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Shirley: Our Children are a commodity.
Submitted by DocSniper on Mon, 23/03/2009 - 07:18
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Whom from this state has had dealings with the department of child safety ?. and was/is being abused. Is it your child/ren and or Parent/s and families?
Are you innocent of any wrong doings as claims/manipulated by/from DOCS ?.
Have you had child/ren removed from a stable home.? and abused elsewhere ?.
Has the man of the house, been unfairly arrested ?. and removed from the home ?.
Has your relationship ended on the demands from this department.
Do you have a criminal record that this Department will twist and use against you ?.
Do you think your alone in all this ?.
Do you need a place to seek to obtain some form of advice and or help ?.
Then Phone 07-40582264 Speak with Angela and details will be giving to commence a Class Action. Many are in the same predicament .
If you have had no dealings with this department, as yet, http://www.aus-city.com/ubbthreads/ ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=1 2&page=1
then this is also a good place to learn to and obtain good advice.
Also visit this site and join to be a voice. If no one speaks up, This department will continue to Abuse our child/ren and destroy our families
http://apps.facebook.com/causes/...
Do not think you will be immune to this, it is just one phone call away,That's all it takes.
This department is Accountable, For Abusing,manipulation,Stand over tactics,Unprofessional conduct,File tampering and Personal involvement.
Do not hesitate, Do not have fear to complain to be heard in a court of law and to have this Department Accountable for their unprofessional Conduct. Please stand up and be counted, Please be a voice to save our children and our families from this Corruption.
I encourage and employ you to visit this site. and to phone the above number, It could save your family/marriage and your wallet.
May god be with you.
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Convince me
"Our Children are a commodity"
How does this make sense? Is there proof that children in care cost the government less than it would if their parents had them?
At a fostering level in NSW I get 395.00 a fornight per child under 5. Looks great on paper.
Then DoCS has to pay drivers to take them on visits or to school - medical expenses for majoy things. I had one child who had a 40 minute taxi ride to and from school every day.
High need children I don't have but if Shirley is right that is a large amount of money the government is forking out.
DoCS staff get their salaries whether or not they have 10 clients to look after or 100. I would imagine they actually prefer less clients.
"This department is Accountable, For Abusing,manipulation,Stand over tactics,Unprofessional conduct,File tampering and Personal involvement."
Yes they are, go get them. But wouldn't it need to be case by case given it is always specific cases that went wrong and individual people that were wronged...?
Is it the policy that gets attacked or the lack of following policies already put in place?
It is all happening here in NSW as well. And I still need to deal with each caseworker for who they are and my experience of them and how they work while not covering whole sectors of DoCS with the same blanket.
Julie
PS... How are you?
Would you believe any how?.
Jewely:
This country has a policy of when any Parent signs the birth cert, That child then becomes owned by the said government. Thats a commodity
There is countless of EG's to how DOCS waste funds on children as you mentioned.
In adelaide last year a child (16) goes to the zoo and kills a bird. his punishment was to be sent back to his mother in NSW, and DOCS paid for everything.
DOCS do this as to make out they are doing a Good job in the best interest of the community.
Funds wasted on D.Ferguson, Yet them same funds cant conduct a profession investigation to the Fabrication they only that Department makes up. Grant and funds are giving to departments like Legal aid, The CMC and the ombudsman to give that Justice when One can supply full proof of innocents, these departments Backs DOCS and they to prejudge and find you guilty as DOCS do. Their investigation is only done from behind a desk and a computer and phone. And this is how we the Abuse get our Investigation to that so called fair justice system that Rag Bligh quoted in Saying we had.
A DOCS staff works 2 days a week and in every 20minutes will destroy a family, Thus incurring that Commodity to have Value to the system.
My case alone will shutter the foundations to that corruption that is so thick and deep within the system of DOCS.
There is no way in high heaven that any human being can be in two places at the same time, Unless I had a Twin(and I dont)Yet this is what DOCS have done to me and others.
There is no way in Hell, That a human being can Escape a Max Sec Prison to molester children without being noticed he Escaped. But DOCS says that can be done and thats what they state I did.
There is No way in pig shit as DOCs also states and Quotes, That I molested/Abuised my now 23 yr old son from his youth,When he has never ever ever ever been questioned by any retarded laws.
Here is a little EG: to a system that is Retarded as they come.
A cop will investigate a crime that will go back 20-30-40 yrs ago to bring that person to justice.(just have to watch TV shows on this)and then media will do a story on it and give a step by step details to how that investigation took place and how that Justice was severed.
Yet when it concerns a government body(DOCS)that are the murderers and kidnappers the Abusers and the law breakers The Cops just turn a blind eye to it and or take part in it.
And no one investigates that Crime conducted by DOCS.
Until you have a stolen generation that starts to seek the truth and then gain a compensation, This country already had One lot of stolen generations step forward and got that fake sorry and a compensation. There is another lot of stolen children coming, I have three of them on the list,how many others are out there?. and in 10-20 yrs from now, we will also see the same again, That Fake sorry from a PM and a compensation pay out in the billions. and all it would of taking is for this Retarded government to take the bullet and admit they err'd and frk'd up and then amend the laws to be fair and Just. For All humans of All races and creed in this so called fair justice system that this country dont have.
P.S.
I am good, I live another day to fight.
How is you.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Proof Please
So who benefits from children being in care?
There is no consipracy.
This commodity thing with the birth certificates you got from some anon dude spouting crap who never came back in with any proof just started his blurb with "blah blah I go to school so I must be right".
In no way am I denying DoCS does bad things to good people but I have yet to see any proof that it is more than that.
See because I do foster children and because it is short term care I do get to foster a lot of children so I have seen good things happen and children returned happy to parents after mums and dads got help.
What I haven't seen here which I often did get to see in NZ is a Judge rip a caseworker a new tube and tell them they were wrong and give the kid back immediatly so I am wondering if the problem isn't with the odd evil caseworker but with the courts here.
Obviously I could be wrong there too as maybe it does often happen and I just haven't heard about it yet.
What does make everything worse is privacy laws. The public doesn't hear about foster children the way it does bush fires and floods.
But would your average Aussie have that any other way??
Hell I cant follow whos who but this is for all those complainin
Jewely
Seems to be the only one of you lot who is on here to help others. Here`s a pretty lady ( always worth a try):)
Look here is someone who has said has fostered over a hundred children. Who has been open to hearing serious complaints about kids being neglected.
What have all of you done. Ran down foster parents over and over again.
Well I dont reckon thats very fair TBO.
The pretty lady doesnt get a chance to be heard. No I am not saying she can fix all of our problems. I recall her saying she was from NZ. What I am saying is this-
Clearly shes had a bit to do with DOCS so perhaps she could be helpful to some of your just by listening to what proticol is in place with her other 100 kids- or was in place.
Now I dont agree either that ALL Foster parents are bad- although I am SURE there ARE some real evil Bs out there too.
Doc Sniper and others will never agree with this but I think Foster parents should be paid a WAGE. Non taxable. Lets face it they must cop a lot of slack by disgruntled parents and even grandparents.
To Gran who wants her daughters children- If those kids have been placed in permant care thats he end of the road unless you take it to court.IMOP you will loose.
For WHATEVER reason your grandkids are not comfortablewith you. You say they hide in cuboards and cry you get them into trouble.
Thats stress- trauma. Where is your daughter. Why not put your energy into getting 'her act together.?
Be fair to DOCS also because they MUST take into consideration you raised the kids mother.
That might sound hard- unfair but reading between he lines it sounds to me like SHE has not requested DOCS place them with you either.
Perhaps I am wrong- or perhaps she has told you she has - but asked them not to.
Save your money and Foster other children
That ought to be proof your capable until you can get onto a working arragment with DOCS.
BTW This utter nonesense about the Foster parents working for DOCS- So what?
What is your point.! Many people like kids and some of those register to Foster kids.
Are you saying because she/he works they should be punished.?
They could be court staff lawyers Drs- So what?
As for your file being read- get real.
They dont need to read your file to know about these kids. They would be given a lot of information when they took the children.
Anyway- whats to read? I think for memory you said you and your husband were 40 or something.
So neither of you are working i take it.
Um, its also a good example for children to see the male at least heading off to work each day.
Maybe Docs have got it right too.
If you have such a STRONG case against people who have only had them two weeks,... I am not sure your intentions are to be fair for the childrens sake.
You accuse people of all sorts of things. You said the new Foster Mum was allowing you to contact her home by phone.
Well gee wiz she cant be hat bad IMO.
But if you keep alledging abuse each time you call i would imagine she could request that STOP.
I would. Sounds like a lady with compassion allowing her own child to have the dog sleep on the bed with her daughter.
A normal loving family who has WORKING parents would be my choice if I were DOCS IMOP. Not two 40 year young adults not working, whether they is good reason or not.
Stop accusing these people of breaking the law by gaining acess to your file.
Stop accusing people after only 2 weeks of abusing children.
I think I can see why DOCS dont want to listen to your appeal.
Sorry but thats MOP
Graham
Cheers Graham
I am used to it, the whole running down foster parents. Hey I've run plenty down in my time as well.
I get it here, I get it from the kids families I have, I get it from drivers and boy do I get it in the neck from the odd caseworker.
It may be that the parents on here don't quite understand foster parents. Somehow they see us as parked up all buddy buddy with the caseworkers. The reality is that if you go anywhere near another foster parent you will hear them complain about DoCS more than anyone else.
Doesn't matter if the kid is having a bad day, they must go on a visit no matter what. I have been punched and kicked and bitten by children because I am the one putting them in a car to go visit their parents.
I suspect most mums and dads here havn't been a witness to the real violence done to some of these children so don't really understand how necessary it is to have agencies like DoCS and mandatory reporting.
The sad thing is, caseworkers do see children daily that have been kicked and shaken and punched (often for years). They must get really jaded after awhile.
Most foster parents who came on this site (cause arn't I the only one?) would probably take it out on parents.
Isn't everyone lucky I see them as individuals with their own stories and I don't accuse them like they are a single group.
Now I must add, I have met some foster parents who are amazing people, do a brilliant job and would have given them my own children to look after.
And some wonderful caseworkers who will really fight for a child to make sure they have a future.
I think I have seen all sides of the story and now I am trying to work out if I can be of any help in any direction.
And Yes I want a wage. Right now I get $1.00 an hour for a 7 day a week 24 hour a day babysitting service. And each dollar - gets spent on the children.
I get lice, constant colds, tummy bugs and bloody depressed at times looking after the wee ones if things go wrong. Oh and exhausted if there is a baby in the house. Also the maintenance on the house can be huge when you have 7 or 8 small children running about.
So cheers Graham. Hopefully some of this will sink in although each new parent that enters the site will spot me and say the same stupid things as the last one about foster parents.
Re: Convince me
How are children in care Comodities, the average foster care allowance is $1.20 per hour and if you get a high needs child you can add an extra $112.00 a f/n to that and they are not classed as high needs for nothing. Lets look at this Grandmother Shirley claims the Foster Parents are getting $2000.00 per week well Shirley I think you need to go to DOCS home page and look at the foster care allowance rates, they barely cover the cost of raising a child. yes you might say natural parents do not get this money from the Government but, why should they, It was after all their child their responsibility. Foster Carers are people for the most part who care about kids and want to make sure they can help them and while they don't do it for the money it would be hard to do it with out the assistance. A foster carer get approx $11,000.00 per year to look after someone elses child 24 hours a day 7 days a week. The foster carer is often the meat in the sandwhich between the Parents and other significant other, Docs and the Kids, now if you were employed 24/7 would you work for 11K per year I would suspect not. Australia has a major problem getting our unemployed to go to work for the dole which is around the same money.
Grand Mother Shirley, are your grand children returned to you or are they still with the foster carer? I hope you were not counting on getting $2000 per week when and if your Grand Kids are awarded to you as your will be disapointed.
The notion that people take foster kids for money is one that can not be supported in most cases, sure if they are on a centrelink payment they may increase their benefit as well, If a person is full time employed then they only get the department allowance which pays for everything the kids need.
Foster Carers are on a whole good people and do a community service do we really want to go back to the old orphanage type care arrangement because that is the alternative, for as long as children are abused neglected and subjected to violence their will be an endless line of kids in care.
I know that people are going to scream my kids were taken unfairly, but the reality is that the statistics prove only a small number of children are removed from their homes incorrectly, people should stop fighting the department and blaming foster carers for their short comings and work on getting themselves and their lives together, be responsible
and work towards a better tomorrow
Will
Dear willworth-notmuch
First of all if you have a fulltime job then you are certainly not "24/7" working for foster care wages. Secondly the statistics of children removed incorrectly would be waaaaaay wrong because of the laws that prevent people talking about the situation. And thirdly the people that have had their children removed incorrectly - and theres a fucking lot of em out there believe me, you cant just walk into court and show all the lies and bullshit that the docs workers do and get your beautiful babies back. If it was that easy it would have been done by now.!!! And as for your attitude toward the working, wake up dick head, the quality of person is not measured on how much you earn a year. Are you aware that the government spends millions and millions and millions of dollars a year more on trafficking children into foster care and legal fees etc etc then the total amount of money spent on "dole bludgers" ??? So more of your hard earned cash is flushed down the toilet on dirty corrupt government workers and legal staff and big huge national (not for profit apparently) corporations who endeavour to take more and more children each year so they can have a bigger and bigger budget the next???
Whatever rock you crawled out of, fuck off back to it.
Selling the future
They are, just not in the context you are describing:
http://www.precaution.org/lib/08/prn_its_time.080925.htm
Question for you...
Why did I just read a whole lot of information about Carbon Dioxide in North America?
DocSniper
Hi Sniper..
I have read your story and feel for you so much..
Truth is Docs do destroy families this much i know..
But you need to Move and try and get a new life, or try and fight really hard for your Kids , don't you think they deserve to know their Dad? Do it for them.
I Have read your Stories... Corruption if i ever did see it... have you seen your son since his birth when they took him at 20 mins old?
Also don't bother about Talking to Jewely and Graham they know each other and email each other.. and i can tell you this they talked about you.. and called you not so many nice words.. you should join a site called Power 4 parents www.power4parents.org
Wild Flower
*Our Ears Should Hear Every Child's Cry, But They Don't*
To Help or Make a Donation please go to the ACT website and follow Instructions
http://www.abusedchildtrust.com.au
Flowers grow in ....?
I think everyone knows Graham and I e-mail - I have twice now posted replies for him in public when he hasn't been able to.
But no we did not call Sniper anything or talk about him.
He is already on P4P.
keep stirring.
jewely..
Well I don't think you should put its replies on here... i mean can't it do it itself.. And so you pretty much just Confirmed that Patty=Graham Thanks Jules!
And you say you Never Talked about Doc Sniper.. Well i Just Did a google search that clearly states you we're talking about him and in other words called him Nuts and a pedophile not very nice since you don't know him. there a few threads talked about him and some have been deleted but some are cashed in Google.. just Search it.
Here is one of the topics :
http://raisingchildren.net.au/forum/Topic8864-25-2.aspx#bm14111
and back on the Subject of Patty or Graham you say 'he' i say it likes to have use of males names does she have Gender Confusion? as she freely Admitted to being Female!!
I am not Stirring simply here to state some true
facts!
Wild Flower
*Our Ears Should Hear Every Child's Cry, But They Don't*
To Help or Make a Donation please go to the ACT website and follow Instructions
http://www.abusedchildtrust.com.au
Hahaha..
Where did you get Patty = Graham from?
Ahh I remember, I miss Happy Mum. I said I thought Sniper was nuts and then we had an arguement and I pointed out we shouldn't be talking about him because it was bitchy.
But yes, well done Sherlock we were talking about the 16 year old he had mentioned here. Having a good old bitch session from memory. But that wasn't Graham and I like you were trying to point out.
Now you really need to get a hobby. Although you've put a bit of effort in to this, what is your facination with me? Did you want my phone number or something?
Jewely....
