Devil's Advocate
Sat, 16/08/2008 - 10:59
We have three major social services: Health, education and welfare. In all three, the demands of the job are becoming harder, and burn-out within the first few years is increasingly common.
The most difficult, the worst paid and the least appreciated is being a social worker.
To a large extent it is the social worker's own fault - they are the least professionalised and the least unionised.
ex-public servant
Sat, 13/09/2008 - 17:52
#2
Hey Julie!
You sound like Julie from the aus-city forum, Are you doing the forum trolls are you?
http://www.aus-city.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=39...
Thu, 11/09/2008 - 11:05
#3
You suffer
That is a load of rubbish.
When people lie blatantly, abuse your children as per section 9 of the Act, and just don't care less, how can you say what you are saying. DoCS then walk away with no apology.
Let it happen to you. Experience is the true educator.
"Stop putting the blame on others because if parents treated children with the love and respect that they deserve there wouldn't be a need for agencies such as those mentioned above."
We gave love and respect and DoCS went rabid. That comment is sick !!!!!!!!!! A sick assumption. When they get it wrong families are damaged beyond your imagination. Where are DoCS then. GONE !!!!!!!!!
You must be a DoCS worker. Figures.
You have no idea what you are talking about. I am so angry.
Sun, 14/09/2008 - 16:47
#4
I'm confused...did DOCS abuse
I'm confused...did DOCS abuse your children as per section 9 of the Child Protection Act 1999 (and if so how?) or did someone else??
Sat, 13/09/2008 - 22:07
#5
Don't make assumptions about
Don't make assumptions about me. I'm a parent who does the right thing and who has nothing to do with these government agencies other than to know that they exist. And exist for a reason at that. Perhaps I'm just more educated that you, who knows.
I could just as easily assume that you're one of those parents who put the blame on others and who continue to play the victim, expecting everyone else to fix the problems in your life that are probably generational and that if you weren't adult enough to stop the cycle from affecting your children then goverment departments had to.
BTW my husband wants to know if you live in the Blue Mountains.
Sat, 16/08/2008 - 11:08
#6
Burn out
If you work for DOCS you will get burnt out! Yes Burnt out when the Social workers get sent to hell where most of them deserve to be.
Sun, 14/09/2008 - 04:23
#7
Guess the only place for
Guess the only place for parents who abuse or neglect their children is either gaol or being sent home alone without their children - exactly where most of them deserve to be.
Sat, 16/08/2008 - 14:50
#8
No, I don,t work for DOCS
No, I don,t work for DOCS (which doesn't mean I won't get burned....).
My experience is from a review I did of a large social work organisation, which resulted in then then COO being told to take early retirement (and she was a nice person too). What I found then was that most social work managers had poor management systems, and most social workers didn't have the skills needed to do their job effectively, especially the ability to take the emotional truama they faced each day.
Many nursing positions and teaching jobs are also emotionally draining, but it is nothing compared to social work. Cops put on an armour of hardness and arrogance (which does help prevent immediate violence). However, the caring professions aren't allowed to do that.
Social workers are poorly paid and provide an essential public service that very few people will ever even consider doing. They do not deserve to be publicly vilified. They are public servants in the truest sense of the word.
Thu, 11/09/2008 - 11:11
#9
You are an academic then !
Your comments show you don't care about children or are just ignorant.
You ignore DoCS ubiquitous stuff ups.
WHAT ABOUT THOSE CHILDREN ?
Is it fair to save half and destroy half.
That was my solicitors summation.
A DoCS worker told us that children on the streets is fine over the age of 15.
Have you children. You may change your attitude in time. Look at the probability with the numbers.
You may be loving, respectful but it doesn't mean a thing to these idiots at DoCS.
One bad neighbour or ex friend, spouse etc. and you will be singing another tune.
Sun, 14/09/2008 - 04:10
#10
The fact that you even needed
The fact that you even needed a solicitor says a lot.
I know that malicious reports can be made however I also know that while a government Department may make a recommendation, it's up to the courts to either agree or disagree with what the Dept. recommends.
I also know enough about the court system to know that if the matter even made it to court you're not as squeekly clean as you'd like to think.
As for not caring about children or being ignorant, who's the one who had to go to court to prove that they're a fit parent? Not me. That speaks volumes in itself really.
Thu, 25/09/2008 - 20:33
#11
I am sorry but you have it quite wrong!
Hello,
Someone has gotta tell you. You have it quite wrong. I have seen the actions of DOCS. I know some parents are needing lots of help - I see that a lot. But someone's gotta tell you that DOCS are not squeaky clean.
Notifications get made in all sorts of ways and then you are dragged into court. DOCS don't paint the full picture, they just look for dirt to sling at you and make you out to be some shocker of a parent. So of course you have to get legal assistance, there is no way you could represent yourself at the mercy of DOCS accusations.
Best to tape all phone calls, get a GOOD solicitor, document everything and ask DOCS to put all there requests from you in writing.
Don't be fooled, this organisations has no ethics, no accountability and no real cares for children's welfare.
I am a professional and I see it time and time again.
Thu, 25/09/2008 - 12:06
#12
Read "Thinking about becoming a foster carer"
Someone here thinks you are Julie, but you do sound and awful lot like "Nope" and "Obnoxious and Smug". Perhaps we can call you "Arrogant", because that name would fit the bill just as well.
You are arrogant in believing that the injustice dished out by DOCS to some innocent parents and their innocent children could never happen to you. Just tell yourself as often as you possibly can, "There, but for the grace of God, go I".
On "Thinking about becoming a foster carer" another poster said--
"And to that woman who wrote she is glad she will never be in that situation... well one never knows what happens in life - never say never - you are tempting fate!" These words are true, so watch yourself, some lessons in life are hard learnt.
