the child or young person into the care of any other person, otherwise than:
(a) into the care of:
(i) a member of staff of the designated agency having supervisory responsibility for the child or young person, or
(ii) a person who has parental responsibility for the child or young person, or
(b) with the written consent of the Director-General or the principal officer of the designated agency having supervisory responsibility for the child or young person, or
(c) pursuant to an order of a court having jurisdiction to make orders with respect to parental responsibility for children or young persons.

Good Morning

Submitted by G man (not verified) on Tue, 28/04/2009 - 07:31.

Moderator: G man, a.a@a.com is NOT a valid e-mail address.

Good morning, lovely ladies + Goday to the guys.

Caterpillar Jane.-
I thought, somewhere throughout, this forum
you left a message for me.
Just wanted to say, I couldn’t find it to reply.
No idea why.

Shir and the others likewise.
Might be my own computer playing up.
Where’s my little Dixy Lizy.
Are you ok out there Lizy.

To Natasha and mother-
what can I say? Well for a start Mum
should get her own ID (if Mums is really posting)
It’s very confusing, to follow your posts.
I am rather put off by your cat
fights with the pretty woman.

Now I did read a comment
someplace, where you said
Graham asked too many questions.

Well dear, if Graham, asked you questions,
it was only to fully understand your case.
You shouldn’t be offended by that.
It’s a compliment that people are taking
their time to try to assist.
Kids are not my area but 'law is.
' My sister was the top lawyer in
QLD family law for many years.

From time to time, she might ask
me for, some advice, or make an enquiry.
Some people’s comments are familiar to
what I heard years ago. Hence my interest.
+ Yes I d have some police background to whoever asked.

Natasha, you went onto complain, that I asked
Luke’s Dad it he got compo.
Also if he did what did he spend it on.
Now 'you of all 'people might have
Guessed why I asked.

You sent emails to my
Private address. I was happy to write back,
and offer to listen to your problem.

What did I say to you dear?
I said send my number and I will contact you.
You didn’t respond to my offer
Natasha so there wasn’t much more I could do.

As for the question to Luke’s Dad
Dear, it was a test of ‘your’ honesty.