Well you Said.. you EMAIL Graham and you Email Patty this much i know, and you never said that graham isn't patty.. also graham makes the same comments and passion about pets and the global footprint etc it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work that one out jules!!
But YOU JUST SAID YOU NEVER TALKED ABOUT SNIPER.. and i found the link where you did... so you LIED. and who care if he slept with a teenage girl.. that is his life no one Else's...
oh Yeah i'm fascinated by you... one moment you point out you are against the dept next minute all children are abused... you are one confused lady.. pick a side and stick to it lovey.. or do you have a memory like Dorey from finding Nemo .. loss of memory.. should check on that! do you want me to have your number... i see you are on P4P, I HATE GOV DEPT as Jewely&co and raising children network.. think i'm a good detective yet? and if you post information on the net there is paper trail that follows you and its called google search engine...
well enough for now..
Wild Flower
*Our Ears Should Hear Every Child's Cry, But They Don't*
To Help or Make a Donation please go to the ACT website and follow Instructions
http://www.abusedchildtrust.com.au
Nice
You said I talked to Graham about Sniper.
I have always said the department is corrupt, I have also always said there are some lovely caseworkers that I have met.
I have never stated all children are abused - oh yeah once on here that was a joke and obviously so since the sheep comment was added to it.
It's easy to find someone like me... I use the same account name everywhere, same photo. Hey I'm on hubbub as Jewely and over (quite recently) OLO as - yep you guessed it "Jewely". See Julie is always taken. I don't see myself keeping up with a political forum though but Graham assures me I can - did you know he has a lot of staff where he works?
Anything else - hopefully you have studied up and worked out I am 41, female, two teenage children. Kiwi been in Oz three years. Fostered in NZ over 8 years, umm... fostered here two years.
I am brunette (at the moment) and I have green eyes, I am a pakeha. I live on the Central Coast. Birthday is 16th of October. Yes I want a present thanks.
I'm kinda chuffed, not often one gets a stalker. But your job was made too easy since I never hide.
Want my e-mail? Or is this only fun for you in public and hiding behind aliases, snooping on e-mail accounts...
JEWELY ... MUST READ
I never said you talked to Graham about Sniper.. i said you talked about Sniper in General to other members of forums, not nice, how is it you to talk trash about someone else .. you have never met? see you are just like the dept make judgment after never meeting the 'man' kinda like a social assessment one must think.. damn reminds me what all dept involved people must think.. plus i know you have talked about sniper to graham=patty stop denying it..
you just said you have never said that all children are abused then you follow that statement by stating oh yeah you said that once followed by a sheep comment but the thing is you wouldn't have joked about something so serious if it weren't how you really feel jules, you just contradicted what you just said.
You on a govt web site, sorry to say it wouldn't be official govt website as the govt don't let this kinda stuff out in public to air.
Graham has a lot of staff where he works? at what job is this he has too many too list? or is he a govt worker too LOL
Oh if i'm a stalker .. i would be Stalking you online to find info about you and where you live etc and that i don't and plus you make everything public knowledge so its not technically stalking etc
What would you Like for your Birthday? another foster child and more $$ money ?
Sure give me your email... Why don't you want to do this Public.. something to hide....
Wild Flower
*Our Ears Should Hear Every Child's Cry, But They Don't*
To Help or Make a Donation please go to the ACT website and follow Instructions
http://www.abusedchildtrust.com.au
bubhub
oh by the way the forum is called BUB HUB and is owned by my very best friend 'Hilary'
*Our Ears Should Hear Every Child's Cry, But They Don't*
To Help or Make a Donation please go to the ACT website and follow Instructions
http://www.abusedchildtrust.com.au
Funny you should say that.
"and who care if he slept with a teenage girl.. that is his life no one Else's..."
Seems someone in the department did, but didnt care that it was willing and the fact she promised me a child.
Yes,. true, I should have not, touched. and I make no excuses, only I was not in the right frame of mind, As this was the time frame of my 7 week old son passing away.
But, oddly enough, Right this very moment, a friend of mine, Daughter at 15 is having sex with guys at 30/40 plus, DOCS here knows about it and couldnt careless, The man that molester her, when she was younger, only got 3 months jail.
I have willing sex with a per 16 yr old and do a year in prison, lose my home, my eldest son goes lives on the streets(cos Docs really do care,Ay)and then the punishment continues and havnt stopped. to top that all off, I get retards,that also kills love,steals my woman and kids and these frkheads expect me to just roll over and play,Im a dog and will jump at their retards commands.
If only I had the balls of Chooper, each and every doc worker that came into my life and killed it, will also be dead.
Havnt we(im speaking for men/Parents) havnt we all said at one time," if anybody touches my woman or children, I will KILL them ". and when that day come, You get DOCS Nazi commandos lurking in the shadows of a hospital,waiting 20 hours for a baby to be born and then send in 5 cops to do their dirty work. Im only 55k's, but that night, those cops were so scared of me. took 3 of them to drag me out, Same to, for that night my son dies, 2 cops attack me,for no reason, but even they had a hard time holding me.
SO, My gun,is my mouths that DOCS and others cant handle of me,those that do handle it, are the ones that Admire me.
I am NOT here to empress anyone, nor do I really care what you say about me, DOCS have done it all for you.
What I do expect, is for that compassion and Understanding of the Truth I am speaking and for someone to step forward and pick me up and carry me to a court room( yeah, I want a frking lawyer,that isnt gutless) and lets DOCS and I do a 1 on 1 with a judge that isnt sleeping with the department
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Docsniper.
I'm not here to Judge you.. But i can totally understand how the sexual encounter could have happen i mean you were in a emotional state of the loss of your child.. i mean i have seen some 16 yo that do want to be with older men... one thing is clear sure it shouldn't have happened but it did.. you regret it so thats all should that matter in the case. why did you go to jail did she press charges?? when she wanted it too there should have been no charges etc well as for your friends daughter and the dept they only come involved when it suits them,
Where are you located? i know a good Lawyer.. have you ever thought of contacting the uni and asking for a lawyer that is practicing law to represent you.. they charge nothing and its better shot than not trying at all
i know what you mean when you say something i have been guilty to do that as well.. but dept take it seriously so you must be careful what you say..
you should try the children services tribunal..
:)
Wild Flower
*Our Ears Should Hear Every Child's Cry, But They Don't*
To Help or Make a Donation please go to the ACT website and follow Instructions
http://www.abusedchildtrust.com.au
Now the right Q: has been Asked.
Regardless of what state I was in, I am still held accountable.
No one cared when my baby dies, But I did and it hit me so hard it dropped me in Hell.
No, that 16 yr old, didnt press charges, Her mother did 7 months later.
The next day, her and I told her mother, to what had happened, and we both started it will never happen again.
The mother, right at that point,should of called the cops/Docs, But, No, instead, she tells me,we are getting married, the mother goes and buys the wedding rings, and a wedding dress and all that crap for a wedding, she then informs all her friends that we are getting married, for seven months, I said no, The mother leave the house and the next day I got a visit from cops and questioned about the 16 yr old and I confess and plead guilty and I am charged and I goto prison for a year.
I am located in Townsville, But, if your going to refer a lawyer from here, The odds are, they have rejected me already, but no harm in trying.
Yes, I have been to Uni and I have asked only to be rejected, thats where I met a few friends, one being a 3rd yr majoring Psychologist, we become friends and she has seen everything,read everything and was also friends with my 2 partners, more so the last one, cause they both were pregnant and they chatted always to how we all be hanging together and watch our kids playing and grow up together.
And yes, I have been to the CST and they to reject, even my 20 minute old son had a lawyer, the X had a lawyer, docs had a lawyer, and DocSniper was in the cold pissing ice cubes.
You can also google, Midnightrose79 and baby_angel, these two women,were the partners, out of all the partners, I just wish for one and i still have hope deep in me, that maybe it can happen, once i clear my name. if not, I still love to build a family.
You can also find me on FaceBook, http://apps.facebook.com/causes/200055/42096019?m=1a240be5
theres a few P4P there as well.
Time now, 5:22 am. ya, i suffer from insomnia.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
CORRUPTION
Its Jane here and don't worry my story is one that will make you feel better.I am being railroaded by docs in the nastiest way possible.The contact workers always discuss the case with me and say this case is wrong but don't tell them that we are talking to you or we will get into trouble.The next thing is My case worker from hell a fat little greek girl who is out to prove herself has herded the contact workers into her office and blackmailed them to write in an affidavit that i aM the one always talking about the case and to say things that are incorrect.I spose in this economic situation lie or its your jobs.They are only uni students that are doing the work for extra money and are being cruelly pressured to say what the case worker wants them to.My last affidavit against me. the tenth against my two is all blatent lies and i am tiring from this fight against corruption.I am out numbered and know its a no win situation against very corrupt docs workers.I will lose my son why? because we had an allergic reaction to a caterpillar.thats it what a joke! and because a case worker and a manager has taken a dislike to me.because why I will not grovel at their feet why because i am intelligent why because they are negligent.I am in pain every day and the pain is slowly killing me the lies are sending me slowly mad and the agony of seeing my dear little boy struggling and deteriating is destroying me. help help there is no help corruption is untouchable it rules truth is no longer,
JANE!
"I will lose my son why? because we had an allergic reaction to a caterpillar.thats it what a joke! and because a case worker and a manager has taken a dislike to me.because why I will not grovel at their feet why because i am intelligent why because they are negligent.I am in pain every day and the pain is slowly killing me the lies are sending me slowly mad and the agony of seeing my dear little boy struggling and deteriating is destroying me. help help there is no help corruption is untouchable it rules truth is no longer,"
Jane stop this, they are wrong. You don't know for a fact you will loose your boy. You can't know this yet, no Judge has said this!
Stop telling yourself this stuff.
For your boy Betty, for him harden up.
Why can't you go the newspapers?
Jewely's
Hello prety lady. Look you seem to be the only one shes contacting. I have left 3 posts for Jane now offering help.
I get where shes at and we have helped two others in similar trouble.
Yes shes got NSW health againsdt her- but its NOT impossible.
I would have thought it was worth a try to get her Son back.
If shes not able to hold herself together now- she will be a mess in court.
So if she will contact you- I will advise her through you. ( If thats ok)
*I am in pain every day and the pain is slowly killing me the lies are sending me slowly mad*
Do NOT say things like that! Jane
Take it easy and email the pretty lady if you wont contact me.
Otherwise we cant help you.
Remember God works in strange ways. I would grab it if i were you.
Graham
Oh, Now I get it.....
Is that Why you dont offer myself that Same help?, Im not a female for you to Con on to. And I Stopped letting DOCs get to me by this Attitude I got from them, that people like you just cant handle.
Yeps!! your a per judger, a hypocrite.
And why cant she say things like that, Thats how she feels. She suffers, just like others do, thats been abused by the system and Docs.
I bet Jane is not eating right, lack of sleep and always crying. Cause thats what i do, sep, now, I stopped crying.
If God worked as you say in different ways, Why are you a Pharisee. ?
Lets see you decipher the parable of the Samaritan. For I know, the Spirit is not with you and you will never decipher that Parable. But, Amuse me and try.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
I will only try once!
Congratulations
I do believe, that was the first time I have ‘ever read fully ‘one of your posts.!
Well done. Not a swear word amongst it
*Is that why you don’t offer myself that same help?*
Nope- She’s got bigger problems s than just DOCS- These others make DOCS look like babies trust me
Together it would be too much for most people. You might remember that when your posting. A kind word perhaps…
I have worked in the past with five federal police officers being labelled sectioned or Gagged .under this act. It is scary even to big touch Federal Cops let alone a lady by herself.
It’s a common practise of certain members working for the Australian Government to discredit people using this act.
And THAT is why I asked her not to make the statement FYI
I will take your comments on board- but it’s a bit hard when I don’t know WHAT your problem is ‘right now.’
I am only guessing that you were put on some register because of what your Son said.
Perhaps you could start with the where you are’now’- If you wish.
I am busy , but will listen if you can refrain from the swearing
In return I will ‘try not to be obtuse:)
Graham
Another Sunny Morning
You're up early again. Yes I remembered Sammy's pills.
That was weird with Jane, coming in under Anon.
Her story is too strange to not be believed.
Problem earlier I think was my own lack of knowledge and not reading everything through properly I went and looked up the caterpillar thing. Horrible twist of fate that went on there and if the allegic reaction was the end of the story it would have in itself been bad enough.
To be judged on the spot and accused - then have your child removed because you were desperatly seeking help while in physical pain. Well.
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Now in Snipers case, DoCS were the Caterpillar. Uncalled for, came without warning, and hurt leaving scars and damage.
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But Sniper honey you did make me have a big think and so did Graham about some other stuff on this board.
I still keep crying when I see toys and think too long about some children that were here not long ago. I am not sure if I will ever get over them and the situation around them leaving.
What I saw me and Jane and Natasha doing is using each other to have a good rage. Any distraction is a good distraction. We certainly did not care how much pain each of us was in already.
I think every person on here that has told a story about being mistreated by DoCS tends to use me as if I am some link to the system, so the abuse comes. I was even beginning look forward to it, anything helps me not to think too much.
Then a complete nutbat like Ms69 comes on without any story just attacks. It all suddenly became very boring. Snipey what she is doing with you is embaressingly obvious and you always were a sucker for kind word, bless your cotton socks. Read all her messages, she isn't sane and has not mentioned why she is around focusing on me.
But in the end none of it works. We're still sitting in our homes and when the message is 'sent' everything continues to be covered in this feeling of helplesness.
I do believe we have to stop being irrational about DoCS and stop calling them names like a collective beast like "monster", "devil". In the end this makes them bigger and scarier and undefeatable in our own minds and plants the seed in others.
No one can please everybody.
Thx Wild:
Its a Fact and I am the living example of corruption gone ramped.
I did and have tried to move on, but as long as I have this ball and chain Called DOCS around my neck,Squeezing the life out of me, I can Never ever move on,For it will follow me and destroy yet another family and love, that I try to build.
I can if you wish, Show everybody my documentations and where even a Blind,deaf Spastic will see the end result of that corruption, for it just Jumps at you.
No, I have never seen my 2 sons, to this day, My 1st son, I had to 9 months in secret,until I rang Docs requesting a half way point and the 2nd for only 20 minutes.
I have and still trying to fight just to have some form of contact with my kids, Legal aid wont help, Lawyers wont help, No one wants to help, cause it cost too much money that I just dont have.
Yes, I already pinpointed Graham as a retard, as for Jewely, she sits on the fence and takes sides when it suits her.
If what you say is truth,on them not so nice words, That is nothing compared to what DOCS say behind closed doors concerning myself.
I did join P4P 2 yrs ago and saw that going no where.
I am not here seeking Pity or to be friend anyone that has no concerns to me.
I seek justice and I seek a court date with DOCS, no more and no less.
I want that truth of me heard not behind closed doors but in the open.
I want the truth of DOCS murdering ways to also be told to the nation and the world.
DocSniper‘©’
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
DocSniper...
Thankyou for the information i asked you.
I can see you with the Lawyer side of things, See i have a friend that works in Family law and 'she' freely admitted unless you pay for a lawyer when fighting the dept you will get no where. unless the case is pretty clear when it comes to docs you never get granted legal aid for fighting dept. and legal aid is only granted to negotiate dealings with dept and court assessment orders and so forth, other words you have to pay private lawyer and that can be quiet expensive my Friend Charges $ 450 per hour! Lucky for me .. i have a friendship with Her.
But i know how the dept lie and corrupt things to see it how it is... you know the dept are claiming you are a sex offender.. do they have any 'proof' of this besides their 'gut feelings' ? i mean i know gut feelings are enough for emotional driven woman, What reasons have the dept got to deny you access? have you got written reasons in writing? have you tried the children services tribunal? Where do you live Sniper?
