Yeah! so say you! We are not talking about the children who need to be removed from an horrendous situation. We are talking about children who are removed with no intervention and the children have made no disclosures no matter how hard the Department have tried. We are tallking about Workers who do not have the Best Interests of The Children anywhere on their agenda because they have lied deceived made many false and misleading statements to Doctors Children's Solicitors and to the Court so much so that the Magistrate believes the lies the Department have told.
We are talking about once the Department takes the children there is no Child Protection for them in their new approved by the Department Placement evidenced by when the parents and the children report the Violence, Domestic Violence, sexual, physical mental and psychological abuses they are suffering in their new placement The Department does nothing!
These children are traumatised by the very Department who pretends that they are doing good instead this Department are creating more harm and long term problems than ever possible to these innocent children.
I am sure you would not approve of this type of behaviour!
Nobody on this site claims to be perfect but what they do claim is that they love their children and are incensed by the treatment of their children and them by this tyrannical far too powerful untruthful, uncaring uncompassionate, unethical Department.
Of course there would be good caring workers in this Department but we have been fatefully unlucky to get the these XX@#@&XX^#X ones.The children are the ones suffering the most>
Unfortunately your Department does see some very sad and bad situations but don't you dare put everyone in the same category.
These children were doing well and loved and did not need SAVING.
Who is going to save them from your Department>
Don't spruik your values because they don't even come into play in a lot of situations. That is the trouble with the Department they generalise and think everyone is like "Mommie Dearest."

Oh dear FSA worker, you are brave.

I think what you may be missing is the very thing you state:

"...but that is because people are running it and mistakes are inevitably going to be made."

Once mistakes are made a world of damage is done. For this there is no defence. You must agree that there are no acceptable apologies for the harm done although I doubt anyone has recieved a sorry or heard any confirmation of wrong doing.

I also do not believe there is some evil plot in place to remove children and then continue to damage them post-placement by government. But it happens often and whether planned or not makes no difference to anyone made the victim.

Your defence of the department seems to be one of good intentions and we all know where that path leads.

But let me check one thing about SA that appears to be the case in NSW. Do your NGO's also not want to place children with their carers long term if the children have more than 6 visits a year with their biological families?

Because I suspect that NGO's policies are upheld even if in direct opposition with government department policy.

Said like the perfect Ministerial apologist!

Why is it that people who claim the Department is all good, virtuous, benevolent and infallible never have the guts or decency to put their name to such posts??

With respect, as a S/Wkr with Families SA u cant objectively assert as fact that removal takes place ONLY in abuse cases when we know many things, including that: strong financial incentives exist to remove children; the Family Preservt'n Model as required by the Manual of Practice is never enforced; the Youth Court WILL NOT hold S/Wkrs to account... See More - claiming not to have jurisdictn as FSA is "not on trial"; Family Care Meetings require that "[families] accept that FSA have legitimate concerns...THE MEETING MAY NOT BE USED TO CHALLENGE FSA ABOUT WHAT THEY SAY"; & the Full Supreme Court ruled the Crown DOES NOT OWE parents a Duty of Care (DOC) at all. You say the YC "examines" evidence. No it does not. It only accepts the Dept's evidence but it wont challenge the Dept, therefore, it unquestioningly accepts Deptl lies also. So much for the fair and transparent trail - which, incidentally, friends and family of victims can't attend. No witnesses, no victim, no crime - right!?

The State's courts have a convention of refusing to affirm that child protection authorities & Crown owe a DOC 'even to the child'. No-one has ever been successful in a ruling to the contrary - not even a member of the Stolen Generation nor a former State Ward before the Mulligan Inquiry. Whilst S/Wkrs pay lip service on the importance of F/Carers,your peers regularly shaft F/ Carers with the same treatment dished out to natural family members - only they have NO RECOURSE to the Courts! Most targeted are those who care for a child with a disability

Would it really piss u off to know your most senior S/Wkrs is NOT qualified & doesn't know models & S/Wk theories!? It should! So who regulates your practice, then? Have u ever researched why your Quality Assurance Unit was shut down only a few short years after the Cooper Report recommended it? If u have ever devised or implemented a FP Plan & followed the MOP, then hide it and tell no-one... u could be targeted & ear-marked for dismissal by your execs.

Whilst the Stolen Generation were stolen for the colour of their skin, for countless decades it was emphatically denied as the reason, rather it was carried out under the guise of "the child's best interests" for assimilation - never on skin colour alone! The criteria for the Foster Generation now is pissing off the S/Wkr & challenging their malpractice.

The S/Wkrs objective in the Foster Generation has 3 main features: 1) to destroy or restructure the pre-intervention family, 2) take children as far away from relative carers & 3) perpetuate multiple Foster placements. To trigger that requires the parent/ carer to do no more than dare to complain about the lack of transparency and due process as per the MOP; which incidentally ur Ministers, past and present, claim not to have to enforce. The real travesty is that S/Wkrs who do the wrong thing & remain faithful to the Minister get promoted VERY, VERY FAST, quid pro-quo!