I wanted to see, if you told me the truth.
As Luke’s Daddy hasn’t replied I can only
```assume you know each other outside the forum.’

Or, Luke’s Dad might have been offended by my question.

To Luke’s Dad - If you put yourself online
with the public then you must be prepared
to be 'totally honest.

FYI one of your happy, little buddies
sent me an email, saying you got 30 g and spent it all on pot.
I wanted to know if that was true.

So I asked you straight up. I repeat the question again now.

Is that true?

It doesn’t mean I will judge you if it is true.
Your Son died and you must be consumed with sorrow.
I am like most blokes. Pretty straight up mate.

Somebody, was talking about starting a
group and getting some funding.
Who was that? Ok there are some funds
available right now if your interested let
me know and I will post the info.
You probably will need to get a form
from fair trading and register a NFP name.

Again I offer to help, whoever it was,that

said they had forms they didn’t know how to fill out.

All your stories say one thing and one thing only.
There are a lot of people feeling desperate out there.

So I am happy to help “(while I am around)” if people are sincere.

I went to a fair bit of bother, for example,

to post the name of the President of Gags-
Grandmother looking after Grandchildren

and some lawyers contacts for somebody in QLD

I would have though a thanks Graham might have been in order.

Good People, we should all be in here to listen and help one another.

I have no problems in this area, so feel free to shoot the messenger if you wish ,but it wont help to feed the hand who bites you.

Please remember- you have no idea of
whom I am or, indeed why I might have
joined your forum
Carry on er, ladies and gentleman.

Hi your case is very similar to mine

Submitted by natasha on Fri, 24/04/2009 - 21:54.

The best bet for you is to get a clinic report (ASAP)and have your lawyer make sure that DOCS don't pull a swiftly and get a bad clinician who does agree with whatever DOCS do.
Make sure your lawyer is very experienced not in family law but care matters.
It is a long road ahead and remember even if you prove there was no concerns the judge will still order you to do anti violence courses and all the rest so start now, even if you have never even raised your voices at each other, please trust me I have been there.

wanna be activist

I to have problems with docs

Submitted by nanna shar (not verified) on Fri, 24/04/2009 - 11:30.

I to have problems with docs but unlike you they would not help my grandson Docs told me to get a intrim order which i did in 2007 the judge had no problem placing my two grandchildren in our care . We are still in court as now there mum has a new partner and my little boy is getting hit by him and he started soiling his pants but docs dont see this as a problem. What they are falsely accusing you and your partner of was and is still happing to my grandson we have photes to prove it . Do you know why only your yongest is in foster care and not with family where the baby should be all i can say is keep fighting i know someone who did and in the end they did win . As all mums,dads, nans,pops who really love there kids and grandkids will never give up

But?

Submitted by The Pied Piper on Fri, 24/04/2009 - 14:51.

Your grandchild is with family not foster parents and this is happening?

Yes it is a huge problem.... go higher up the chain Nana, don't stop at the caseworker.

who is the top solicitor in queensland to use to get my grandchi

Submitted by shirley (not verified) on Fri, 24/04/2009 - 17:03.

we have decided to join my son-in-law in court to get the children to live with us if we are not give kinship care as the grandparents..

who is the best in Brisbane or the Gold Coast??

The family courts have given

Submitted by nanna shar (not verified) on Fri, 24/04/2009 - 15:31.

The family courts have given my daugther unsupervised access this is when it all started. My brother, his wife and my self WILL NOT GIVE UP we should be back in court soon .I even talk to member of parliament they to are happy with what docs say and to get it back to court lets hope the courts can stop it The children have told day care workers about my little man being hit it was always reported and him soiling his pants docs said it is not a concern.ITS NOT THERE CHILDREN OR GRANDCHILDREN SO WHY WOULD THEY CARE

Eh?

Submitted by The Pied Piper on Fri, 24/04/2009 - 21:35.

Trying to get a handle on this.

You have talked to a memeber of parliment and they are happy with DoCS?

Or they want it to go back to court?

Daycare workers may not give a toss... but they do have to report.

See where mandatory reporting helps?

Ihave been reporting to docs

Submitted by nanna shar (not verified) on Fri, 24/04/2009 - 22:29.

Ihave been reporting to docs since my grandson was born from drugs to being homless at two months of age my yongest daughter was present when the father was forces feeding smaking his hands and yelling at him as he did not want the rest of his bottle .For his second birthday he had two blackeyes this was mandatory reported i have photos of this still docs were not concern in 2007 we went to court im sure it was the blackeyes and there mums health for them to place them in our care .The daycare do report every time somthing happens they don,t understand why docs will not help as for member of parliament they said while its in family court they can not do anything .I just hope next time in court they go back to supervised access .When two &four year old kids tell you some one is hitting them and he starts soiling his pants to me it is bad there is no justice if i hit some one i would be charged and in court so why not when kids say some one is hurting them