Oh i know Graham is a retard this person used a name called patty on this other forum and fought with everybody on their involved with dept and got her self banned, i was a viewer and quiet amusing but is here now since Jewely emailed her the link. the email each other.. like to be a fly on the email accounts.. just be careful... Jewely is A Foster carer don't trust her she says one thing one day and one thing another day... seems very strange to me.. prolly here trying to collect info for Dept..
I'm so sorry you don't get to see your sons, that is very important that familes maintain a health r/ship and constant contact but dept don't always oblige
I truly hope you Get Justice you Deserve it, and i don't wish to be you for one minute.. Lets hope everyone gets Justice..
Wild Flower
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So Stupid
Thank goodness it's your friend who is the lawyer because you have the brains of a nat.
You based this accusation of gathering information on what? I sent this link to someone over at RC? Hey I sent someone here a link to Raising Children. The other day I was somewhere else and I told a person to check out IHGD.
Oh my god I'm some sort of serial Link Passer!
Grow up.
I would say it more likely you are information gathering.
Oh it doesn't make sense now??
Cause it's a public forum dimwit! Anyone wants information they can come take a gander for themselves.
And why on earth are you bleating about Patty?
You obviously need to be given some little jobs to do so toddle off and spy on peoples e-mails. Makes you a great ethical source of information yourself.
Jewely your so silly...
So you have Made the assumption i have a brains of a nat based on a post made on a public forum.. very represented i think jules.. i could be purposely posting like a nat and you wouldn't know the difference, i don't think I'm that stupid since i WORK for my 'friend Lawyer' in her Office... Not so stupid after all one may think.
Why would you want to give all the Links out? i think you know i have the Brains and have worked out WHO graham really is mate. and you are trying to ramble on about sites and links to subside the actual truth here and facts nice try.
That is right it is a public and free forum and anyone can 'present' themselves for who ever they want to be. i mean i could be anybody i wanted to be, but if they hide behind alias's that are misleading you would have to ask why.. do they have something to hide or Hinder?
No One is Bleating about Patty i said i know Patty is Graham that is simple if you know what someone says when they say i know they are the same person and you know this too..
Who's email was i 'accused' of spying on? i don't have any emails.. Well expect yours of course!
Any way i have this Serious Question for you.. if you are a REAL foster carer how do you find the time to sit on all these forums all the time day/night while you care for children? do you neglect them? also you say you were investigated about the care of a child you had once as the parents complained i know the system and i know carers aren't subject to grilling if they didn't do anything or there is no suspicion of the care they provide to children. so tell me jules what did you do to the Child? i suspect the money is good.. You exploit children within the system for the almighty $$$ and its ok for foster parents not to work and be paid by the all mighty government money from tax payers but if the parents are unemployed dole blugers blah they are bad parents.. funny that is don't you think? do you work jules besides Fostering as i don't class that as a job, that is a hobby to do with the $$$
Also why did you take pictures of children while they were in the bath naked to show the dept pics from the result of the return from the parent... that is not your job seems strange too me.. i know foster carers are not to take pics of foster children.. what was your idea of that?
All i Have For now
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You want to take this to e-mail?
Why have I been asked three different times about computer usage and fostering?
Three times idiots have asked me late at night why I arn't caring for the kids. Oh cause they are sleeping!
You haven't studied me that well or you would know I am also an insomniac. Works out well when I have little babies.
Have you seen me call any unemployed parents bad parents? No because it has never happened, I was once solo (surely you looked this up) and on a benefit.
Oh and now you are going the way of - "you do it for money". So 8 years in NZ for 90 dollars a week. I fostered kids for the what? Profit? Good one.
Now a lot of the time I forget I am online, computer not out in the back shed, but middle of the house on kitchen bench next to the playroom. You must have seen photos, I posted them on the Raising Children site for goodness sake.
You are a nat, get back to cleaning your friends office.
jewely the nat
Ummm Maybe cause you are foster carer and people wonder how you can manage so much time on the net while fostering i suppose... and you don't just post at night while they sleep what about when they are awake through the day?
So you have Little Babies so cute... do you feel guilty that you take the babies opportunity to spend the baby and mum bonding time away from them by keeping them away from Mum along with the dept?
Well you agreed with Graham when it said welfare parents are bad parents so seems you don't disagree so to speak...
Oh By the way I have a friends in NZ and Qld that are foster parents and they make some good money and way more than $90 a week that one i don't buy jules... and why leave the computer on? what does that do for the environment?? not a good choice :)
Oh I'm A Nat.. don't think so.. that would be you.. i don't clean the office sorry again.. i will give you a Hint ... I File Paperwork...
Wild Flower
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. You must have been smelling the flowers too long
*Well you agreed with Graham when it said welfare parents are bad parents so seems you don't disagree so to speak...*
Nope, Graham didnt say that at all.
Welfare is there for deserving good
people and parents who through no making
of their own need and deserve a hand.
I dont have the interest to know peoples biz on this forum.
I tend to post on political issues and leave the squabbles to others.
May I say this however- There is a big difference between a mother who`s lost her husband for example in the Iraq war then junkies bludging off centre link.
Re DOCS I have no idea why he cant understand that DOCS might think perhaps he wouldnt be the best infulence around kids.
After all- He gave a where abouts of the time of being accused of abusing a minor.
The man was in goal he said for B+E and car stealing.
Now why cant DOCS get it right.
Good heavens i wonder what is wrong with our justise system when they question a persons abilty to teach the kids morals-- keep them off drugs-- respect authorties-- show respect-- not use fowl langage in front of the kids.
Graham
Okay about welfare Payments
Okay about welfare Payments yes some do abuse the centrelink system, but even as you put it the 'junkies' they have a problem and need help.. Why don't you think they deserve to have payments? they need to eat and live and have a right to receive welfare payments as well as any other person on welfare payments sure they need help but still they are a Australian resident and deserve equal rights as a human, i think the govt should step in and enforce intervention to help them, they are human after all and everyone makes mistakes... and yes Graham did say that i read it... oh by the way you didn't say you weren't Patty.. so are you?..
But you do have Views and squabbles and you are right now in your post you sent to this forum, you say you don't say things about people but you are slandering Doc Sniper.. you know you can be charged if what you are saying is not true fact? and a lawyer can serve the site with a order to get your details and prosecute you.. which in no doubt is prolly fake details as you are hiding behind the male gender these days me OL mate!
You why he would be good around the kids the fact he is not a pedophile nor has he abused any of his children and is not guilty of the crime or he would have spent up to 15 years in jail for that crime.
Sure he did Break and Enters and Stealing etc but most people these days do these things as silly youths or people with Problems but this does not affect his obligation to be a parent to the children or a good influence now for his kids
And for Fact he is a good Father and that is sure a fact. you know you can't say things like this that is so Wrong. you are a potty mouth, you know what DOCS did get it wrong in the sense of child protection concerns its all bull in paper.
But you know what yes he did break the law by having a sexual encounter with a 16 yo and the thing is she wanted it too.. or are you saying he raped her and she was unwilling... it takes two tango.. but yes he already admitted he was in the wrong and made a mistake, but people are entitled to make mistakes its a human thing to do we learn from our mistakes
he served time for it... and he has learned.. people do change..
and if you are here for political views why are you here and not in another forum this isn't a political view .. this is about a corrupt govt dept.. every one knows that happens to lie and corrupt other people to get what they want..
How is your hubby going in the FBI LOL
What job are you Doing this week?
Wild Flower
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Im beginning to like you Wild.
wasnt it the Government that started up safe shoot'em up houses for these So called junkies ?.
and for starters, the word Junkie, can relate to anything, even Food. but, we know to what Graham is referring to. I bet you"graham" are a hypocrite, stands out in the words you write.
Wild: if you happen to have that Information of facts of slander, then by all means, lead them to a court house, cause thats my other way in. to have someone, do just that, Slander me and that will open a door to DOCs to be accountable.
I also have Court documents to take DOCs to court, but cant obtain a lawyer to fill it out in a professional manner. I also have another way to get DOCs into a court room and you guessed it, No lawyer to help fill out the paper work.
My eldest son, Is a major witness, my last 4 partners also are perfect witness's. The polygraph test, That I past in flying colours. and others that truly know me.
You and or others may have to check this out, Dated Jan 2001, in brisbane. Two men, 18/19, get a 14 yr old girl, get her drunk, feed her drugs, Bashed and Raped her and then ganged raped her, for over 8 hours. All they got was a 2 yr probation,And I have already mentioned,in another post, A friend that has a 15 yr old daughter, has willing sex with older men, And Docs knows all about it and turns a blind eye to it. Yes, I didnt commit a crime and I paid for it a 100 fold.
Docs uses that 16 yr old and the only reason to their retarded thinking to why they murder my family.But there was two others before me and one after me with that 16 yr old, Now, how come those others are not in the same boat as me?.
How easy is it to just pick up a telephone and call DOCs and give a fake report?.
Im still getting it now, People ring up the council and tell them I have a dog that barks and runs on the streets, funny, That I dont own a dog. only on thursday, I got a visit from council workers, coming over cause someone said I got flood lights and I point them into their bedrooms, funny again, No flood lights.
And not that I really question you, Wild: but how do you know for a Fact? that I am a good Father ?. let alone a good man to my woman. what do you know, That I dont ?.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Good Morning Peoples
2 years for a gang rape? Over on IHGD there was a similar thing mentioned, some dude did 18 months for murder while someone else was in for over ten years (can't rmemeber the exact time) for sleeping with a teenage girl who aparantly was okay with it until her parents found out.
Sniper is the only thing DoCS have on you this 16 year old thing?
Did they eventually understand or admit to understanding that the other stuff was your brother?
Slander would be interesting. But have you managed to get anywhere with the shared custody? Any legal aid people listening?
Be careful with Ms 69Again, I think she went through messages and decided I liked you so is bending over backwards to make you think I don't and that she is your new best friend.
Very weird that over three different sites she is hopping back and forth reading my messages. Course she's taking them out of context in some freaky effort to try very hard to make me look bad. Might even be an upset caseworker.
morning Jewely'
*Be careful with Ms 69Again, I think she went through messages and decided I liked you so is bending over backwards to make you think I don't and that she is your new best friend.*
Question
Isn`t that the one who claims she 'found' the dog in the freezer!
Speaking of JUSTICE - I didnt see any for the murderd dog- or hear of a concern for the dog- or charges laid remorce ,,,....
My God we live in a dreadful world where selfish people THINK we are superior and fellow creatures do not matter.
Of course there is strong evidence which shows abuse to animals leads to abuse to people.
Jack the ripper could vouch for that.
Was that the person to whom you refer pretty lady.
Graham
Not on 3 sites sorry
Not on 3 sites sorry Jewely... make that 2... and not checking your messages, get over yourself.. am i old case worker? ha that is funny, but thankyou i'm flattered.
me taking them out of context? i think sniper can see what you we're saying about him,
no need to be careful .. i'm the honest one here jewely.
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Face to face shoot me. - Face to back:- I get to shoot you:)
.* am i old case worker? ha that is funny, but thankyou i'm flattered. *
Well there you have it Duckie
A DOC supporter- or maybe even a Doc Spider:
Gee, I dont know if I would say I was flattered either.
Um, Perhaps its just as well we will never know;;
I get the impression number 69 is trying to do a number 96.
Like they say careful of your enermies, but even more so of your mates:)
Graham
No, You Prolley will never
No, You Prolley will never know.. but if i was a say old 'case' Worker why would i admit.. but i guess you will never know.. you will have to Guess that one.. or have you already...
So What am i a supporter or a spider? ... get this if i work for Dept why would i judge them so much? or is that my act?
you have a funny chain of thought. Here to Give Advise that is all..
i also signed up to give accurate advise to Shirley see you told her there is no Family court In South port only in Brisbane and that is incorrect,
:)
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Advise--- Family Laws acts + Stop 'panicking'
Shirley needs
A To get her daughter off here.
B Take the good advise already given.
C Not to go 'near' any family court lawyers on the
Gold Coast.( Which was what I was refering to.)
D To follow DOCS rules and stop creating even 'more' problems
E While doing that to seek advise on a intra order- which can 'ONLY be heard in Brisbane'
She will find a 'good Lawyer' in Bis and a good 'Silk'
Just wondering however, if she`s taken 'everything' the daughter has told her on face value.
Caution- Its a lot of money to waiste to get a nasty surprise in court.
Eg I was forwared a private email (from a certain young lady) informing me Lukes Dad was awared 30g compo and blew it on pot.
Didn`t cost me 20 grand or even 6 grand to find out it was a porkie.
Oh and BTW ,Shirley herself needs to find some manners. As she contacted my friend on a 'Sunday Evening- how rude, and spoke for hours- I would have thought a Tar Graham was just a normal response.
Which brings me back to kids.
They all 'learn' by way of example- Maybe thats the real problem here after all- and the conspiracy alligations, are just that.
She might even do well, to keep 'her money' in the bank. I am sure, there will be another drama just around the corner.
Who knows perhaps they enjoy drama- you certainly seem to.
Other than Lukes Dad , Jewles, and myself I have not seen ONE of you with any interest in helping one another.
I tend to offer my time for free to those who sound 'deserving.
So I ask again
Where are you Dizy. Talk to me.
Graham
Well I don't think Shirley
Well I don't think Shirley Believes everything her Daughter say's you can't believe everything she says as she is the 'perpetrator' in the eyes of the dept and the one on display the only thing she can take on value is the affidavits about the case, which she should be given to fight for her Grandkid/s and my Friend on the Coast here she is a family law Lawyer and she is good at what she does so you can't say they are all bad,
Also intra order can be heard in the South Port court. and I'm sure shirley would be willing to risk some $$$ just to get her Grandchildren. i know some parents that are working within the dept policies and are getting no where.
But i do agree she needs to Not Fight the dept as she won't get anywhere. she needs to agree to certian things with them and cooporate and address any child protection concerns they may have if she ain't taking it to family Court. but i can't see why she doesn't apply directly to Dept for KINSHIP care is is pretty straight forward Process and anyone can do it, if she has no criminal history and they will screen her and then make a final outcome.
But the Thing is she is prolly confused and hurt with what is going on and distressed, i mean that's why she prolly called on a sunday.. but she should have said thankyou :)
She could also Try the Children Services Tribunal
There are a lot here that offer Help in their Own Way, some have Bitness, stubbornness, and some pure hatred, and yeah some Like Drama but i mean come on who doesn't ? like i said i am here to offer advise.
there is no conspiracy when it comes to dept they do is what they feel is best for the child even if you disagree, if you do their are avenues to take or simply address child protection concerns, but i must admit there are workers out there that do 'lie' in dept paperwork and i have seen it first Hand .. Trust me its not Pretty.. and One of the Manager was court lieing on the Stand in Trial...
But that is all for now..
If you ain't here for drama .. why do you degrade Sniper?
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Wild Child
Now 'that' was worth a read. Much better.
Cant comment on your friends practise. Possible- Even so where`s she going to get good brief from.?
Don`t say Gold Coast...So a brief is going to have to travel from Brisbane.
Cheaper and more effective to engage both that end.
I`1l talk about the orders later. Busy.
*If you ain't here for drama .. why do you degrade Sniper?*
Nope I dont- he` does that himself swearing.+
The short answer is to make him do it better.
Also pls dont forget I am also entiled to my opinion.
I am crook on the Governments allowing unfit people to have kids who have no way of supporting them! in the first place.
I make no apoligies for that. It`s their job to protect children- but they have ZERO standards required to 'have kids.
Graham
Graham
That Was A better read cause i was stating what i feel and think and better thought out i guess.
The Brief would have to come from Brisbane, but it ain't that expensive to ship the brief to south port. it would be more expensive to travel to Brisbane and find a park and pay the meter than to get the brief shipped to South Port.
i will say the Gold Coast as look at my Above statement it would be cheaper to ship the brief than to pay for fuel and travel fees and meter etc
no not really cheaper when you way up the cost's side of things.. think about it... Fuel money to travel to Brisbane, Parking meter Fee's, and Lawyer cost's and its the same cost weather it be a Brisbane or Gold coast Lawyer they have the same standard fee of Travel and attendance FEE'S ...