Anytime you wish, Id be happy to put you in touch with children & F/Carers who have been DAMAGED - not helped - by the conduct of the Dept. Tell THEM that only good reasons were given to the YC for decimating their families. Tell them that they are isolated cases & that most of what FSA does is great, benevolent work that is justifiable...

You make the point very succinctly, Sarah, and sadly there is an entirely new, fresh generation of others coming out in the score just like you... the Social Workers are not learning from the past. They just move on to find new victims all in the self-righteous premise of acting "in the childs best interests" (aka. What I say goes). Yes, sometime... See more kids need to be removed, but mostly they need to have their families helped stay strong and functional. If the S/Wkrs has to walk a mile in your shoes, I wonder what they would chose to do instead.

What the Dept doesn't get is you cant help families sitting in an office and refusing to "get your hands dirty". Easy to dictate to a family to manage their finances whilst sitting in a middle-class suburb on full pay, but come down and see how far a pension stretches for a grandmother caring for her kids and grandkids on no assets, but then being told you're not good enough to care for them at all... its evil!

Having worked for the Department I can honestly say that Families SA (FSA) DO NOT remove children from families unless abuse/neglect is PROVEN.

What a load of shit, See if this rings a bell, to how you and your sick dept manipulate.
Remember july of 2008 ? in parafield gardens, 11 children,rah,rah.that happened on a sunday, even made ACA news.
Well,2 days before that, being a friday, you dogs came to a normal stable home, with police, with no questioning to why you are there, FSA then orders the X partner to kick me out on the streets or she will lose the children, when she refused, The children and the mother wrote affidavits,stating there was no abuse of any kind.
Yet FSA Ordered the police to charge me with trespassing. even then FSA still abused the children and the mother, till the mother dumped me on Xmas eve. nice one, ay, murder children, murder love. must be real proud of yourself.

I told you retards, dont be like QLD and get it wrong, do the true investigation and get it right, but, oh!!, no, just came and murdered.

I saw how many homeless kids roamed the streets, why isnt FSA helping them..huh,? no profit,in it for FSA.
While im on a roll, what about that child that went to the Adelaide zoo, killed a bird, and hes only punishment was a all paid air trip to NSW to his mom...Nice one.

I will agree on one thing, There is child/ren out there being abused in a format, as to does FSA abuse/neglects/murders/molesters the child/ren in their care.

I can promise FSA this, As soon as I win here, I am coming there and I am going to shatter every foundation of FSA, I will prove that corruption of the slims in FSA.

Consider this a warning.

Dear Families SA worker,

I don't know if you still work for FSA or if you are one of the many who have left the dept. You clearly didn't work for the dept for very long or you don't know processes very well. Please learn your stuff before providing info to people on here. People like you who don't know what you are doing is dangerous for those who rely on info here. If you believe that FSA are without guilt, ask yourself why FSA find it so hard to recruit and keep social workers. Also ask yourself why there are so many people with complaints about the dept. Are they all wrong and FSA always right??

I have more shame living in this country.
Ann Bressington is all mouth, I even approached her with a Polygraph conducted by one of her mates,Gavin Wilson, Past it and she said Oh! errmmm, ya bucked passed,didnt want anything to do with me, as all the other retards in Sa, I and the Said X partner, Begged for help and all we got was this separation we didnt wanted.

Their time is coming and this nation Should be so Ashamed of itself.

I understand where you are coming from. Im a bit older than 16 now but I was in care in SA before I moved to NSW. (BIG mistake) I was sexually assaulted by the foster father repeatedly. I too suffered from depression, I still do. Hiut me up on my profile if ya wanna chat

hello, i know it is so hard to deal with issues about families sa but i am here to try and make a diffrence, your add was something i have been waiting for and i will promise this to you famlies sa secrets will be brought out in the open, but as for you kido you hold on there and if ever you need to talk just let me know, if families sa spent more time on the children that shouldnt be at home rather than families that try so hard and in the end sends them over the eage, that would be tax payers money well spent or goverments money witch ever the case be,very soon you can live on your own or return to your family and there isnt anything they can do as long as you are safe and happy and stand your ground with them you have rights,you take care for now and i will get back to you soon xoxo

Kym: its not half,try like 90% of Family SA child care workers, there is more predictors,in government,then in the community.
I lived in SA for a Year, and saw more kids on the streets, abused in any manner, while family sa, will invade a normal stable homes.

This I can and will Promise you,Qld is my stepping stone to SA, for as soon as I am done with Qld, SA is my next Target.
not only family sa, but,also SA police force and mental health. tween the three, they are all corrupted,all are molesters.
The biggest Bitch of it all, They all know,to whats going on and just do nothing about it. Even SA Ombudsman, takes the side of Family SA.