Yes there is a need for intervention by authorities in cases where children are actually being abused mentally, psychologically and physically. However it should not be left up to Docs workers alone to make these decisions. Professionals such as psychologists,nurses child care workers and 'really caring people' should take on the burden of what happens to the children not lone Docs workers who generally act on allegations and even when not proven go ahead on the same tangent as if the 'allegations' are fact and will not back down even when they are proven wrong to justify their position in the wrongful taking of children.Matters should be treated as criminal and heard as such. Especially the docs workers who lie and exaggerate and mislead so as to perpetuate their case. The children are the ones who suffer and it should be about the children not what the Docs workers "think" may be wrong. I know there are many Docs workers who are genuine and do care about the children however there are some who to justify their position are criminally negligent and should be prosecuted as such.The damage to children is immense. In a lot of cases and the money spent by Docs and the government with ongoing court cases should be redirected to 'help' the children and their families. Prosecute Docs when they are wrong not persecute the children and their loving families!

wanna be activist

DoCS Workers

Submitted by The Pied Piper on Sun, 26/04/2009 - 09:50.

Caseworkers do not act alone, their files are full of reports from nurses and other "caring" professionals.

In the case of Georgia and Luke the judge did pretty much accuse the casworker of being "wrong". They did later get compensated and can now buy huge bags of weed.

This case did highlight just how wrong some caseworkers can be and that of course some of their personalities can lead to the children being unjustly removed from parents.

Court is the ultimate authority on whether or not a child should be in care. We need court and we need the Judges to be more alert.

If caseworkers could be individually prosecuted for getting it "wrong" they would all leave their jobs immediatly.

Something seems to have gone awry within DoCS and the people operating within it but this system is ultimately required.

Funding is going to families at risk. Australia can afford it.

I think it is the Foster System that needs an overhaul. Some children do suffer, some children don't. I think if children are in care the parents should feel and have evidence that they are okay while things are being sorted in court etc. So they can focus without the additional worry of how their kids are doing.

Re: DoCS Workers

Submitted by Ian Troy (not verified) on Thu, 15/09/2011 - 15:36.

I have found out all children in Australia have been taken illegal by using the docs lawyer and before the main trial that docs lawyer is changed to the children lawyer.This a conflict of interest and it has been going on for decades because it happen to me and my family in 2008 and stopped in November last year when I said I was going public.Fight the garage docs things Ian

Try and understand

Submitted by natasha on Fri, 24/04/2009 - 21:47.

The point is that children are suffering and the wrong ones get removed. The kids whose parents know they suck get the OK from DOCS as they are happy to "work with them" and the ones with pride and know they are fine without DOCS are getting the wrath of DOCS. My own lawyer told me this is true.
If DOCS had to get the removal order reviewed by at least three independent bodies then the mandatory report should be removed from the active system when they see it is not true.
When the report is true then several processes should be applied before taking children and putting them with strangers.
It is not so hard and there are community heath centers in every suburb that don't all get docs funding and they are there and available to do such reviews, then a GP that knows the family and counselors and psychologists should carefully check each rem oval order before they rip a family apart. I know this would have stopped my situation.

wanna be activist

Beware of Inquiry

Submitted by natasha on Fri, 24/04/2009 - 00:12.

The extent of the Minister's Inquiry is to ask the case worker!
I was doing urine tests and on a few times I could not attend because I WAS IN COURT and she told the minister I had relapsed on drugs!

wanna be activist

keep fighting

Submitted by Tiffany on Tue, 21/04/2009 - 23:17.

I have been fighting since 13th dec 08 for my son.I have had a court assessment go against me.I had an out of court meeting that was a joke.I have had to fight against three major hospitals.I got an apoligy letter out of one .I am having a meeting with the director of the hospital-the director of the mental health in my area two pychiatrists next week-see I am fighting the police harrassment on me the harrassment from a faulty health system -I am fighting my ex-partner and his family 6 evil sisters and a brother I am fighting against one of the best lawyers in th echild protection courts-I am fighting my past history that docs have brought up since I was 12 years old.I AM fighting affidavits from docs full of lies-I am fighting labels that are incorrect.Its like my last stand win I live -lose- then they win. I am what the system tells me! never in my sole I believe it but the reports say I am docs say I am. corrupt police ignorant doctors they all work together beware the humble councillor that saids tell me everything -as soon as you are gone shes on the phone to docs beware the loyal doctor beware the drug and alcholol councilllor they are all in it together.

Tiffany

There is a place

Submitted by natasha on Fri, 24/04/2009 - 00:21.

I am not sure what it's called but it is for people who DOCS say are having drug/alochol/mental health issues, they love the lables so ask around it is where you can stay with your children, no matter what no one loves like the mother so please hang tight

wanna be activist

So Sorry

Submitted by natasha on Fri, 24/04/2009 - 00:17.