And My friend has a Practice that is really good and has one 90% of her cases in court. she is good at what she does..and i was going to offer shirley advise from her.. she could really use it if she decides to fight the dept and not abide with them and their concerns but she could also help her apply for Kinship she wanted too do that too.. she is a principal Family Law Specialist.
THE orders are pretty Straight Forward one may think from what i know.
Sniper is allowed to swear it is a free country and free Forum i don't swear personally but he has a lot of anger and hatred and every right to do so, he has been misplaced and abused by our System.
I Hate to agree with you but i do agree people that can't afford to have children should not rear them at all and should be deemed unfit, see i know alot in care that are in the position directly
it is their job to protect children and should do at any chance they believe a child is being abused or could be abused in the future if it has happened in the past.
Wild Flower
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Briefs : to Wild Child from Graham
*That Was A better read cause i was stating what i feel and think and better thought out I guess*.
Yep, so why don`t you do that
all the time. Stop t5o smell the roses.
Enjoyed your post.
You just put a grin on my face which threatened to be a smile. - ‘so thanks’. Mind you I almost dropped my beer in my lap..=
*The Brief would have to come from Brisbane, but it ain't that expensive to ship the brief to south port. it would be more expensive to travel to Brisbane and find a park and pay the meter than to get the brief shipped to South Port..*
Hehe, wild child love it:)
The brief dear, I was referring to, was the ‘Barrister’ sometimes also known as -Council ,Silk, but more often ```Brief```- A in-house legal term.
*I will say the Gold Coast as look at my above statement it would be cheaper to ship the brief than to pay for fuel and travel fees and meter etc *
Well I must say that`s a good case for the Lord Mayor to look at given ‘Briefs’ travel at around$1,500 per hour- I`d have to agree:)
Ar, but its all a bit of fun.
*And my friend has a Practice that is really good and has one 90% of her cases in court. *
If your friend runs her ‘ own practise’ that doable. In which case she will already have her own, council she briefs, on a regular basis …
IMO women do get better results in family Law practises. They are more attuned-basically .
She`s also lucky to have a someone like you, who appreciates her. Pretty thankless job most times.
*And I was going to offer Shirley advise from her... she could really use it if she decides to fight the dept and not abide with them and their concerns but she could also help her apply for Kinship she wanted too do that too.. She is a principal Family Law Specialist. *
That’s very sweet of you, and I suppose in hindsight there may be some talent on the Gold Coast now…….
*THE orders are pretty Straight Forward one may think from what i know.*
Trust me NOTHING is ever straight forward in family law! Ask your friend. On that much I am’ sure’ we will agree.
Just before you do that- may I offer YOU some advise? Just email the number to Shirley`s private address and let her take it from there.
You respect this friend and I imagine would not wish to lose her respect either. Shirley`s a big girl.
*Sniper is allowed to swear it is a free country and free Forum I don't swear personally but he has a lot of anger and hatred and every right to do so, he has been misplaced and abused by our System.*
Oh dear ,and you were doing so well. Your of course entitled to your opinion as I mine. How disappointing you have put yourself on that level IMOP.
I was beginning to enjoy my chat with the thoughtful lady. But I can`t say lady now. At least not to me I would suggest.
Let me see now, what else could I refer to you as- Er, woman um, female, perhaps you prefer Shelia. Nah thats probably too old for you.
I fear my wisdom is showing….
*I Hate to agree with you* - I am sure you do dear:)
* but i do agree people that can't afford to have children should not rear them at all and should be deemed unfit, see i know alot in care that are in the position directly*
Um, wel now , what do you see, as a first step, the Government need to make, to change that horrible and costly situation?
*it is their job to protect children and should do at any chance they believe a child is being abused or could be abused in the future if it has happened in the past. *
Yes I agree with you, but isn’t that what the complaints are about? People are complaining “at any chance” they are jumping in to protect children?
Common sense tells us they are BOUND to get it wrong at times. You have personality’s and lack of funds, thousands of complaints, under staffing ,just to mention a few.
. Not to mention the whole thing is overseen by Governments who couldn’t run a chook raffle.
Graham
To Graham
Yeah better conversations are better when you stop to think what you are talking about and Make sense LOL
I'm Glad i could make you smile.. well i think
i have never heard the term 'brief' used a barrister before will ask My Friend about that Term.
interesting to know that in the Future, so i know what you are referring to.
Talking about the Gold coast and the Mayor, i Was Parking the other day in the alley to Pick up Some Files from Probation to take back to the office for another case and i got a parking fine $35 and i was only 2 mins late.. and i said i was going to write to the mayor Damn Coast and Meter Men!
Yeah she Runs her own Practice with another Female Lawyer, she is good. she Won Female Lawyer of the Year in the Law Awards, Was so Proud Of her, she specializes in Family law and DV and Child Protection Matters.
I Will Email Shirley her Details now and let her take it from There..
*THE orders are pretty Straight Forward one may think from what i know.*
Oh I Agree she is a big girl and i hope she gets some help from this Law Firm, good Work and the initial appointment is free :)
Doc Sniper well what can i say he is Angry with the System and he has every right too. i mean i would too if i we're abused by the System and our Governing Child protection Laws.
You can call me what ever you want , i don't care.. names don't bother me..
i think Australia need to lower living cost so the average Joe can afford to live and have children.
But as The Dept it is their Job to 'jump in and Protect Children' could you imagine if they failed to do so the guilt that the dept would have to carry in the future? it is better to protect the children then let future children that are at intense risk suffer in the hand of a perpetrator but i tend to disagree if you have no previous child protection concerns and they just come and take with no assessments or intervention to help parents.
every parent deserves a right to prove they are worthy to parent the child if they are in care or at risk of being in care etc
I mean someone has to protect the children that are vulnerable and at future possible risk.
But i do agree the dept do get it wrong at times and everybody has to pay for that but mainly the child in mention
i reckon a review board should be in place that every case is reviewed along with the dept workers
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father
i am stating you are a good father off what your post's have been, very consistent and true to the point and no porkies made so to speak,
but it would have to be asked why others that have had sex with under age girls are all not in the same boat as you why are they selective.
These Members we are talking about like to slander people it seems. They also think they know it all so to speak.
Just be careful of them :)
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No, not father. Papa
Yes, Wild: I have to agree, I am A very Good Papa.
Here is just a little EG: to how, I raised my kids.
By the time my son reached 2, he could read and write, not as adults do, but can write his full name and can read his name, my name,his mothers name, he had the ability with numbers and I encouraged him to pursue this.
He was well mannered, with please and thank yous, Everybody that knew him, loved him. This also applied to my daughter at age 2, could read and write and say her full name,where she lived, tell you the home phone number.
My 2 kids, even if the knew you, will never let you in the house,but come and get myself or the mother.
It all fell apart, the night my 7 week old son dies. and I wasnt much of a papa, yes, I still looked after my son, he went to school, he had food and a roof and a bed to sleep in, where I fail as that Papa, I didnt spend time with him, Ya know, playing in the back yard, go fishing and or camping, goto the movies, all the things people take for granted. Thats where I fail.
But he was still with me till 21. where I just couldnt look at him, being told I frked him. I err'd in kicking him out, and I hate myself for doing that, but thats human nature to a reaction beyond your control.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Hi Doc Sniper, you sound like
Hi Doc Sniper, you sound like you reared your children all the right way, i mean for a 2 year old to know them kind of things is just amazing.
Well Done. But you know how you said you made mistakes with your son later on and things you wished you could have done/changed etc well all parents aren't perfect and we all make mistakes , well that would be where i would insert that comment.
You did the best Job you could possibly do ... and you should be so proud of yourself and possibly in the children's life as well though now.. But that isn't happening for you right now... But Good Luck With It All.
Wild Flower
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I know what I can do and not do.
Yes, I know I did, I know also to how many friends were so Impressed to how my kids were.
I know I did fail as a dad to my eldest son, not only did i lose a son to death, but my eldest also lost a brother and more.
True. no one is perfect to raising kids, no book will ever teach that, it comes from having the said child to learn to be a father, from my 1st to my last, I will always learn.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Yeah i know we all seem to
Yeah i know we all seem to fail at some point.
i think our first child is our learning ground but that is part of learning and showing your parenting skills and within that field you don't want to fail the child as well but like i said all parents fail at some point in the parenting side of things even if people don't want to admit it , they know they do. i mean children are not born with hand books as much as the dept would like it, maybe that's a good idea and every parent would know what to do then we wouldn't have any kids in care!
but all parents learn from child to child!
off for the logies , shall return later.
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Foster Parents
I will clear some stuff up now since the accusations seem to have slowed down.
Yes foster parents can take photos of children. As many as they want. What we can't do is send the photos on to parents if there is another child in the photograph.
In NZ, you got paid fornightly, same as here. When I started around 1998 it was 86.00 a week for a 0 - 5 year old, when I left NZ in 2003 it had climbed all the way up to 92.00 a week.
Aussie pays more but it is different state by state, in NSW it is nearly 200.00 a week for 0 - 5 year old. One NGO I know pays their carers over 300.00 a week for the same aged child.
In my case I have an income and am not on a benefit of any kind through centrelink. If I did not foster I would be bored and miss the kids, not broke.
If a parent has a concern on a visit (this is my experience) a caseworker pops in and has a look at a bruise or a scratch and also they have been known to take photos. They ask me how they got whatever mark on them.
I cannot tell you names or birth dates of children in my care. This is a privacy law I agree with.
I do not personally go out and take children from their parents. I get random calls from caseworkers and I get told the gender, ages, how many and asked if I would like to look after them and what time they will arrive.
Often I am not told why they are with me or any medical history.
Here in Australia I have never met any parents although on occasion notes and photos are exchanged.
The suggestion of foster parents playing mind games, makes no sense to me. I foster short term and I know they will eventually leave to go back to mum or dad or both or move on in to long term care.
Again a process I have nothing to do with, I do not comment on the parents to caseworkers and I have never been included in any plan concerning any young childs future in Australia.
And finally, boring as it may seem, I had a rather average childhood and was never abused by an adult. I started fostering when my youngest started school. My youngest is now 17. Her name is Jennifer and she has an account on this site.
Wild Child Stop to Smell the roses and 'live'
Wild child said-
Okay about welfare Payments
*Okay about welfare Payments yes some do abuse the centreline system,*
REPLY:
Well thank You that wasn’t so hard was it?
* 'junkies' they have a problem and need help.*.
REPLY:
Yup, but its not spending the tax payers money as soon as the cheque comes through to buy a hit. Then doing B=Es to buy more and feed their kids,- or themselves.
Clearly its also the Governments job to protect the rest of society from being ripped off considering they pay for it. No fair minded person minds helping the really poor.
Didn’t I see somewhere in a Government sponsored programme they teach parents NOT to give Cash to anybody using drugs.
If they are on drugs them stick them in an army camp and you can go and keep the top dogs clean. Make sure you don’t have any leaders running up a second job lol
If they are women with kids- Pay the rent and give food vouchers and report to a DOCS office three times a week. On those visits they will provide a sample.
No show- No more momyarno- and you don’t get to keep the kids- simple.
After all it’s the kids we must protect. Agreed Wild Child? My beefup isn’t with you but the Governments who FAIL the little kids. I still say if Foster parents must have a blue card- Why not All? Explain that to me will you BTW?
Because if everybody had to apply for a blue card- they would pick up on drugs in anybodies system and provide proper medical attention to babies at birth and tale other steps to protect that child from a irresponsible parent – or parents.
Wild Child said-
*by the way you didn't say you weren't Patty.. So are you?..*
REPLY:
If you are suggesting I am using duel ID on this site, I find that ‘offensive’
Wild child said-.
*But you do have Views and squabbles*
RELPY:
Nope, I argue the ‘topic’- not the person and I do so vigorously.
Child-
*you are slandering Doc Sniper.*
REPLY, Nope- DOC put his case up for public opinion. That includes ever bodies opinions. I gave mine….
Child-
. *You know you can be charged if what you are saying is not true fact?*
REPLY
Nope, you can say anything if in giving an opinion- providing of course it doesn’t lead to defamation of character…. I hardily think that’s applicable lol….
Child-
A lawyer can serve the site with a order to get your details and prosecute.
REPLY:
Nope- You have been reading too many sensible posts I would suggest- quite possibly on some other forum
A Lawyer would have a cause of action to even FILE for a order, let alone win. Legal aid don’t do defamation cases so sorry dream on …
But lets say ‘IF’ a lawyer appeared and somehow got his cause of action…..(don’t know how) He /she would then have to show a loss of income from work place – or show why comments had effected a persons reputation so badly – that BTW were UNTRUE it warrants damages.
Again- Hardly relevant ….
Also let me WSPA a little secret to you. Its not myself or yourself he applicant would have to pursue by law but the owner and the provider of the source.
I certainly would never put a Forum owner in such a position.
Which was partly why I even bothered to comment in the first place.
DOC’s filthy swearing, all over somebody else’s web site in ‘their name’ gives insight to – (and here’s that word again) character
Needless to say OMOP yours is same….. hence , I concluded that by your support.
BTW Are you on medication?
Child-
*He served time for it... and he has learned.. people do change.*.
REPLY
Yup, do the crime and do your time. IMOP it sounds to me he did the time for B=E and car stealing. There is some reference there I think…. To sleeping with a minor…
Was he charged- Sounds like it. He claimed the mother wanted him to marry the girl… Um, … well,, ar.,, did she. Anyway not relevant now I AGREE with you- “shock horror”
No sweet petal I wasn’t judging him on ANY of that. Just the way in which he presented himself on this forum. The way he hates all authority from Church to police Docs army etc..
I asked myself- Would I want someone who taught kids disrespect and hate and swore in public around kids and being a parent role. Maybe that’s what DOCS did.
Then I got VERY ANGRY with the Government. You people amuse me. You come in here looking for catty fights not answers. Your not worried about finding solutions for these little kids, your just venting your aggression because you either were not taught how to assimilate or screwed your life up.
Another little Secret
Most people DO manage to run their own lives- have kids- work hard and NEVER hear from DOCS
I wonder why that is- Do you think..
Child-
* You... which in no doubt are prolly fake details as you are hiding behind the male gender these days me OL mate!*
REPLY
You are so worried as to my true ID- Why? Ms Wild Flower
*How is your hubby going in the FBI LOL*
REPLY-
See what I mean—Lol Quite frankly what industry my family work in is none of your business….
Child-
What job are you Doing this week?
REPLY
Gathering all the children and their parents together and showing them this= It could save their lives IF they wake up to the Governments lies- and stop being so self centred for one minute-
http://www.themeatrix.com/
Graham
Wild Child Stop to Smell the roses and 'live'
Wild child said-
Okay about welfare Payments
*Okay about welfare Payments yes some do abuse the centreline system,*
REPLY:
Well thank You that wasn’t so hard was it?
* 'junkies' they have a problem and need help.*.
REPLY:
Yup, but its not spending the tax payers money as soon as the cheque comes through to buy a hit. Then doing B=Es to buy more and feed their kids,- or themselves.
Clearly its also the Governments job to protect the rest of society from being ripped off considering they pay for it. No fair minded person minds helping the really poor.
Didn’t I see somewhere in a Government sponsored programme they teach parents NOT to give Cash to anybody using drugs.
If they are on drugs them stick them in an army camp and you can go and keep the top dogs clean. Make sure you don’t have any leaders running up a second job lol
If they are women with kids- Pay the rent and give food vouchers and report to a DOCS office three times a week. On those visits they will provide a sample.
No show- No more momyarno- and you don’t get to keep the kids- simple.
After all it’s the kids we must protect. Agreed Wild Child? My beefup isn’t with you but the Governments who FAIL the little kids. I still say if Foster parents must have a blue card- Why not All? Explain that to me will you BTW?