Thu, 25/09/2008 - 14:30
#13
I dont know who Julie is or
I dont know who Julie is or who nope or obnoxious or smug are. I do have a name for you though - Bitter and twisted seems to fit the bill pretty well.
From what I've read of your entries on this forum site, you're full of venom. I wouldn't worry about giving advice to people who don't need it. Worry about your own problems with your own disfunctional family and leave everyone else alone.
Fri, 26/09/2008 - 10:04
#14
The misfit Julie
This Julie seems to get around, It is on the aus-city forum and now it lives here. What over sites have you haunted Julie.
Sat, 27/09/2008 - 07:58
#15
If ur more comfortable
If ur more comfortable thinking that I'm Julie go for it! I don't care what you call me really. Doesn't change the fact that most of the people who have issues with government departments are the ones who can't toe the line, put themselves first and abuse their children. As for the 'professionals' who claim to know soooooooo much about DoCS, if they did their job properly and assisted families before the issues escalated to child protection then maybe DoCS wouldn't need to work in such crisis mode.
Sat, 27/09/2008 - 08:55
#16
Hello,
Why are you still
Hello,
Why are you still trying to bait people?
As I have said before attack me if you have to pick on someone. I am happy to square up to idiots like you.
Actually, why don't you piss off and find another forum to annoy people. You are not constructive but out to attack and pull people down.
Have a great weekend - I am.
Sat, 27/09/2008 - 12:38
#17
So if I don't agree with what
So if I don't agree with what you and your groupies think then I must just be out to attack people. Are you so pig headed to think that ur way is the only way or that ur opinion is the only one that matters?
I didn't realize that this forum was onlyfor ppl who agreed with the majority or those who supported parents abusing their children.
And stop trying to be the hero. Its not a matter of picking on ppl at all, its a matter of my opinion being different to urs and the fact that u can't handle someone supporting the children and not the parents. Its not about the parents ot the CSO's or the Departments, its about the children - something u seem to have lost sight of.
Thu, 25/09/2008 - 20:44
#18
Attn: Julie or nope or whoever you are
Hello,
I must comment from what I have observed from reading this stuff is that you are the one who seems bitter and twisted!
I think Beenthere might be suffering a bit from an adjustment/ grief type thing - the after math of DOCS interventions in one's family. There should be a name for this in the next DSM.
Truely I wonder why you are so nasty to this woman? Are you hiding something like you are one of those ex punitive CSO type persons? Why do you keep going into bat for DOCS policies and staff?
I'm not stupid I work closely with DOCS and see what is going on. People are starting to wake up to this organisation and I think you should get you head out of your arse and get real!
Attack me if you have to attack anyone and leave old Been there alone. This woman has been through heaps and this is probably the only place she can vent her dispair, disbelief at what's happened.
I totally empathise with you Beenthere and would even like to chat with you some more.
Cheers,
The sharing caring community health worker.
Fri, 26/09/2008 - 03:23
#19
A sharing and caring
A sharing and caring community health worker? lets have a group hug huh?
Ur not stupid? i think the jury is still out on that 1.
Maybe it's not that I go to bat for the government department but rather I go to bat against parents who abuse there children. I'm sure if u look hard enough you'll find a diagnosis in the DSMIV but criminal sounds just about right for parents who abuse their children.
Cheers!
Not julie, nope, obnoxious, smug, ex punitive CSO type person or bitter and twisted
Thu, 25/09/2008 - 15:17
#20
To: Bitter and venomous.
Well, I do believe you've named yourself. "Arrogant" is too good for someone so pathetic and deeply ignorant as you. You are just a sad little sniper and not worth the time and bother.
Thu, 25/09/2008 - 17:00
#21
Ahh but you can't help but
Ahh but you can't help but reply, big mouth!
I don't get why you need to label people. What are you, five years old? Grow up!
Tue, 23/09/2008 - 18:59
#22
It's sad you paint parents
It's sad you paint parents with such a broad term of a bad picture but don't do this with Dchs...Just as there are inexperienced CSO's there are also inexperienced parents needing help and maybe there should be help given not abuse, intimidation and threats!
There have been good CSO's, it's the bad ones in rank positions that burn the good CSO's out forcing them to leave and preventing honest cases for really abused children and also then preventing help for struggling parents! Isn't that the point of Child Safety? I thought it was + accountability and transparency - what a joke
Mon, 18/08/2008 - 16:45
#23
Social Workers
Social workers that work for DOCS are Animals!
The others get my respect as I had a social worker visiting me during times when things were a little tough and I RESPECTED her for it,
I personally know one Male social worker that looks after old people and men and women that have tried to commit suicide because of family matters (DOCS related).
If there is a heaven these people deserve to get a front seat because they deserve it even with low wages.
But those bitches from hell that call themselves Social workers that work for DOCS and get a huge wage for screwing people lives they will get a front row seat in HELL!.
Sun, 14/09/2008 - 16:43
#24
They don't get a huge wage
They don't get a huge wage actually. They're paid pretty poorly for thw work that they have to do and the abuse, death threats and emotional torture they have to deal with every day.
It's funny, I've read the posts in which people complain about Government Departments, especially DoCS and find it ironic that no where in the equation people are mentioning what's in the best interest of the children. Many of you guys complain and whinge that you've been treated unfairly by a government department but most are also the first to put the responsibility onto someone else. Why is it that most people can not recognise the hard work and dedication that it takes to put children first? It's often left to professionals in the health department, Police Department and DoCS to make the children the first priority cos God knows that if the parents did that, there wouldn't be a need for agencies such as DoCS. So look in the mirror and look closely at what stares back at you..are you part of the problem or part of the solution? Stop putting the blame on others because if parents treated children with the love and respect that they deserve there wouldn't be a need for agencies such as those mentioned above.