I was more fortunate, I had the best Lawyer was for my kids and he was an ass. I had a great clinic reporter who said the children thrived with me and regressed after docs took em. I had pediatricians and GP's and case workers who visited my home say that when they (NOT DOCS ONES) came the children were very well cared for, ny ability was excellent and even then I had Docs say No recovery until age 18 for each child, I kept going writing everything down and soon you think "who the hell will read all this?" but don't ever give up.... Docs even told my kids that I was not working with them and so they would never go home. Now I have a court orederd restoration so hang in there and contact PRUE GARRARD

wanna be activist

court assesssment

Submitted by Tiffany on Mon, 27/04/2009 - 20:36.

The court assessment I had was done by a man who waved his hands in front of me and intimidated me.Docs had 6 expertly written affidavits for him to look at and I had one.The way the affidavits were written anyone would of thought I was crazy.There was incorrect information in them and I DIDN'T STAND A CHANCE.aLSO He believed everything my ex partner said even after he admitted to smoking ice.He said their was a great possibility that max be restored to him. The clinician has vanished and he is getting a brand new office built for him in another suburb.

Tiffany

Shadow Minister:

Submitted by The Pied Piper on Fri, 24/04/2009 - 07:57.

Good idea Natasha, at least give Pru all the ammo you have right now NSW people.

I have been in contact with her office once and found them very sympathetic where children are concerned.

Contact Details
Address Ms Pru Goward,
288 Bong Bong Street,
BOWRAL NSW 2576
Phone (02) 4861 3623
Fax (02) 4861 3546
Email goulburn@parliament.nsw.gov.au
Shadow Minister for Community Services 28 Dec 2008

pru

Submitted by Tiffany on Tue, 28/04/2009 - 21:47.

PRU IS FOLLOWING MY CASE AND HAS WRITTEN TO THE MINISTER IN BEHALF OF ME i RING HER AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK

Tiffany

Pru Goward

Submitted by The Pied Piper on Tue, 28/04/2009 - 21:54.

I've never spoken to her only her staff.

Do remember that in just about all matters she opposes Linda Burney. Sometimes this may lead to you being used as a weapon.

But I must say I found her staff came across as really caring and with a genuine interest in children.

staff

Submitted by Tiffany on Tue, 28/04/2009 - 23:12.

I havent spoken to her in person either only her staff and your right they are great people who understsand that parents out there are being caught up with the docs fanatics-not saying all docs workers are like that but it seems a lot are and if the case manager is bad the case workers will not be pulled up and they will do as they want.

Tiffany

Can you be contacted?/

Submitted by natasha on Tue, 21/04/2009 - 18:48.

I would like us to all get together and try to make a positive difference that does not just attack Docs as no one will listen to us. We need to offer a better option that can be implemented soon like having police and schools do referrals to places that assess very carefully if the children are at risk, this cannot be done in the one hour it takes Docs to decide to take the most horrible step and remove children from their mummies and daddies!

wanna be activist

Why do people keep making

Submitted by Angel on Sun, 23/08/2009 - 09:26.

Why do people keep making insulting comments about the parents of "Georgia and Luke"?
Even the local member in the papers about a month ago was having a go at the parents as well and was complaining about the supreme court decision which went against DoCS and Judge Palmer ordered that the children be immediately returned. If the parents are recreational dope smokers is irrelevent, the issue was the law itself. The dept only has the legal right to remove children from their usual caregiver if the are not thriving in their home environment. The court clinic at the time assessed that the children under the care of their parents were healthy and that the separation anxiety yhey were going through was damaging them. It is not about a popularity contest if the parents are model citizens. What Judge palmer did was show proper legal interpretation of the Act, common sense (rare for a Judge) and the proper rule of Common law in exercising the Parens Patriae jurisdiction of his Court. What the parents of "Georgia and Luke" did was truly amazing and it has set a precedent which can assist a lot of other parents who are undergoing similar tyranny at the moment. This beaurocracy of fixated family and children destroying psychopaths is going to be brought down and this court decision was the first major step in achieving this. In my mind the parents are heroes which make the david and goliath story look limp and I hope one day i will have the priveledge of shaking their hands. If the anonymous posts at the beginning of this thread of the "Georgia and Luke supreme court judgement" are genuine then the information contained should be checked and taken note of and if there are any parents out there who circumstances are sismilar, then without hesitation take your case to the supreme court as well and give DoCS another legal black eye!

Referrals

Submitted by The Pied Piper on Tue, 21/04/2009 - 19:44.

I think if you were once in an abusive relationship then the police or hospitals you came in to contact with at the time did do the referrals via mandatory reporting.

DoCS files fill up over time.

Any organisation that does independant assessments will eventually become full of people just like you find in the DoCS offices.

Keep thinking. All the ideas are important.

Hey Natasha this is how we do all get together.

Did you check out the other sites?

refferals

Submitted by natasha on Fri, 24/04/2009 - 00:03.