Because if everybody had to apply for a blue card- they would pick up on drugs in anybodies system and provide proper medical attention to babies at birth and tale other steps to protect that child from a irresponsible parent – or parents.
Wild Child said-
*by the way you didn't say you weren't Patty.. So are you?..*
REPLY:
If you are suggesting I am using duel ID on this site, I find that ‘offensive’
Wild child said-.
*But you do have Views and squabbles*
RELPY:
Nope, I argue the ‘topic’- not the person and I do so vigorously.
Child-
*you are slandering Doc Sniper.*
REPLY, Nope- DOC put his case up for public opinion. That includes ever bodies opinions. I gave mine….
Child-
. *You know you can be charged if what you are saying is not true fact?*
REPLY
Nope, you can say anything if in giving an opinion- providing of course it doesn’t lead to defamation of character…. I hardily think that’s applicable lol….
Child-
A lawyer can serve the site with a order to get your details and prosecute.
REPLY:
Nope- You have been reading too many sensible posts I would suggest- quite possibly on some other forum
A Lawyer would have a cause of action to even FILE for a order, let alone win. Legal aid don’t do defamation cases so sorry dream on …
But lets say ‘IF’ a lawyer appeared and somehow got his cause of action…..(don’t know how) He /she would then have to show a loss of income from work place – or show why comments had effected a persons reputation so badly – that BTW were UNTRUE it warrants damages.
Again- Hardly relevant ….
Also let me WSPA a little secret to you. Its not myself or yourself he applicant would have to pursue by law but the owner and the provider of the source.
I certainly would never put a Forum owner in such a position.
Which was partly why I even bothered to comment in the first place.
DOC’s filthy swearing, all over somebody else’s web site in ‘their name’ gives insight to – (and here’s that word again) character
Needless to say OMOP yours is same….. hence , I concluded that by your support.
BTW Are you on medication?
Child-
*He served time for it... and he has learned.. people do change.*.
REPLY
Yup, do the crime and do your time. IMOP it sounds to me he did the time for B=E and car stealing. There is some reference there I think…. To sleeping with a minor…
Was he charged- Sounds like it. He claimed the mother wanted him to marry the girl… Um, … well,, ar.,, did she. Anyway not relevant now I AGREE with you- “shock horror”
No sweet petal I wasn’t judging him on ANY of that. Just the way in which he presented himself on this forum. The way he hates all authority from Church to police Docs army etc..
I asked myself- Would I want someone who taught kids disrespect and hate and swore in public around kids and being a parent role. Maybe that’s what DOCS did.
Then I got VERY ANGRY with the Government. You people amuse me. You come in here looking for catty fights not answers. Your not worried about finding solutions for these little kids, your just venting your aggression because you either were not taught how to assimilate or screwed your life up.
Another little Secret
Most people DO manage to run their own lives- have kids- work hard and NEVER hear from DOCS
I wonder why that is- Do you think..
Child-
* You... which in no doubt are prolly fake details as you are hiding behind the male gender these days me OL mate!*
REPLY
You are so worried as to my true ID- Why? Ms Wild Flower
*How is your hubby going in the FBI LOL*
REPLY-
See what I mean—Lol Quite frankly what industry my family work in is none of your business….
Child-
What job are you Doing this week?
REPLY
Well I havent been killing Dogs and stuffing them in the freezer thats for sue.lol...
Gathering all the children and their parents together and showing them this= It could save their lives IF they wake up to the Governments lies- and stop being so self centred for one minute-
http://www.themeatrix.com/
Graham
No Medication here Graham are
No Medication here Graham are you on it?
Umm i think Docsniper has proved enough on what he has done etc and yes it is a public forum but that doesn't give you the right to judge who he is..
Also i am glad you don't kill dogs or freeze them, very sad indeed if you did :(
And i have Talked to somebody and they Told me you we're this 'patty' and seems to me they we're right
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Dog Killers Tracked Down and dealt with .
*Also i am glad you don't kill dogs or freeze them, very sad indeed if you did :( *
No but I keep track of those who do, and 'eventually' bring them to Justice.
The fact that you, can 'smile' over such a topic is truely sickening.
Yeh, I have heard it all before.
I couldnt help it- I was raped as a child
I was on drugs- and much more.
Let me assure you- killing a dog , stuffing it a freezer- and calling the cops, to fake 'attention' is evil. There are plenty of people who have taken drugs that would never THINK of such a low act.
It would have to come from somebody who MUST be the centre of attention.
Who shows no remorce.....
Ring any bells!
Graham
I have proven these things
I have spoken the truth from word go, have not altered once,as docs versions of me does.
I have proven there is corruption within the ranks of government.
I have proven the system will abuse the innocence to not be held accountable.
I have proven MY worth to people that mattered in my life.
I have proven I am NO kid frker.
I have proven how society turns there back on people seeking Justice.
I have proven,There is no human rights in this country.
This is for everybody here, to think about to how intelligent you all are.
( Now you will also see the Christian side of me,the battle to be Christ like when confronted with Human Anger ).
Church's now have Gay people preaching the word of god, This gay priest commands me not to sin and to live as god wanted me to live, Yet,this gay priest will go home and get butt frked and be a hypocrite.
So, here is your test.
You all should have heard the parable of the good Samaritan.
Now explain to me,in detail to your understanding and to decipher its true meaning.
I bet No one gets it. cause even Priests dont know the true response as they a program to be repeaters.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Doc Sniper i have to agree.
Doc Sniper i have to agree. you know i have been Involved in a few Cases and i have read paperwork from the dept on a few cases all the versions of accounts seem to gradually change over time and yet the parents versions do not change .. strange that may be..
Look Sniper if you we're a kid f'ker you would be Charged and Possibly serving time in Jail and you aren't :)
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Sometimes I wish I was,then it would be justified.
DOCs version swapping is proof in itself of the uneducated attitude and unprofessional conduct,all they know is how to manipulate and fabricate, thats what they learn from Uni.
And sometimes, i sit here in tears and wish I did commit those animal acts. Then it would justify all this. and I wouldnt even be here, Ya right, I be either in prison or dead.
But! i know, I have never ever done anything remotely to Docs fabrications, hence the polygraph testing that I undertook willingly. DOCs then say, polygraph testing is Fake, Cause they cant beat that.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
You just keep proven your a retard.
Graham: without a doubt,your the biggest retard I have ever come across on any forums, and compared to DOCS, I see no difference tween the two of you's.
Go back and re-read to what I wrote and Stated, it was NOT the 16 yr, BUT, the mother that Stated to all, That we, as the Mother and I, are getting married, I refused for 7 months, it was after that 7 months,the mother moves out, and the next day, I obtain a visit from the cops. Now, how did you twist it to be the 16 yr old?.
and how is there a Reference of 82 of B/E's,Ect, compared to 2001 for unlawful carnal knowledge ?.how is that transfered to being a Pedo ?.
and Sleeping with a minor ????. No, I never ever was sleeping with her, I had willing sex, a one off.
And yes,. you are Judging.
And yes, I am very anger with the law of authority, two cops attack me,the night my baby dies, and to this very day, I dont even know to why they even touched me. 5 cops surround me to steal my new born, 7 cops hover around me and tell me I am a terrorist that wants to take hostages.
Church's are the biggest joke going, All fake.
And theres is your Judgement, when you State " I asked myself- Would I want someone who taught kids disrespect and hate and swore in public around kids and being a parent role. "
I really dont have to justify my life to a wanker like you. But, I love rubbing in the Fact your a retard.
Normally I dont swear, thats the human side of anger and bitterness,that you just dont seem to understand, its call human behavior, Do you have a diploma in that ?. Cause I do.
I didnt frk up my life, DOCs did. I didnt leave my woman or the family, I am dragged away. I didnt abuse my woman,Docs did, I didnt abuse my kids,Docs did.
Dont you really think,you should get out of your kitty litter and you Smell the roses. Docs are genociding,to who can and who cant be a man to a woman and a father to kids.
It is Human nature to have offsprings to carry your gene to the next. It is human nature to be loved and wanted, It is human nature to stand up and fight when retards like you,point the finger. it is human nature to defend when attacked.
Until You, read all my documents,Until YOU, spend quality time with me, you have no idea to who I am.
If you got the ballz, I challenge you to do just that. Spend time with me and see for yourself how retarded your thinking really is.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
No Sniper, don't explain your
No Sniper, don't explain your self to no one.
you have already had to justify your self to the depths of the dept. and to be accused on a daily basis of being a pedophile day in day out is bad enough,i seriously don't know how you do it in all fairness my hat is off to you.
You know the corrupt dept workers don't keep families together instead they are tearing them apart.
you know the thing dept workers call parents and get away with is beyond any corruption if i ever did see it.
so far you are a sick pedophile, a bad influence, collect child porn, have a huge Criminal History record, and accused of molesting your own child, i mean come on how do these people expect one to cope?
what do you do to cope? besides fighting for justice?
I Hope one day you Find Happiness with a lovely Lady..
Wild Flower
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Yaps, Ya a retard to 100%
What I did in my youth, did not govern what I do as a adult, That 1st time in a goal, was 1982 and the 2nd time,2001, bit of a gap there,Ay,And two different issues,But you have that gap where a brain is suppose to be in your head.
Let me also advise you, I and I alone raised my eldest son from the age of 2, NO retarded DOCS then, ? why ?,According to DOCS I was molesting him and other children. he was still with me till 21. he has never been to a prison, he works and makes a living and doing good in life. Thats what a father only hopes for. The 3 things I never wanted to happen to him, Hasnt, He hasnt been molested,he didnt become guy and he hasnt gone to prison. now what makes you think I cant raise a child to turn out good?.
According to your retarded thinking, A man, cant rehabilitate, Since I was released,I didnt nothing to even warrant the action of DOCS.
Been 8 stinking frking years, I try to build a life, and you and your thinking condemns the souls that try's to fit back in,I didnt fail, The system did.Since you seem to have all the answers. Tell me how did I molester 3 children while in a Max Sec Prison ?. Tell me how I can be in two places at the same time in different cities ?.
Oh!!! didnt you know ?. War is the legal way a government culls Humans.
Thats the only smart thing I read of you "Now why cant DOCS get it right." cause they retarded just like you, and you will also never get it right.
You seem to have a major issue concerning Drugs, Like everything else man made, its not the device that hurts or kills, its the person using it. Remember a thing called Free Will.
But, honestly, I have tried so hard to see from your point of view, Seem I cant shave my head up my arse as far as you do.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Docsniper
DON'T worry what it says about you they don't know you.
and we all learn from our Mistakes etc but it is people like this that makes judgment that knows nothing.
you raised your son to who he is today you should be so proud of yourself you have done so well :)
You know the only people that have issues are the dept and people like this, but they don't know who you really are and you couldn't care less.. don't explain yourself you don't need to.
well done on everything :)
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Sadly, I do have to.
Does anyone have any clue to what it feels like to be told, I frked my son ?.
Does anyone have a Iota to that pain, being told constantly I frk children, boys and girls, Im shocked DOCs didnt add sheep in there to.
Even to total strangers I am so very Open and I have to Explain myself and the actions I did, while walking in hell. A few wrongs in life,learnt the hard way, But, not one person has looked at all the good I have done.
I have stopped young people committing suicide,I have lead no one astray. My home at one time was filled with friends and also my sons friends, Now, even my shadow is no where to be seen. I do have friends that I can count on just One hand.
My home,was a home of love and laughter. Jodie,a woman,that gave me a son, with hope with God to build a foundation to family.
Docs just came and plainly murdered it all. Demoralized Jodie to the point to hate me, Even Jodie,stated,what right does anybody have to kill love and to state who can be with who.
The only Issues with DOCS, is that they are all retarded, cause they Frk'd up and from word go, I screamed out compensation. It is that compensation,that is the Issue to it all, cause it wont be a 20.000 deal with a fake sorry, It will be in the Millions.
I made it thus so far and I plan never to give up. Braveheart said it oh so well, you can kill me, but you cant kill the truth.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
No Sniper, don't explain your
No Sniper, don't explain your self to no one.
you have already had to justify your self to the depths of the dept. and to be accused on a daily basis of being a pedophile day in day out is bad enough,i seriously don't know how you do it in all fairness my hat is off to you.
You know the corrupt dept workers don't keep families together instead they are tearing them apart.
you know the thing dept workers call parents and get away with is beyond any corruption if i ever did see it.
so far you are a sick pedophile, a bad influence, collect child porn, have a huge Criminal History record, and accused of molesting your own child, i mean come on how do these people expect one to cope?
what do you do to cope? besides fighting for justice?
I Hope one day you Find Happiness with a lovely Lady..
Wild Flower
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Even I am shocked I havnt snapped.
No, I have never been question by DOCS and or Cops concerning any Sexual activities to children, only that 16 yr old. in 8 yrs all ive got, was, You are, you are, you are.
i seriously don't know how I do it either, many times I sit in front of this computer and think, what do I have to do, to bring focus upon this Issue of Abuse. So far its my Big mouths thats doing all the work and this attitude I have, giving to me by DOCs.
To be forced to be so alone, to be forced to live in conditions I have never been in before, yet I adapt to it.
Lets not also forget, That I have a very UNhealth obsession with my X partners,That I am paranoid and a schizophrenic,a terrorist, According to DOCs,.
As for this Lovely lady, I had them and then they are ripped away. But in order to have again, she must not have kids and I like redheads with freckles, my size and thats rare in itself.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
God Help this country!
*Does anyone have any clue to what it feels like to be told, I frked my son ?.*Snipe.
Snipe Stop your snivelling.
Let`s get something straight. I have zero interest in particular cases. Nor the time.
I am sure you see nothing wrong with your terminology, but yet again it doesn’t paint a picture of someone I* would see as a worthy candidate for help in my eyes.
My comments are a political position and not personal. I was asked about your case however and what my opinion was. As you have put yourself up as offering- I will comment on this part at least. Now listening carefully, because this is “my opinion. Anybody who would use somebody else`s name, for FREE I might add, isn’t much to use such language.
You are disrespectful ,of not ‘only the owner of the forum,’ but any person lady or gentleman child who might read it. This is somebody else`s home site web page What gives you the right to swear and carry in some body else`s place or in public.
If you ‘ must why not start you own web page instead of using his/her`s
SHOW SOME RESPECT!
I see you as somebody ‘without basic morals principles’ unwilling to be answerable for your own life actions behaviour bills etc .
Possibly a product of a similar background, there by, knowing little difference. Another victim I suppose IMO>You asked remember.,
*My home ,was a home of love and laughter. Jodie ,a woman, that gave me a son, with hope with God to build a foundation to family.*
You DARE mention GOD. How dare you on the same page as such discussing language – yet again! - And you reckon YOU are good Dad material!! Huh , No I don’t think so and clearly neither did DOCS.
* I screamed out compensation.* It is that compensation,that is the Issue to it all, cause it wont be a 20.000 deal with a fake sorry, It will be in the Millions.*
Your idiot, Where is your cause of action. Er, to ‘you’ that’s proof of loss of income from your business?
Weren’t you the one with 7 kids and one on the way all cheque up at centre link?
Or is that another drop kick… doesn’t matter …
I will answer one more of your posts- and that’s it.
Meet you? Why on earth would I want to be in your company, anyway Its probably NOT in your best interest.
Graham
Never even...
"You are disrespectful ,of not ‘only the owner of the forum,’ but any person lady or gentleman child who might read it. This is somebody else`s home site web page What gives you the right to swear and carry in some body else`s place or in public.
If you ‘ must why not start you own web page instead of using his/her`s"
Seriously never thought about it like that. You're right.
But Graham... calling people dropkicks although hardly as cutting as some words is still "in your books" not something to do in someone elses home... yeah?
Besides the owner of this home is yet to speak up and request anything of his/her guests, besides not naming some things... centrelink offices or something from memory.
Today I stared at messages on OLO. I mean in one to me a dude or dudette goes "point taken" and I have absolutely no idea what point I made. Seriously didn't think I was doing anything beyond making a joke.