Kym: as an idea, I encourage you, to start placing pen to paper and write up all that has happened to you and whom ever else you happen to know, that has been abused by Family Sa. every detail counts.

Psychiatry and child care workers,Sleep together. like the QLD pm and CMC sleep together.
Okies, you just had a baby, Why did family SA,had to visit your home ?.Seems a bit more to this ?. and which office ?.

Like your husband at the time, Not that I was in a depression,I went and saw retards at the mental health in Elizabeth. That retard twisted my words and reported me,that same night,I am forced out of the family home and Charged with trespassing. No Questioning to why's.
Family SA told the X,that she couldnt have a man in her home,until the youngest child turns 18, she was 12 at the time.
In my sarcasm,I stated that Family Sa should be a dating service,Unless a man is Investigated By family Sa, No women can have a man, And you proves this to me, How many other women are now single with children, all because,the Man you want to be with and trust,is no longer a man for you,until Family Sa gives the go ahead.
Maybe get out of the state, and start afresh, thats what the X and I was planning,until the X rolled over like a dog to family Sa.

Evening, and welcome to Altnews.
Yes, Family sa, is no better the queensland as I am sure the rest of the state.
My Abuse is from these two states, SA and QLD. and I do very much agree,SA is also very much corrupted.
Sa was were I started to open doors, until Family sa destroyed the family.

Go to the courts or the children's commission. I'm not sure what you have there but fight for the child. Deny deny all allegations and put the burden of proof on them. Just because they say it, doesn't mean its true and courts are not stupid. Fight for that child and your self as well, been there done that. The umberella The DOCs live under is not rigid enough to not get through! Break them down and document everything! Good luck. celeb

Hey Anonymous. I'm guessing the child went on to other foster parents?

Same happened to my family in NSW.

And this is another family in SA it happened to:

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~mmmayger/

You wont get much sympathy here, in general they think if it isn't your biological child then you could never have loved them.

Oh I know DocSniper once you are branded by Families SA as a pedophile, the damage is impossible to be done. I would go as far to say that an innocent person has essentially no chance to right any wrongs, the only exception might be if you have a LOT of money. Unfortunately I do not- I cannot get a lawyer. Some of the lawyers themselves have been also because the mother (only just after multiple appeals) managed to get legal aid to get a lawyer to fight the order taking the kids away until they are 18. Thankfully she knows I am innocent of what Families SA says about me, because they also tried to insinuate on various occasions that SHE was molesting her son. That opened her eyes. Anyway she got this lawyer who read her file. She was going into the lawyers office, and I was there as she went into the office, I walked off with the two oldest children (to occupy them while she was in the appointment). Do you know what the lawyer said when she was in his office? Is that the guy that molested your daughter? Your letting your children be with a person that molested your children? The lawyer himself, quite obviously believed the allegations. What chance does a person have if ones own legal counsel doesn't believe them? NONE. I have learned to consider people irrational. I expect people if they hear what has been said about me to believe it. The mere accusation of being a child molester, even without hearing evidence, and they believe its true. She had this training psychologist coming around to her house (the mother). And she mentioned to them (I told her NOT to tell people, that people don't understand). Well she told the psychologist that I was accused of molesting her daughter but it was not true. The psychologist didnt know any more than that assertion, she had no information to even attempt to make a judgment on, but you should have seen the look that this female psychologist gave me. She looks straight into my eyes with the strongest most obvious look of contempt towards me. I just walked out of the room. I mean that was it- instantly judged and assumed to be guilty on the spot. I've only talked to a minimal amount of people about the allegations, my brother. Most my family I have never told, my ex best friend (that i have known since I was 5), I won't tell him. Because he has kids. Seriously I know I am fine around children, you just don't tell people you have been accused of this, its just a doubt you don't want to put in peoples minds. They aren't going to want to even invite you over to their house for dinner if they even think their is a remote chance you might be a child molester.

One of the girls that was told by Families SA that I molested her sister eventually came back to live with her mum (she constantly ran away and Families SA eventually realized they couldn't stop her returning to her mums, they called it "Voting with her feet").

Well they damaged her. When she first came back I think she believed I molested her sister. A lot of damage has been done. This is a little girl that used to love me to pieces. I have made progress, but I don't think the damage between us will ever fully be repaired. What makes it worst is she just won't talk about the issues involved, so you can't get a validation of what she is thinking. She is civil towards me now but I am always on my guard. Every now and then i see a bit of the old affection she used to freely display towards me break through. Those moments are worth a million dollars to me.

Actually I remember the time when she was turned against me. I remember the last time when she acted like she used to be towards me.