Well the simple issue with my situation was that in the 12 years my children have lived not once had a DR, Hospital, school done a mandatory report, of course there were AVO breaches but that is far from my doing and I had my son in counseling and got a supervised contact order from the family court, I did it all by the book as I have mates who are case workers for other services the big diff is POWER.. I have mates who cannot even keep a house tidy and their kids swear, spit and run riot, yet they are case workewrs, who used to say to me... How do you do it? We never even see you loose it with your kids.. Your house is always so tidy and the kids have everything...Also I think that if a family have many reports from the school or medical staff around them there probably are issues, some of which could be fixed some not, and the last resort should be foster care. Children above certain ages are so miserable and the babies are too young to say but they are lost, but at least they are more loved and better cared for and therefore adapt better then older kids.

wanna be activist

anyone can report

Submitted by Tiffany on Tue, 21/04/2009 - 22:48.

The problem out there is any one can report a parent.Someone on the street who is a junkie can ring docs and make a report about someone and docs will take that report and write it down as evidence in an affidavit and its up to you to prove it is incorrect.They can work on innuendo we the innocent have to come up with evidence to show its wrong.so if someone is jealous of you and your children or envious or bitter or depressed or spiteful or a ex partner or even a disgrumpled ex boss we are in danger!If you have a beautiful relationship with your child and are doing well watch out if you just recieved some money watch out if you got rid of someone who was negative in your life watch out if you said no to someone watch out.

Tiffany

anyone can report

Submitted by natasha on Fri, 24/04/2009 - 00:07.

The trouble is that even when someone has every reason to want revenge like my ex and family as I had him charged for his 70th AVO breach and attempt sexual assault, so they started making up all sort of things that al of a sudden I have to prove wrong!!
Apparently I was in a mental Institution! I must have been really mad as I don't remember and there is no medicare file for it either so DOCS say "Oh maybe you were a private patient!"
Now I have to go to a psychiatrist even after 2 psychologists and my GP said I had no mental issues!

wanna be activist

NWO's picture

Hair trigger government departments

Submitted by NWO on Tue, 28/04/2009 - 19:03.

"The trouble is that even when someone has every reason to want revenge like my ex and family as I had him charged for his 70th AVO breach and attempt sexual assault, so they started making up all sort of things that al of a sudden I have to prove wrong!!"

Yes we have a hair trigger child safety unit and police department and 22 million fingers ready to dial for a dob.

I would expect it only takes one out of 21 million people to play games using these hair trigger departments.

HELP IS OUT THERE BUT NOT ENOUGH

Submitted by natasha on Mon, 20/04/2009 - 23:08.

Hi, I have long been going through the Docs roller coaster. Sadly you can't fight them, you have to bow to their absolute abuse of power, They have your life in their grimy hands - your children!
I had left my partner in 2003 yet I am being forced to see DV courses and do hoops for them to get the children that should never have been taken back home!
The children are now in a home with real domestic violence but that is where Docs put them so its Ok! A joke! My 3 year old comes to visits with bruises each week, and they say, oh well she must be active, you know... They are lairs and cheats and they work for the devil himself!
But all in all and from one who has discovered that children's court is a farce try to kiss the ass of the devil! Sorry but I have tried and even with help I still ended up having to "work with the department" but always have proof, as they will try and say you will not work with them!

wanna be activist

Post from Graham

Submitted by The Pied Piper on Tue, 28/04/2009 - 07:33.

He's stuck somewhere and can't post:

Good morning, lovely ladies + Goday to the guys.

Caterpillar Jane.-
I thought, somewhere throughout, this forum
you left a message for me.
Just wanted to say, I couldn’t find it to reply.
No idea why.

Shir and the others likewise.
Might be my own computer playing up.
Where’s my little Dixy Lizy.
Are you ok out there Lizy.

To Natasha and mother-
what can I say? Well for a start Mum
should get her own ID (if Mums is really posting)
It’s very confusing, to follow your posts.
I am rather put off by your cat
fights with the pretty woman.

Now I did read a comment
someplace, where you said
Graham asked too many questions.

Well dear, if Graham, asked you questions,
it was only to fully understand your case.
You shouldn’t be offended by that.
It’s a compliment that people are taking
their time to try to assist.
Kids are not my area but 'law is.
' My sister was the top lawyer in
QLD family law for many years.

From time to time, she might ask
me for, some advice, or make an enquiry.
Some people’s comments are familiar to
what I heard years ago. Hence my interest.
+ Yes I d have some police background to whoever asked.

Natasha, you went onto complain, that I asked
Luke’s Dad it he got compo.
Also if he did what did he spend it on.
Now 'you of all 'people might have
Guessed why I asked.

You sent emails to my
Private address. I was happy to write back,
and offer to listen to your problem.

What did I say to you dear?
I said send my number and I will contact you.
You didn’t respond to my offer
Natasha so there wasn’t much more I could do.

As for the question to Luke’s Dad
Dear, it was a test of ‘your’ honesty.

I wanted to see, if you told me the truth.
As Luke’s Daddy hasn’t replied I can only
```assume you know each other outside the forum.’