The abuse here is a walk in the park compared to talking to people over there about politics. Here is all reacting and on OLO they think first, scary as all h___. I haven't gotten the impression that they have children or how to begin a topic about community services.
What's OLO?? is that online
What's OLO??
is that online Opinion Forum thingy?
I see a point i think people should keep real names and places and offices names silent here.
just in case it was to cause some Problem for Clemens . we don't want him to be in trouble for anything.
Just be careful when posting anything Online it can be Dangerous in the Wrong Hands.
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Jewely's
Of course they have children.
I dont wish to discuss that on here, but yes 'totally' different people.
Many threads about welfare of both children - people in general.....
It`s not a walk in the park here - - just a waiste of time.! Lets face it we are judged by the company we keep.
Even on a forum and I think people will find the web master will say something TBO.
Its most unfair IMO to him.
Graham
Must Close Some Windows
I have reached supergeek status and am on far too many sites right now. I was about to reply to you on one you don't even belong to.
I was halfway through a message somewhere and now I can't find it. Probably just as well since I have now forgotten again what my point was.
Am I going crosseyed or has WM changed the layout of things in the last few days?
Seriously Graham I don't mind the company on the whole. I think I have learnt some really good things about fostering and now have more of an idea of what the parents are going though, how they feel. How things can go terribly wrong.
Poor Micheal is one thing but what DoCS have done to Sniper (not how he reacts at times) is horrible, heartbreaking, hard to describe.
It is the government, they let little Aussies grow up thinking if they are innocent it will all come out in the wash, this belief is rampant and encouraged - what a load of err... I hate not swearing you know... load of manure.
Pretty Lady from G
Its good you have learnt dear the parents of he kids you mind hate you.
That ought to help;;;;;
TBO I have no idea, whos who, or what problems anybody has.
Re Sniper, one of his biggest problem clearly is he has no manners and anger issues.
MANNERS
They are the basic of many things despite the circumstances. It measures the very moral fibre of a person.
It gives insight as to how much respect we hold for others- even ourselves.
To not consider other posters or to use a forum to attack and abuse for example every single person who has ever worked at DOCS as evil, is a gross misuse of the site and basic justice.
Who the one with 7 kids and one on the way then-
Ar, it doesnt matter. Perhaps if you like you could tell me what DOCS have done to this Sniper guy, because I will need not his posts while he 1s swearing.
Dont bother if its too much work. From what I gathered ,by the little i read- his son told the police he abused him because he was screaming for attention.
The youngest died and one can only assume Dad got caught up too much with pain . Perhaps he eldest felt angry about not having his attention. He desnt sound like a child abuser in the physical sense to me TBO.
The sleeping with the young girl I take it was when he was young.
I shouldnt think that ought to effect the rest of his life...
So what IS his problem right now? Do you know.
Have hey put hi on the pedi register, or something?
Ok Goodnight fair lady.
*I hate not swearing you know... load of manure*.
Behave yourself young lady:) and I bet you still havent closed those windows.
Graham
Thats what happens when ppl dont read correctly.
Well, I dont have 7 kids thats for sure and theres none on the way, As yet.
Personally, Graham, I love to have people like you to go though what I have and then tell me in 100 words or less(no swearing)how it feels. of cause I am anger,any normal human would be. Some will even cross a line, and kill someone or kill themselves.
No, wrong, My son never told the cops anything,He wasnt seeking any form of attention in the manner as you outlined, he and I have never ever been question, By Docs and or any law. Even when I beg my son to do so, he trys,they reject.
Thats why I offered the documents. that alone is so clear cut and show with no doubt to someone with intelligents to fathom the corruption and Fabrication and the manipulation.
No, I am not on any Sexual registers.
Yes, my 7 week old is smothered by the mother, how did you want me to react? when he dies,? I went to hell and crawl myself out,in doing so, I made unlogical mistakes, How that ever warranted the Action of DOCs to twist it to suit them,only They can answer that, but I wouldnt believe a single word that would flow from their lieing lips.
Very true,I am not a child abuser nor have I ever touched a child(boy or girl) in any form of any sex.
well, it has effected my life, it took away four partners and 3 babies.
whats my problem, Oh the fact that I cant obtain legal aid, cant obtain a lawyer, cant obtain any form of justice when complaining in the right channels,as the CMC, the Ombudsman,ECT.
I live in Qld/Townsville, It started in townsville,went all the way to toowoomba,then to Adelaide, The buck passing has become a national event by the indoor sport that The government play.
Whats your theory to the polygraph ?. does that hold water ?. when used to confirm truth or lie.
And I am a smart arse, with added sarcasm, In normal conditions, before my son dies, and if you knew me, That Congratulations you mentioned would of been worthy to give, Not now. I am not the man I once was 8 odd yrs ago. nor 4 yrs ago, or last year, when DOCS marched in and murdered everything.
My attitude really does Sux big time. yet thats is my defense to live the way I am force to live.
And I still like to hear from you, that understanding of that parable of that Samaritan. for it will open your eyes and heart to hear the truth of it and not what has been past around in church's.
If you are the real deal, I couldnt careless about your obtuse. :)
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
*That`s what happens when ppl dont read correctly.*
Sniper
*That`s what happens when ppl dont read correctly.*
REPLY
Fair enough, truth is I can’t follow this forum. So you must be brighter than myself. I don’t have any problems with kids either. This isn’t my line of work- or major interest.
Nor am I a lawyer although I have kicked around courts and have family and friends who have been deeply involved in family law in the past.
I have ZERO knowledge about DOCS. However extensive knowledge about Government and Gov departments. You do not have to convince me there is a problem within this area. Any fool would know that and its comes from both sides.
It comes from over zealous bitchy people working their + some parents attitude which is like petrol to fire.
*Well, I dont have 7 kids thats for sure and theres none on the way, As yet.*
Sp please tell me – JUST this without giving background+ How many do YOU have? Age? And what grounds have they refused to allow you to see them?
Don’t tell me anything right now- just those two questions pls
Are you working?
Where you working before DOCS came into your life?
Be honest pls- it’s a yes or no.
*Personally, Graham, I love to have people like you to go though what I have and then tell me in 100 words or less(no swearing)how it feels. of cause I am anger,any normal human would be. Some will even cross a line, and kill someone or kill themselves.*
REPLY
Gee Snipe now I feel all warm and fuzzy inside pleased you love it….
So so far you have shown A You really want things to change. B Your man enough to make an effort even if it hurts your pride with me asking you not to swear
C You have acknowledged your angry.. D You recognise ( I think ) anger has got you in the poor before. This is all good stuff…
E. E for effort needs to be worked on regarding your attitude.
No other blokes would go kill someone else or themselves - but that’s your thought pattern. Until you change’ that’ – your always going to be unhappy wherever you are and whom ever you may finally end up with.--- and that’s the truth. Feel free to shoot the messenger if you wish.
OK moving on. Our Son has tried to talk to DOCS and they had rejected it.
I can not comment on his until I know he ages of the other kids. They are his siblings after all! He would have the right to ask for visits etc if he`s willing to help. Your boys a man though now isn’t he- 21 or so?
*No, I am not on any Sexual registers.*
Ok, sorry I got that wrong, but good news.
* Yes, my 7 week old is smothered by the mother, how did you want me to react?*
* REPLY
Why don’t you just tell me what you did( not the act, crime etc) just any charges please) for eg assault, disturbing the peace…… JUST the charges. I don’t want the history .
*How that ever warranted the Action of DOCs to twist it to suit them, only*
REPLY
Yep Gottca
*well, it has effected my life, it took away four partners and 3 babies.*
REPLY
How long has this been going on. These people will have moved on with their lives by the sound of it. Sounds like they are in different states as well.
*whats my problem, Oh the fact that I cant obtain legal aid, cant obtain a lawyer, cant obtain any form of justice when complaining in the right channels,as the CMC, the Ombudsman,ECT.*
REPLY
TO DO WHAT!!!! This is what I am trying to find out pls. What is it your seeking a lawyer to do for you. Just answer that question in one or two sentences pls…
* Whats your theory to the polygraph ?. does that hold water ?. when used to confirm truth or lie.*
Yeh , well again it depends on whom is relying upon to clear. In other words which side of he fence its being tossed at to a court.
I am more interested in WHAT the Poly was for?
Who paid for that and why?
*And I am a smart arse, with added sarcasm, In normal conditions, before my son dies, and if you knew me,*
REPLY
Very sad for anybody. The child was 7 weeks old. You knew him for a short Seven weeks. You say he Mum smothered him- horrible BUT Babies die at that age from sids and breathing comps I am told… My point is you have a life and other kids and you have to move on.
*That Congratulations you mentioned would of been worthy to give, Not now.*
REPLY
No it was warranted. You test a man by his strength and principles when hes nder stress- not when everything is sailing alone just fine.
* I am not the man I once was 8 odd yrs ago. nor 4 yrs ago, or last year, when DOCS marched in and murdered everything.*
REPLY
Ok , so now we are getting somewhere. It was 8 years ago. At least I know that much now.
*My attitude really does Sux big time* ---- YUP!
*. yet thats is my defense to live the way I am force to live.*
REPLY
No it’s your worth enemy Sniper and if you don’t know that I don’t think ANYBODY can help you. It got you into this mess in the first place after the death of the 7 week old.
*And I still like to hear from you, that understanding of that parable of that Samaritan. for it will open your eyes and heart to hear the truth of it and not what has been past around in church's.*
REPLY
Not Now, I am not getting into Church and Churches because I have a very different attitude to most. My work is directed AT the Churches. So maybe another time. Churches and God IMOP most times are too different things.
If you have found a good church, stick to it. I would encourage that I am just not a person to believe that we humans are the top dogs in this world. I strongly believe we are only on earth to SHARE this world- not destroy it. To you I would be a cold fish I suppose. I am unmoved by most acts of unkindness to people. For I have seen a far greater mis justice everyday than you could comprehend.
If you are the real deal, I couldnt careless about your obtuse. :)
REPLY
Don’t you really mean, I couldn’t care less ‘if you are’ obtuse;(
Graham
In all I have 5 children
In all I have 5 children including the dead one and one step daughter.
AGE: 23(m)-15(f)-12(m-dead)Zachary Daniel-4(m)Dominic Zachary-2(m)Zachary Nicholos, See a connection in my last 3?.
Grounds of refusal: I wish I knew.
Not working now. due to injuries from them cops,then when I am assaulted in 2004,obtain 3 broken ribs.Applied for disability pension,Stating I am branded by the government as a pedophile and I will never fit into society, Pension granted 10 days later.
from 1991 to 1997, I was a Mauy thai/Kick Boxer fighter and trainer, Teaching children from as young as 5 to teens to adults, also taught my 2 first children to defend themselves. Also worked at townsville drag strip as a cleaner and also raced there for money. Also did other odd jobs when I needed to.
Have a few diploma's.
Then DOCS enters my life in full force from 2001.
I wanted things to change from the moment I was released from prison in 2002.
Incorrect on that anger before DOCS enters my life.
You can read to WILDS: post to where I posted concerning my cure to my anger.
myself and my eldest son(23) have been alienated from the children. My eldest son tried and now gives up.
What does that tell you, when I am NOT on any sexual registers?.
Why don’t you just tell me what you did( not the act, crime etc) just any charges please) for eg assault, disturbing the peace…… JUST the charges. I don’t want the history .<----- you lost me on this.? what has that got to do with the mother smothering my son ?.
TO DO WHAT!!!! This is what I am trying to find out pls. What is it your seeking a lawyer to do for you. Just answer that question in one or two sentences pls…
Whats else Graham: My freedom, Justice, and compensation.
I am more interested in WHAT the Poly was for?
Who paid for that and why?
1: I requested the polygraph believing it will save my life, One Gavin Wilson a X detective from SA,conducted the test upon me, with question relating to sex to children,other then that 16 yr old.to which I confirmed I committed.
2: The last X partner and I gathered up 500 dollars out of 1500.00 to pay for the test.
My son didnt die from SIDs, that autopsy took 3 months to get to me,stating undetermined. 3 months more of waiting, then stated SID's, Ha. not true.
My point is you have a life and other kids and you have to move on.
( I have no life. I have other kids,yes, but not where they should be. give me a road map to move on, cos DOCS will find away to kill it. everytime I try to move on DOCS will come and murder it.
I want to be tested in a court of Law. thats where The truth of a man will be seen.
It got you into this mess in the first place after the death of the 7 week old.,<<<--- incorrect.
Again, you can read on Wilds: post to my commits referring to that Parable.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Sniper, What The Police did
Sniper,
What The Police did to you was disgusting and i can't not find the Words to say how disgusting it is.
i know this family where the father was assaulted from a load of coppers cause he wouldn't hand over the daughter straight away and he wanted to say bye the police tackled him to the wall with the daughter and bruised the daughter she had to be taken to the hospital and he had huge cuts in his body and was charged and i don't see how this can be ethical for the child protection process.
Don't answer the Questions that Graham is asking if they are too personal i mean alot of them have nothing to do with her really, and i can understand your anger and remember never give up the fight and never give up for your kids.
you working has nothing to do with child protection
keep travelling along sniper you are doing just fine :)
Wild Flower
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A crime is a crime no matter who commited it.
Whatever I ever done in my life, will never compare to what this system has done to me and to my children and to the women,that loved me.
I answer graham, so his eyes will open as I hope others that read also have their eyes to open.
Even Christ stated, if you have eyes then see, If you have ears, Then listen, I can add by saying,If you have a heart, Then give compassion. for compassion cost you nothing of value.
Yes, I fight not only for myself, I also fight for the right to be a human,a man, a father, My last 2 children will never know me as the true father, but they will know me as the father that didnt give up.
True, I dont need to work to be a father, Being a father is the work.
I can be a drinker, a smoker and toker, I dont abuse that as I dont abuse my kids or my woman.
I can be gay, i can be handicapped and that still wont stop me being a father.
Yes, I am hanging in there, but not doing all that good.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
DOC SNIPER
Im not doing so good either sniper.just recieved another affidavit from docs full of lies. they have 8 affidavits against me .i have two. they just manipulated the contact workers to lie so they could attack me with full force. they say I was in the change room for 16 minutes. i was in there for two minutes. the access worker was on his phone.my son and I went into the playground to play with him he was still on the phone. I have everything stacked against me and I am growing weak of their stupid games.
TRUTH SEEKER
How odd?.
We have the proof that in a normal court of law, would be found as truth.
Yet the Docs attacks you and leaves me alone,Until I have a woman with children.
Yes, I know how very hard it can and will be,each hit they give you,sends you back to be placed into the ground of hurt. all I can say, Is push that aside,cause you have to,and start to play chess :)
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Docsniper
i can Understand why you we're so Angry,
No wants to hear you out or any of the facts to back up your versions of facts.
instead they call you a pedophile i get it, how can they continue if you are not on the sex register then?
they are talking out of their bums so to speak.
you say the mother of your child smothered him? what happened to her? did she ever get questioned or anything?
Wild Flower
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I hate this life:
So many to respond to, please, why CANT i be taking to a court room and be Questioned the same way, Why Cant I,Me, This mistake of life,this frk up of everything, be taking to a court room ?.
Why steal my children, Why murder the love of a woman that found love in me ?.
Why - why - frking why ?.
Why do I have to be forced to live alone, Why do I have to miss out on all the birthdays and xams's and easter's and frking everything else that normal people take for granted ?. why ?.
Yes, I am so,so,so very anger and the only person I hurt, Is me.
Todays is my birthday, yet another day of being alone, yet another day of the same frking shit i have to live in.
Grahman thinks I got anger problems that requires management, YES!!!! it does, Called a woman thats found love with me, then to build a family, Thats my cure.
Graham has no true understanding to how a solo soul in this state,reacts. One might go kill, one might kill themselves, One might even become as they say he or she is.