This was at the beginning of the situation, just before the allegations were pushed against me. I was invited over, by her foster mother. The reason was that the child missed me so much and wanted to spend time with me. At first I thought everything went well. The foster mother was what I would say "a bit weird". For example, she had just met me, but she went out to the shop for 20 minutes and left me alone with the child and also her niece.

Well it all seemed to go well, but at the end a big problem occurred. It was a REALLY hot day, over 40c. She offered to give me a lift home and dropped me off at my brothers. My brother is very fit and had just got back from a jog. He had jogged 12 kilometres. It was 40+ c. He has no top on. He waved to the girl and said it was nice to see her again.

I never received further contact from the foster mother. Several weeks later I find out from the girl that the foster mother had been saying very strange things. That is was VERY inappropriate that my brother didn't have a top on etc. I was on the phone (for one of the last times) to the girl. I asked her about it. I said, gently and politely, "has your foster mother said anything strange about the fact that my brother said hi to you without a top on?". She said that it was RUDE, got very angry and for the first time hung up on me. Ever since then things have never been the same. Its a shame that this girl I have always considered one of the most suggestible and influenced of the children. Honestly I am just outlining things here, but seriously they brainwashed her.

Several months ago, by luck I bumped into one of the children I am not allowed to see. This is the youngest child. I was walking down to the mothers house for a visit and they were having an access visit on the oval. The youngest child has NOT seen me since she was FOUR years old. For over 3 years. She is around 7 now. I couldn't have even been sure she could even remember who I am, and certainly not still have feelings for me. She spotted me after so much time (she has almost doubled in age) from over one hundred metres away. She ran, excited, shouting my name. Ran all the way over to me and grabbed onto me hugging me. She said that she loves me. It broke my heart it really did. I said I had to go that I am not allowed to see her. I knew that Families SA could use this as an opportunity to further restrict the mothers minimal access with her children. They USE ANYTHING to crack down on her, to be frank, they can pretend they are all objective and professional, but it so OBVIOUS they despise the mother, and that they are always looking for opportunities to fault her.

That was the last time I saw that child. Maybe when she is a teenager she will rebel and I might see her again, I mean if I'm still alive, I never take anything for granted in this life. I will have missed out on her entire childhood. She is so unhappy in care. I am not joking when she constantly says that she "HATES" her carer. She uses those words, a young girl like that. She is living with someone she constantly says she hates. I will always love her, but part of me doesn't want to see her again when she is a teenager, part of me wants to let go. The situation between us is dead, Families SA has destroyed it. Her childhood is precious to me, but I am not a part of it any more.

It really annoys me. I am an atheist. The mother is not religious. But the second youngest girl is being "looked after" by a deeply religious woman, who has brain washed her into being a christian girl, and she goes to a religious school. church on sundays, and reads the bible with the carer. They have no right to impose their religious values on a child like that, but there is nothing we can do.

I guess I am lucky I have the teenagers, they are simply too feisty to be stopped from seeing me, and Families SA knowns that they can do little. The one I mentioned in my last post, who screamed out at the police that I am not a pedophile (in a public area in front of many people), actually took a swipe at the police officer when she was being dragged into the police car, she nearly got him in the face too. It was sort of comical though, because she is a very small person, and police officer is so large. It did look funny her trying to punch him in the head. I was worried at the time however, I didn't want them to lock her up.

One of the boys, he comes visits me every weekend, despite the fact he is in care. He has extreme anger problems and can be VERY violent. Honestly I think the social workers and the people that care for him are scared of him, when he starts getting angry they always back down. Thats why he can come see me, seriously he has such severe anger problems (he had brain damage at birth which I think contributes to his inability to control his temper) I could HONESTLY imagine him trying to stab one of them or something if they tried to block him seeing me. I have been very concerned about him doing something serious and ending up in prison. He is the most violent person I have ever met, though he is fine with me, cause I know how to handle him. He is a good kid he just has problems.

So my situation is the two youngest children, are TOTALLY blocked from seeing me. With the next oldest she was brainwashed against me, and some of that damage has been repaired, however still more progress needs to be made. The teenagers (there are four of them), are all TOTALLY on my side, and could never be brainwashed or turned against me now. All of them HATE Families SA, and they use that exact word to describe how they feel towards Families SA. They consider that Families SA has destroyed their family, and broken their connection with their younger sisters because they can only see them about once a month for about 90 minutes. In court Families SA said they are dedicated to maintaining the connection between the children. 90 minutes is all they spend together per month. Oops something is on, sorry we'll have to miss this month. There has been occasions where they missed 3 months in a row, always some excuse why from Families SA.

I honestly think some of these social workers get off on the power of breaking the connections between people. I know any person that hasn't been involved in such a situation couldn't believe that. It sounds like some conspiracy theory, but you haven't seen what I have seen.

Well end second rant. Wherever the kids are tonight I LOVE THEM, and I LOVE THEM more than any "carer" they are placed with could ever possibly care for them.