Or, Luke’s Dad might have been offended by my question.

To Luke’s Dad - If you put yourself online
with the public then you must be prepared
to be 'totally honest.

FYI one of your happy, little buddies
sent me an email, saying you got 30 g and spent it all on pot.
I wanted to know if that was true.

So I asked you straight up. I repeat the question again now.

Is that true?

It doesn’t mean I will judge you if it is true.
Your Son died and you must be consumed with sorrow.
I am like most blokes. Pretty straight up mate.

Somebody, was talking about starting a
group and getting some funding.
Who was that? Ok there are some funds
available right now if your interested let
me know and I will post the info.
You probably will need to get a form
from fair trading and register a NFP name.

Again I offer to help, whoever it was,that

said they had forms they didn’t know how to fill out.

All your stories say one thing and one thing only.
There are a lot of people feeling desperate out there.

So I am happy to help “(while I am around)” if people are sincere.

I went to a fair bit of bother, for example,

to post the name of the President of Gags-
Grandmother looking after Grandchildren

and some lawyers contacts for somebody in QLD

I would have though a thanks Graham might have been in order.

Good People, we should all be in here to listen and help one another.

I have no problems in this area, so feel free to shoot the messenger if you wish ,but it wont help to feed the hand who bites you.

Please remember- you have no idea of
whom I am or, indeed why I might have
joined your forum
Carry on er, ladies and gentleman.

Tasha go easy

Submitted by The Pied Piper on Mon, 20/04/2009 - 23:25.

Slow down. It all sounds horrible and you have my every sympathy.

Just hang in there and without names just let us know what the caseworkers want you to be doing now. Is there a plan for your children to come home again?

Are the kids together? How long have they been where they are?

Please, if that is your baby girl in the photo don't post it online.

I'm Not that silly

Submitted by natasha on Mon, 20/04/2009 - 23:35.

The pic is very old and it does not show what my child appears now, she would not be exposed.

wanna be activist

There is a myriad of hoops

Submitted by natasha on Mon, 20/04/2009 - 23:33.

There is a myriad of hoops that i have already jumped and have to keep doing so but I am stronger than you may think and I will get my children back
I have to repeat the drug tests that i have already done 8 months of clean tests, domestic violence courses even though I separated in 2003, and am single have been for 5 years, and even though I have been assessed by 3 medical experts as having no mental illness i have to see a docs psychologist, and then i have to do SCARBA, Family something or other that they have still not told me what it is, and then maybe they will get my children out of the place where they have been witnessing fighting and drinking and getting bruises that are on the rear upper thighs.... Watch the news the story is gonna be there when I am not in fear anymore, as the political editor has reviewed my evidence and is on hold for the story.

wanna be activist

I don't know if this will get posted....

Submitted by ifitwasn'tsoseriousitwouldbefunny (not verified) on Wed, 29/04/2009 - 21:25.

Hello,
I am still reading this all most days. Graham you stirer you - I can see you enjoy playing with people here. One minute you empathise and then next you are winding them up with your comments. I am not going to take your bait and try and justify myself to your comments.
(Actually I wish I did have lots of children and lived on welfare!)

Now it does take around 10 hours to pass someone as a foster carer and around 3 hours (of assessments) to pass someone as a kinship carer. I have two friends who do this kind of work assessing people - they are psychologists.

Ms Catapillar, that is just the most amazing story. I have no reason why NOT to believe you. As a nurse I can imagine you and your son fronting up to A & E and the interns freaking out by your presentation and story and decide that you must have 'speed sores' and are suffering from a drug induced psychosis. Yep, I can imagine it. One must rule out organicity before dishing out the psychiatric label and psych. treatment - hence the anti-psychotics that they would have given you.
I am very interested to follow your story as I would like to see what you do about the negligence by the hospital. You sound like you have a case - that is one for a 'no pay, no win' (or was it no win no fee - whatever?) type solicitor.

To me it paints the picture that docs have such a f**ked up process that they can't stop the machine once it starts and yes, it has to confabulate to justify it's actions.

And NWO, I want you to know that I for one have a lot of respect for you despite what old Graham is trying to throw at you. Rise up above an old stirrer like him. I am in solidarity with NWO.

Graham, I am more concerned about the debt we go into for that stimulus package - that is more my concerns. That problem of only a proportion of Aussie working to pay for the others on welfare is an old problem. And I say, thank God we have such a safety net in Australia. I have gone around those third world countries in my past life and I can actually remember thinking I was glad I was an Aussie.

In my spare time yesterday I rang my local DChS office. Why? Am I stupid? (yes) but I asked them if my son was deemed at risk and nothing has changed then does he still remain at risk? I talked at length to some very patient intake officer and she said she would document this in my/son's file. I said please do and gladly gave her my name.