Or as I have done, be anger,be bitter,be so hateful,These are the reaction I have for I do believe in Christ and what he stood for.But I fall too many miles any for the glory of ever being Christ like.And there is where I hate myself,Cause I know I have fail to Christ.
I wish so much my baby didnt die, I wish so much he was here with me. I have been dead from the moment his last breathe left him,I have been a walking zombie ever since then.
I carry this burden all alone,But sometimes that love finds me and that burden is lifted for a brief moment,For a time life became good,I am wanted and needed,I am someone to somebody, Then that evil sees that I am happy and comes relentlessly and kills, sending me back to where I never ever wanted to be ever again, HELL. But, I have been here to hell so many times and have became a custom to it, Hence this anger attitude to the Law, This government and to people that are so retarded in their thinking and are hypocrites. I hate two times, I hate liers.I hate men that bash their women,I hate being branded to something I truly know I am Not.
This corruption I see as if it was the Matrix.And yeah,I took the red pill.
No one cared then to how my son dies and no one will now. She will answer to christ.
No one cared when I got attacked by those two cops.
No one cared when DOCS came and stole my children.
No one cared when Love was murdered.
No One cared to how DOCS treated myself and my woman/s and my kids.
No one cares to read these documents and support it in a court of law,that will set me free.
This government and people with no hearts should be so very ashamed of themselves, They to will also answer to christ. That Justice will come at a price they will never want.
I am so grateful to have christ within me,That stops me from that desire to take vengeance.
Now!!!, I will relay the true meaning to the Samaritan parable:
KJV Luke 10:30-37
(30) And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
(31) And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
(32) And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
(33) But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
(34) And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
(35) And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
(36) Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
(37) And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.
priest = represents mankind, meaning: society will turn their back on you.
Levite = represents the church/Law, meaning: the church/law will turn their back on you.
Samaritan = Christ, meaning: Christ will never turn his back on you.
(35) = the reward.
(37) = Justice.
Again, I beg and ask for mercy, Please may I be taking to a court room.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY SNIPER BABY!
Happy Birthday to you,
Happy Birthday to you,
Happy Birthday Dear Sniper,
Happy Birthday to you.
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If we say we care you reject it and ask for court.
If we say get out there and out of your prison you reject it.
Is there anything we can do here but say over and over that we believe you?
You want love Sniper, you have to go find it and many of us do fail over and over again. Not often that we can point to a department and lay the blame at its feet though.
Is there anything, is listening enough from us?
I just lost to whatever Like I had for you.
You know there is no Happy of whatever,more so today.
It's a court room, Whats care got to do with it.?
My prison is safe from those that try to kill me.
I cant argue with that.
How many times do I have to find love,when I found it and had it and kept it.Till Docs comes and kills it.
Nothing wrong in ever listening, by why listen to amuse oneself.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
prison
my once happy home has become my prison too. a place stood still from trauma. no joy no life just trgedy and pain. they stole my life they stole my sanity they drove me to think things i never wanted they love to destroy and docs donot like free thinkers they love morons.the government love morons. free thinkers are dangerous because they might just work out what is really going on.
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yeah it would hard to be
yeah it would hard to be happy, but you do have to live your life.
the court room is where just will happen, but you and only you can make that happen, you need to take action and bring forward all the proof you have, not just words as docs like words and and take kids for no good reason,
Your Prison is exactly what you have and you are a prisoner and even though you are free dept has made it this way for you.
and i wouldn't recommend finding any new love or r/ship and any more kids, could you live in secret for 18 years until the kids grow up? that is not fair on the mother/wife and child/ren , and if dept get wind of this it would be history repeating itself again.
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tried
My father in canberra who is a barrister and has worked in the government has written five letters to the minister.I have written four letters requesting the removal of the case worker from hell.my friend has written a letter.I have a friend who is regional director of docs she came to my daughters 21st birthday party.She rang her friend who is th edirector over these mongrels i am dealing with.He was on my side but because this could be a big negligence case he has turned to protect his dept. docs do not want any more bad media.
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Writing to the Minister is
Writing to the Minister is not going to do anything, You Could try the children services tribunal and get everyone to hear your case.
But i would be going straight to the jugular
i would find a lawyer and give them everything you have and apply for a revocation of the current order and re apply to the restoration of your child's return immediately as you will have a case of dept failing the child
Dept will always get bad media that is just is how it is for them, they fail the good and the bad, but you need to get this heard in court.
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Explain Sniper
You liked me? Thank you, I liked you too... still do whether returned or not.
It was still your birthday and the salutation is common.
I wish you were happy.
This isn't amusing to me Sniper and I can't answer the love question.
What happened a couple of weeks ago, two weeks ago you were sounding like you had decided on a direction to go in.
happy birthday
Happy Birthday Doc- Its Jane- I feel your pain I too have been to hell and back.Everytime I touch happiness. Some retard person or govt agency steals it away and tortures my sole.I have been tortured bt the system all my life.My pain does not stop-as docs are torturing me at the moment with lies and attacks that are so full of it.but they are clever or will we say sleazy and know how to manipulate,lie and torture. I wonder the real statistics of how many childrens lives have been destroyed as well as how many adults lives.the suicide rate is high -How many of them are docs victims.
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Missing Pieces.TV show.
No happy at all.
I watched that show tonight and all I could think about, is one day that is going to happen to me, and I will be as cold as Ice.
I had my children for a reason,They were wanted and needed, They were NO mistakes.
Now they defeat the purpose to why they entered this sick world.
But, I am the Father, I am still trying to be that father and being robbed everyday.
For everyone DOCS gets right, is just pure luck compared to the ones they get wrong,do a statistic on that.
DOCs is just the front to a government that ORDERED this to be done.Yet is not the people that voted these retards in ?.
Then why can not the people vote them out,when caught in the act of corruption.
Who do we need to complain to if even the governor general rejects to listen, The Queen ?. Human rights ?. Who ?.
We are going no where on this forum with just talk, We the abuse need to form and stand as One( and how many will that be ) depends on the person not fearing to stand up to the System. Honestly want else can they do ?, But truly kill us.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Jane & HAPPY B'DAY SNIPER
Hi Sniper, WE just Want to Wish you a pretty straight B'day hope you enjoy as much as possible, won't say happy as we know how much it wouldn't be without your children.
How old are you today?
Jane as hard as the corrupt system is you have to look at it with a open mind? yes the system sucks and there are holes and cracks in the system and there needs to be review of the whole protection system, you need to say positive, And you think you are tortured.. can you imagine how the child feels? i know the parents get upset that is fair enough but look at the real big picture here that is the child? what is he/she feeling? what about the child.. it should be the child that comes first and foremost and their best interest must come first and be paramount at all times.
i have no doubt you love your son, but dear it time to think about the child first and remember if you do everything the dept want you to do and you have a working r/ship with the case workers things will be easier
i know it feels like nothing is working but you have to try and meet all the case plan goals it will be good, i know some workers lie, manipulate, etc but there are some good workers out there too, that really want to help families .
i know the government can be corrupt and take kids when the shouldn't but what about when there really are kids that need protection and they don't act quick enough i mean the dept are damn if they do and damned if they don't .. there needs to be a dept to protect the children, but a line drawn also and no corruption
GOOD LUCK
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child safety
To wildflower. That is my pain watching my child go down hill.Docs placed my child at xmas in a community home alone and while he was sick.then gave him to my ex partners sister. they are all drunks and spiteful abusive people. They abused me and my son terribly and waited in the background to take my child from me.safety think about the child-Docs only like people who suck up to them it wouldn't matter if they were drug addicts,alcholics,morons,sexual predators,-as long as they play their game .they love people who are as corrupt as them.the good mothers and fathers who fight are tortured and beaten into submission.
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That must be so Hard for you,
That must be so Hard for you, I'm so sorry you have to go Through this. It Must be Hard to watch your son live with them,
Have you tried voicing your Opinion on the care they are providing to him? you can contact the Zonal officer and Manager and there are other revenues about review branch and complaints and the children services tribunal etc but you need to proof that they are these alcoholics and spiteful people get affidavits from people that can back up your versions of events and take it to them, they will listern but you need the proof as the dept have deemed these people suitable to care for your son, if he isn't safe there you need to prove its unsafe and as a mother I'm sure you couldn't just sit there and allow this to happen,
But even if they are what you say they are you have to look at the big picture, at least he is not in a community home right now suffering alone and he is with relatives and being cared for and fed and loved even if you can't do it right now and its better that he is with someone close than a stranger isn't it?
hunny i know it sucks but you have to work with these people and don't show any hate or remorse or the dept will use it against you.. take it and stride with it as much as it does hurt.
and remember try to work with the dept.. and find out what you have to do in writing what they want for you to do in order for him to return or get weekend access ? can you tell me what were the reason's was removed or the allegations?
what order is he on? is he on custody or Guardianship? if you have custody you still have rights and you should express these rights at all times and for the best interest of your son.
do what you think is right but always remember they are watching everything you say and do and how you react to situatuions etc take it easy.
GOOD LUCK
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reaction
my son and i had an allergic reaction to a mistletoe browntail moth caterpillar. It is rare -but it is toxic- they detained me in a mental ward then took my son- I have an apoligy letter from a major hospital in sydney. a three page doctors report, a proffessors report,a toxicoligist diagnosis.
yet docs will still not return my baby
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that is bad news for the dept
that is bad news for the dept if you have all this information, you know if i had all this info and you know you could prove the dept wrong i would take it to a lawyer and revoke which ever order they have in place.
or go to the children services tribunal.
if you have all this i can't understand why the dept are keeping him away, i would be complaining to everybody.
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Now people see a picture form.
Yes, I really know it is very bad news for that Dept. The Forde Inquiry wasnt wrong and nor am I and nor all the others that are here and in hiding. Ask the stolen generation, they to, are living proof of that Abuse.
Wild: how many times have I mentioned, NO lawyer wants to touch this.
Just in the last week, 15 rejections, Try any lawyer in my city, I am turned away, try any lawyer in QLD,I am turned away. Try any lawyer in Aust and yeah, ya guessed it,I am turned away as I was turned away, when I tried to seek help of compensation from that night the cops attacked me, I got ZERO anything.
Why would the SA Ombudsman refuse to resend back to me copies of my documents, When I am told they conducted a investigation, Just by sitting behind a desk with a computer and a ph.This is what the QLD CMC and the State/fed Ombudsman also did, sat behind a desk, This is what the minister of police also did,and the minster of DOcs and the QLD PM Bligh all the way to the governor general.
Then these so called help groups like, mens help line, center care,life line,salvos,St Vinnies. the list just goes on and on and on or the rejections after rejections. Even going to the Child protection unit,lest they say to me, They know DOCS frk'd up. only group that is helping me, is the Victims of crime unit.But they can only do so much.
Of cause, they know, If I win in court, not only do I bring down DOCS (yet again) but it leads all the way to the QLD pm to Rudd.
If I win, I open up a door so wide, The flood of others will drown this government.
It is way too easy for them to just cover me up then to admit they err'd.
after Mercy, There is nothing.
P.S.
did that Parable ring true ?.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Sniper.. I See Your
Sniper.. I See Your Predicament, i Really do,
IF the SA Ombudsman refused to give your paperwork back i would have written to him asking for it all back as it is all personal and you need the documentation so you can go further with your complaint.
I can see and i know of families that have been Branded Pedophiles and Child abusers that get turned away from Lawyers and Agencies such as your self, such as mercy services, life line, etc.. i know what you mean and how it feels for them, but you got to keep going until someone listens to you , the family i'm talking about got a Lawyer at Last and a Social worker, and they are getting help at Last.
But i do agree the Child Protection system Stinks and Needs to Change.
People know the dept stuff up and i know they stuff up big, But i wouldn't want there not to be a dept .. what about the kids that are abused? they defiantly need protection and the dept warrant there removal etc but i'm against the dept for wrongful removals and mistakes, but you see they are damned if they do and Damned if they don't... They can't please everybody.. but we all know they stuff up. that i'm against..
Wild Flower
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Again nothing happy about today.
But you did say Happy.
its not just the children, what about the mother?. if not for DOCs today would be happy as any other day would of been.
My age is not important.What has been done to me,Is.
The government are playing god and do a very lousy job of it.
The people relay way too much on the government hence to why the government can get away with what they do.
Parents complaining about food coloring and asking the government to fix it.??? those parents are the ones that shouldnt be parents,whats wrong with obtain fresh fruit or growing it and make your own, why are people so much depended on the government for? on small trivia things.
Immunization issues, if you dont obtain for the child, your class as unfit parent,if you do obtain and the child dies to a reaction to it, your still classed as a Unfit parent, again the government getting away with it.
Remedy is so simple,yet the government will opt to be corrupted.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
NO i never said HAPPY. i said
NO i never said HAPPY. i said i know it wouldn't be without the Children, Sniper its your Birthday and you have to feel something besides anger and frustration, surely you have friends you could hang out with and some friendly fun.
Yeah it would been a happy day if dept didn't step in but the reality is they did, and poof your family's are torn apart just like that and nothing can change, but you have to move on and accept that and take action in court. how can you feel anything for the mothers after they turned on you and feed you to the dogs to eat i mean the dept by the way.
Your Age is important to me, so i can understand more from what i gather you would be old.
What you say about the dept i won't disagree with i know there is corruption and they can tear families apart just like that. they think they are god and what is said is what is happening and the sad fact is it is true.
Wild Flower.
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Then Why cant I have my life back ?.
All I did today was sit at the computer, I dont have that many friends anymore, I can count them on one hand, I do have many Internet friends.
I sat here and had my cry as I was replying to this forum.
Yes, I miss my kids,more so my eldest, his a man,but still my baby.he is my first and not my last.
I sat here in dream world and pretended my kids were here with the mother and enjoying the day.
Moving on is not a option anymore,it fails 4 times.
Rebecca and jody, did betrayed, to which I fully understand, becca was my dream come true, Jodie is the woman that was meant for me as I was meant for her.If it was ever ever ever possible to rekindle her back, I am there.
If that hope is not, then I will re try to re build another family, to re try to re gain love.
Lets just say I am below 50.
Dead souls never sleep
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Sniper, it is you have
Sniper, it is you have Internet friends, but the thing is you really don't know them, and i have met 3 via the internet they all turned out to misrepresent themselves and what they we're and caused trouble in my life, just be careful with them, but you could go to the local club or bar or maybe even a church get together and try and meet new people don't underestimate them they might just be the friend you are looking for.
Sniper, i can Understand your Pain, it would be so hard not only to loose you lady's but your children, it is heartbreaking, and this dept have to answer that..
That's good you are below 50.. i'm below 30 LOL
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This is satans play ground
I dont give a rat arse about what Interest you have. for all I know,you could be a closet Pedo.
And what could you ever offer ?. to be a candidate, you have a forrest in your eyes.
WTF are you bubbling about using somebody else name ?.
I do have my own website and I do have followers, I have this lack of respect due to the way I am treated by hypocrites,like yourself. I will never give that respect,until law and DOCs admits they frk'd up.Until Justice happens.
again, you have a forrest in your eyes how the hell can you ever see ?.
Unwilling, Yeah Right, seems your the gutless wonder that wont even take up a challenge, go question My eldest,Retard and see what response you will obtain. This attitude I have, is whats keeps me going, Thx to people like you.
How dare I?. mention God, watch and learn. I am nothing more then a mere human and I dont place myself above that. yet, God stated, to be Christ like is no easy chore, I am Human 1st, Goto that church that has a gay priest and then tell me if thats normal?. to be classed as a Christian.
That compensation is for all the slander and deformation, the stealing of my children and the murder of that love tween two normal humans, What price value can you place on that ?.
Oh! now I have 7 kids,?. enlighting me to where they are.
Nah, on 2nd thoughts meeting you will only prove to me how much of a closet pedo retard you are.
Proves how gutless you are to hide behind a monitor, Just like DOCS worker.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Im all yours, Take me.......