I spoke with a solicitor as well who said that I cannot take a CSO to court. You actually take the whole of the DChS to court (IHGD told me you can independently take the CSO to court for lying). Well, if that is the case (that you are up against the whole department) then kiss your house good bye as no little person can win against the state?!
My rationale - I just have to find out for myself. And I must tell you the solicitor sounded inpatient with me, like I was wasting her time.

Who knows what this world will be like when my son is an adult.
One thing for sure though, I want him to know and have evidence that I tried all I could to expose the corruption of DChS that touched his life.

Quick Question IIWSSIWBF;

Submitted by The Pied Piper on Thu, 30/04/2009 - 16:31.

[Now it does take around 10 hours to pass someone as a foster carer and around 3 hours (of assessments) to pass someone as a kinship carer. I have two friends who do this kind of work assessing people - they are psychologists.]

Is this in Queensland?

Where are the Western Aussies and NT Aussies - never seem to see them.

yes Jewely, in the state of Q'ld.

Submitted by ifitwasn'tsoseriousitwouldbefunny (not verified) on Thu, 30/04/2009 - 20:13.

Hi Jewely,

I talk only about in the state of Queensland.
One of the persons who does this work is a registered psychologist and is contracted by DChS to undertake the assessments and the other is employed by Pathways or some name like that. I haven't spoken to the later person for some time.
Both know me personally and were blown away when I came clean that docs had taken my son off me. One of these psychologists I know really well and I often used to babysit their children for them in both my home and theirs.

Queensland

Submitted by The Pied Piper on Fri, 01/05/2009 - 18:47.

The sites that are around, altnews, P4P, IHGD. Are they all Queensland based?

NSW takes a bit longer, 40 hours I guess. But no shrinks (that I knew of).

I wish you all kept the same names between sites, it takes me a lot longer these days to work out who each person is.

What was the reason given why they took your son? How long was he gone?

One of the sites should have a simple list:
Age
Number of Children
Reason (also to be known as List of Lies round here)
How long gone.

I have a kid, 6 year old boy I have known for ages and looked after regularly. A year ago he was on Ritalin for a few weeks, I have no idea why. Now after some very bad behaviour at school he is on Catapres for Oppositional Defiant Disorder.

Sorry just to throw that at you but does it seem weird to you at first glance? He is fine here, no behaviour like he seems to be displaying at home (kinship care for whole life)and school.

God Speed

Submitted by The Pied Piper on Mon, 20/04/2009 - 23:40.

I hadn't heard of scarba either so went and looked it up:

http://www.bensoc.org.au/director/whatwedo/findaservice.cfm?item_id=EF65...

Okay Natasha I hope all goes well for you and I look forward to hearing about it on the news when you have everything done and dusted.

But do remove the photo, don't give anyone any ammunition to use against you right now if you are so close to your childrens' return.

And go get some sleep, sounds like you will need it.

protesting against docs

Submitted by christine cook (not verified) on Fri, 19/09/2008 - 22:25.

anti docs protest raymond terrace thursday 25th 2008 at the old football field behind raymond terrace market place then marching on to the docs office 10 am -11 to what ever time it is ixstinguaged i think im prepared to sleep out front until i get my kids back i tell ya but i wont lol as they would use that as insane as im sure everyone that has had anything to do with docs would know they use everything good against you if im sad they have my children im emotioally unstable if i dont cry i dont care if i breathe i dont have time for my kids if i dont breathe i have to much on my plate its all a catch 22 really please pass this message on to anyone and everyone thanking u miss christine cook .........

Try to contact the opposition minister for DOCS

Submitted by natasha on Mon, 20/04/2009 - 23:13.

I know its hard but I have not had my 3 babies for 6 months, they have been sexually abused by the faster "carers" and placed in harms way by Docs placements, but trust me when I say don't let them know they upset you! That's what they want, they are power abusers and to win even a complete victory in the courts, would mean that the judge will tell you that you have to accept the direction of the departemnt, so try to swallow all the pride of knowing your the best mother the children coulds ever have and beg the buggers to "work together for the sake of the children" and always have a witness on hand who is credible as they lie too.

wanna be activist

I am sorry Natasha

Submitted by ifitwasn'tsoseriousitwouldbefunny (not verified) on Tue, 21/04/2009 - 07:22.

Natasha, I am sorry for what is happening in your world at present. I have been there too.
Watch the lying in court - it is the liars who win. Document all the way through. Every day, every little bit. I taped them on phone and have some bizzare conversations recorded with these docs workers.
I ended up putting in an 80 page complaint at the end of it all. Now it is all in some independent enquiry. Yet nothing changed in my life - in fact it is worse than before - and watch your family try and side with the winning team (that is docs and join in on the crucifying of your character) and then switch to saying to you at the end when the children come home 'oh we knew docs had it all wrong and they were putting words in our mouths when docs quoted us as saying ..... in their affidavit material' yet these family members didn't have the guts to stand up and write back that they didn't quote these things at all.
These dealings with docs pull families apart and the fall out lingers on for years, yet docs then move onto their next victims to wreak havoc.

I am with you Natasha - it is hell for you at the moment.

Sorry but Inquiry Ha

Submitted by natasha on Fri, 24/04/2009 - 00:09.

I had many inquiries done too but guess what they did for an inquiry? JUST ASKED THE CASE WORKER!

wanna be activist

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Re: Sorry but Inquiry Ha

Submitted by alecomm on Thu, 04/02/2010 - 11:26.

we need numbers. please check my site and send details tash. im going for sentencing. all we need is numbers and proof which i know we all have. marney alecomm.com

Shut Up Cheryle. Dont Be Dumb.

Hi. By now CPS have probably

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 02/08/2008 - 22:33.

Hi. By now CPS have probably had their adjournment which means they have done nothing and need more time to do something as they are overworked. They will likely have another adjournment agter this one. Your first question is will they take your newborn child. Most likely the answer is yes under the 'likelihood of harm' accusation. If your children mentioned abuse it is policy to notify CPS. Schools are manditory reporters. I would not be surprised if your school made a notification. I would recommend you obtaining the services of a good lawyer as CPS will be looking to have their case PROVEN. That means the accusation of abuse, or exposure to abuse is founded. A good lawyer will fight this otherwise this could have dire consequences for your family for many years to come..It may seem quicker to agree and sign forms at court with a promise from CPS that your children will be returned to your care but this may be a lie and could take months or years. Right now you need to consider having your newborn remain in your care. This may sound harsh but maybe necessary for your husband to move out or for you to move in with your mother/sister or friend otherwise most likely there could be a bedside hearing while you are in hospital. Please get legal advise and fast. Have you asked your worker if they are intending on taking your newborn? You will need to ask. Good luck

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Re: Hi. By now CPS have probably

Submitted by alecomm on Wed, 03/02/2010 - 10:13.

they are not overworked, they simply fill their books with bullshit cases, and this is what takes their time. do not under any circumstances have your baby at your local hospital under your name. go to another hospital and get somebodies medicare card that you know and trsut and hav ethe baby under another name. i repeat DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE THAT BABY IN THAT HOSPITAL.

As soon as you arrive to have baby they will notify docs that you are preparing to have birth (this is filed as a risk of harm report), when you have baby they will file another risk of harm report and within hours they will seize your newborn and take him or her hostage.

i agree with anonymous above, do not enter into agreements because it is not quicker, we did htat and they still dragged our case out over 5 months after taking my daughter when she was 2 hours old.

go to another hospital and have that nbaby under another name or you will lose her.

do not consent to undertakings and have your solicitor request immediate hearing because the judges seeem to side with docs and sent hearings after a possible date to sign undertakings, they're all in cohoots together.

argue your case immediately showing that theres no evidence of abuse or harm and im sure by now you will probably have affidavits that are full of shit by docs workers. i can have a look at them and scrutinise them and pickem apart if you like, plus you can also look on our site www.alecomm.com under legislation and guidelines taht are commonly breached by docs workers that may help you too.

you can talk to me anytime on 0403328321 or home 0243992528 though im on hols at moment in vic.

you can also help by taking day off on 24 feb and rallying with us at parliament khouse sydney.

name your abusers on our site, with which i have jsut opened our forms for today, these are preliminary and to get people to start coming out of the woodwork before the rally. there will be afurther form to fill in once we finish gathering enough legislation etc to make as big a case as possible to take to icac and national crime authority,a nd believe me, after looking at the legislation under docs for dummies, you will see that so long as we all put our names down (or at least oura busers first) we will have that power.

chin up and stay strong,
marney macdonald
australian legislative ethics commission

Shut Up Cheryle. Dont Be Dumb.

Re: Hi. By now CPS have probably

Submitted by jblair09 on Wed, 03/02/2010 - 10:57.

Have you written a letter of recind, it is when you recinde the letter of intake they had you sign, if you recind that they have to hand children back in 48hrs or have legal paperwork to support their concerns by a judge. This I was informed by a senor prac in dept /o/c/s

Jblair09

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