Docs only have written words on paper, nothing more. only that 15 yr old, form her it went to babies to boys to my own.
Docs cant make up their mind to when they class me a pedo, EG, they 1st told me I started all this in 1983-84, funny, cause i was in prison(1st time) for car stealing and B/E's and assaults. when I told them, where I was, they then back dated it to 1977, 3 cities have dealt with me and all 3,differ to what they say about me.
Im in QLD, Townsville, Toowoomba is the 2nd and Adelaide is the 3rd, that corruption travels all that way.
Tell me how does a CMC,ombudsman or even those retards conduct a investigation of me from behind a desk ?.
Docs have never ever gave me any reason to why I cant see my kids, in court they butter up the judge and state, "we have the funds to arrange contact, but, it never ever happens".
Wild: if a lawyer was to take this on, even I know it will never be clear cut. this is bigger then ben frking hur, more unbelievable then Ripley's believe it or not. And it will be hard, But, I have the proof, I have the witness's.
my last 3 partners will Stand up for me, my eldest son is the Perfect witness, As docs quotes I molested him from his youth, yet, he or I have never ever been questioned. And this one, we both know the law to, as DOCS also quotes, they found porno of children on my computer, if that was the case, I should of been interviewed,Questioned, charged,court and then prison. yet, I am here,telling you about it. Child protection unit, Have NO concerns of me and they do note, That it has been I and I alone contacting DOCS to have a half way point,so I can keep my family. DOCS always rejects that offer.
So, I can only beg for a pro bono and hope to obtain a compensation, that I know will make any lawyer famous and rich.
each partner I had, loved me for me, fell in love with me, for me and how I treat her, each time DOCS comes and just slip that knife in to kill it all. its even more suffering, cause of how much i really want a child, and the last 2 Docs stole,is like the death of my other baby,sep they are alive without me as the father that should of been there as they grew up, Hang on, if DOCS really did their Job, there would never have been a 2nd partner and a 2nd child, I would still to this day be with the woman from 2004 and sure we could of had at lest another 2 more kids, if not more. we would of been married,we would of been happy and none of this shit would ever take place. I wouldnt even be here bitching as I do now.
I truely hope I get that justice to, living the way I do, is just plan wrong.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
hi doc
Its jane how are you buddy im still fighting the docs fanatics but their corruption is making me grow weak
Boo Jane.
Ive had better days.
let me ask you this, how do you see your glass?., half full or half empty ?
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
DOC SNIPER
I AM BEING RAILROADED IN THE WORST POSSIBLE WAY.
Im running out of fight.
don't know how I keep going.
I'm losing my son and I feel trapped by a very corrupt docs case worker and case work manager.
there is no way out
Jane.. i know its hard But
Jane.. i know its hard But you got to keep fighting ..
i know someone at the moment going for a fight and they took Guardianship she hasn't seen them for 4 years and finally getting Phone contact..
Just have to keep fighting for your Kid/s
You can try to apply for a transfer of Workers with A Lawyer.
sometimes you have to Work With them to A Certain Point.
Wild Flower
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Hi There, I KNOW there are
Hi There,
I KNOW there are Days when you see the Glass half empty
But you have to look towards the Future with Glass Full.. You Need to Pull it together. If you Need Hope Pray and go to church if that helps, or if its to go jogging do that, if it is simply to see your children do that too.. you need to put life in a positive direction even if its sometimes :)
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:) you be wrong
Ermmm!!!!, No, I dont see my glass half empty, I see it as half full, but I question them retards that are drinking from my glass to make it half empty.
same for that ole saying, a Leopard will never change its spots, Well !!!!, this spot wants off the Leopard and or, we maybe in the same boat,but we are curtinly in different rivers.
Yes, I do Pray, as I believe in a man named Christ, not church's, I bury myself here on the net, seems safer then going out in society so hell bent in killing me.
Yes, I am trying to just to get to see my Kids, but the system wont let me. if these retards want to control my life, lest do it within the laws that is fair for all, not select who can and who can not.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
I'm Glad you believe in
I'm Glad you believe in Christ, you have to have some Faith,
i get your predicament, i too would tend to live on the net for the fear of being out and about and being lied about and called Sick and Twisted Names.
i get what you are saying. Yeah a leopards tends not to change any spots!
It Would be safer to be on the Net than in the Community but you still have to be Careful there are Freaks On LINE TOO!
Well I'm Off to watch The Logies, Than i shall return!
Lets Pray Home and Away take alot of the Awards!
Back to the Subject, yes there are rules bent for some and not others specially when it comes to seeing your kids but there are complaint avenues out there you have to follow and one would be get everything in Writing! And complain and complain and don't stop!
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Thats the only thing that stops me hurt others.
Yes!!!, I have that wall of Christ around me, and Only I can remove it, no one else can. and its not just some faith, its 100% faith. For judgement day will come and my soul will be clean upon the feet of Christ.
Lest online, theres key called Delete and block:) works quite well.,:)
put it this way, If I had say 50,000, I can buy a lawyer who will lick my ballz and do as I say, day or night.
lol, I couldnt give a flying Frk about home and away, thats all propaganda, ya, dont see DOCs in that show,murdering families do ya now.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
I'm Glad You have Christ in
I'm Glad You have Christ in Your Life it Helps Wonders.
Agree about Online Though you can always ignore or Block :)
Yeah but even with all the money in the world some Lawyers are useless, Unless you know the Right ones :)
Home and Away have had to 2 times had Dept Try and Take kids one time they removed a baby and fostered it out and tried to take another but that never worked.
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laws
docs are a law in themselves they do not answer to anyone and must be stopped .not liking someone isn't a reson to tear peoples lives apart
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Docs are a law upon them
Docs are a law upon them selves YES.,
But they do have to answer to court Judges when you take the case to FAMILY LAW not children court but still in children court dept still have to prove the order is needed for the protective needs of the child and there is no less intrusive order at this stage,
dept must answer to judges and lawyers if you are contesting the order..
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empty
Doc my glass was full when i HAD MY SON NOW i HAVE A GLASS THAT IS EMPTY.dOCS SUCKED THE GOODNESS FROM MY LIFE AND LEFT ME A BARREN SHELL .i FEEL LIKE A CRIMINAL I FEEL LIKE i HAVE BEEN RAPED i FEEL LIKE i HAVE BEEN TRICKED AND THERE IS NO WAY OUT.
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We are in that same boat and river.
You Jane, are a kindred to me, We are the same.
We are empty, we are hopeless in regaining our dignity and our children.
It has gone beyond raping, It is MURDER.
Docs are the criminals.
Government are the criminals.
There is away out,darkness cant not come into the light, but Light can enter darkness.
Dont ever give up, Dont you dare. You are way above that.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Jane as hard as the corrupt
Jane as hard as the corrupt system is you have to look at it with a open mind? yes the system sucks and there are holes and cracks in the system and there needs to be review of the whole protection system, you need to say positive, And you think you are tortured.. can you imagine how the child feels? i know the parents get upset that is fair enough but look at the real big picture here that is the child? what is he/she feeling? what about the child.. it should be the child that comes first and foremost and their best interest must come first and be paramount at all times.
i have no doubt you love your son, but dear it time to think about the child first and remember if you do everything the dept want you to do and you have a working r/ship with the case workers things will be easier
i know it feels like nothing is working but you have to try and meet all the case plan goals it will be good, i know some workers lie, manipulate, etc but there are some good workers out there too, that really want to help families .
i know the government can be corrupt and take kids when the shouldn't but what about when there really are kids that need protection and they don't act quick enough i mean the dept are damn if they do and damned if they don't .. there needs to be a dept to protect the children, but a line drawn also and no corruption
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docsniper...
Hi There
i know your frustration i hear ya loud and clear.. the dept can write things about you they state are true and the corrupt system including the judge take it as face value... cause the dept job is to investigate and protect children and why would they lie.... they tell all kind of lies for what ever reason they need to..
and the CPIU well they go hand in hand with the dept trying to get something on the parent and i tell ya if you had child porno you would have been charged and possibly convicted for that crime .. that crime holds up to 15 years jail... hence you are on your computer and still have it there is no truth to it..
in regards to no contact happening i would suggest you write to them and request some form of contact and say if it is refused you want to know reason's why etc get it in writing for formality reasons and then take it to higher revenues and i would do this to and fight for the right to be in your child's life its worth the fight my friend. don't ever give up.. and you know your not a pedophile so don't worry what ever anyone else say's and you know who i mean..
i know all the what 'ifs' if the dept was never involved we all day dream about them things etc but the thing is it has happen and we have to deal with this as a reality.. but one thing is all dept involved people class anyone involved with dept are 'abusers' but only of the public knew the truth...
Keep Fighting you are doing so well, and don't worry what others say about you.
Wild Flower
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doc sniper is my friend, I am relieved to see real help
we all knoow when we get a real answer.
its so painful to read here people's pain of loss
I have it too
but gee, sometimes there are nice people, just a scattering here and there
like chinsey gardener not wanting to waste seeds, so few
I love my friend doc sniper and feel so helpless to
even find words here and there, and agonize
knowing it, that I am powerless (a reminder of my own)
I only can bear glimpses, it is a very personal thing
this thing, these chains are a dominion, a power, an entity even if you will
it has an agenda and it works thru people who want to harm others, sometimes for simply as little as disliking them and for private sport
us who are under this gloom fighting to get out from under it
we are the ones, seemingly wasting our lives away whining and causing others to think we are the scum of the earth, when in fact we (are hurt beyond believ we shouldnt be alive)
who were done wrong was simply for an economic purpose to quell our competition whereever, this is nothing new
what we fight wars over
what reality is
Docs personality is such that he tends to get on people with some things, but that isnt to say each and everyone of us is the same
some people just get singled out, he may be here, like I said not read all, but know those mob practices, been and still am under it too)but who cares if he esome not so cheering fans, but mob
BUT to me, it is those people that I see ministering to him,
Puttting aside his weaknesses in socially accepted attributes, they give him such good advice, I saw two of them
ITS because of you that we are able to hang on, thats the truth here
thanks for helping my brother docsniper
Sniper is a perfect example
Sniper is a perfect example of corrupt govt dept.. but everyone is here to help him as much as we can,
advise, an ear to listen, etc just being there helps :)
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Wild Child your wrong- Graham
Wild Child
If you wish to be a friend to this person you will tell him to get off his bum and conduct himself in a manner to be a good example for his eldest son- + others at least.
You are not helping by listening to his pathetic ned to lean on someone else and his shear the world owes me cries.
I have seen people without legs work and do a darn good job!
One lady from NZ I employed helped buy a special needs ended up being my number one team leader.
But dont let me stop you from waiting your time dear.
Perhaps for whatever reason you need to think you are helping people.
I will give you a little tip= There are plenty of deserving ones out there
Have a nice day young lady
Graham
Graham
IF You we're to read my
IF You we're to read my post's some of it, i tell him he has to move on and get on with life and seek help its out there he just has to find the right person for help.
But you see i can understand why he is so angry and frustrated.. you would too.. if you we're told you couldn't see your KIDS EVER! and you we're branded a 'pedophile' or a Kid Frker as 'DOCSNIPER' would put it.
Would you be calm and Happy.. NO i don't think so.. accusations like that can brand a innocent person for life and destroy lives.
Just Like his Is, you heard him he has basically no friends and i gave him advise to go and meet people and try and move on etc
but the thing is .. about work .. he said he is in the DSP Pension cause he was injured.
But i get what you are saying about the Working with people with special needs and the Job part is up to Sniper if he can handle being in different types work and you got to think his criminal history will prevent him from getting some jobs too you know.. he is branded a Pedophile and went to jail for having sex with that 16 yo old Girl and Break and enters etc people don't like employing people like that, also its his choice. you can only suggest after all he is the one living his life.
Wild Flower
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Doesnt want to work IMO Young lady wild child
IF You we're to read my
*IF You we're to read my post's some of it, i tell him he has to move on and get on with life and seek help its out there he just has to find the right person for help.*
Yes you seem to have some direction at least. Credit for that
*But you see i can understand why he is so angry and frustrated.. you would too.. if you we're told you couldn't see your KIDS EVER! and you we're branded a 'pedophile' or a Kid Frker as 'DOCSNIPER' would put it.*
Young woman, He is NOT on the pedoplile list.A
Pls do not compare me with this person.- ‘thanks’
*Would you be calm and Happy.. NO i don't think so.. accusations like that can brand a innocent person for life and destroy lives.*
You are allowing yourself to be played I might suggest. His 7 week son died of sids 2 years ago, and he had 2 broken ribs, so what. It’s a play for attention.
*Just Like his Is, you heard him he has basically no friends*
Is it any wonder.
*and i gave him advise to go and meet people and try and move on etc *
Then speak ‘louder’ my dear, because he`s NOT listening-
simply feeding off attention and showing ZERO concern for Lukes Army, and what Lukes Dad is trying to achieve IMO
*but the thing is .. about work .. he said he is in the DSP Pension cause he was injured.*
I do grow up young lady He’s able to do volunteer work at least!
*But I get what you are saying about the Working with people with special needs and the Job part is up to Sniper if he can handle being in different types work and you got to think his criminal history will prevent him from getting some jobs too you know.. he is branded a Pedophile and went to jail for having sex with that 16 yo old Girl and Break and enters etc people don't like employing people like that, also its his choice. you can only suggest after all he is the one living his life.*
Nonsense wild child you are gullible- I repeat he`s NOT on the P list and the B=Es were years ago.
People are looking for staff and there are plenty of courses also available to him- once again for FREE
He does not WANT a job.
Anyway some of us DO work so my posts will be -- at times from here on end.
Take care of yourself Young Child
Graham
Thanks for the Credit, Where
Thanks for the Credit, Where it is Due,
i Never Compared you to Sniper, i said Imagine if you we're in His Shoes that is all... and i know he may not be on the list but when paperwork and govt papers get handed around 'statements' and allegations are passed on to other govern bodies etc i know he is not on the register, but he does have the charge behind him of the 16 yo Girl.
I Know with other people dealing with this dept they tend to loose friends or alienate them due to the ongoing saga with the dept and it is always about dept and ppl get sick of hearing that,
I Can't say anything to Sniper any Clearer or Louder as i said it straight to the point and if he don't listen and take advise that is only his own fault,
What do you mean about him feeding off Lukes Dad? and Attention, I don't understand that or maybe i missed something? But i mean at all one matter of a time everyone here that has dealt with dept seem to try and outshine everyone Else's involvement
Yeah i do agree, He could volunteer but again its up to him to get off his bum and do it if he wants to, but only he can do that and its up too him at the end.
But i know this Young Lady that suffers from a mental illness and she completed a course in aged care and got first aid and Cpr all free for her and now she is Working and I'm so proud of her!
But courses could be a Option for him, If He really Wants too.. :)
Wild Flower
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Your very welcome young lady
Thanks for the Credit, Where
Your very welcome young lady
*i Never Compared you to Sniper, i said Imagine if you we're in His Shoes that is all..*
Um , lets not go there. I don think we should be discussing people between us. I am happy to debate the case mater and circumstances leaving reference to individual.
* and i know he may not be on the list but when paperwork and govt papers get handed around 'statements' and allegations are passed on to other govern bodies etc i know he is not on the register, but he does have the charge behind him of the 16 yo Girl.*
You don’t know that dear. That is only one side of the story.
Depending on age a sentence is handed out and circumstances. Even if charged unfairly a judge can dismiss it or give comity service..
Also he doesn’t say how old the offending was when he slept with the minor. 18 -38- who knows…..
Rare they charge two young ones just mucking around + the judge in every case was weigh up the circumstances. A twelve month sentence would indicate a reasonable serious matter- not a mister Mena
*and it is always about dept and ppl get sick of hearing that,*
Yes it kind of selfish to always dump others with your problems. That’s right people run a mile- rightfully so at times. Your quite right. People DO get sick of hearing it, especially when they are doing nothing to help themselves.
*I Can't say anything to Sniper any Clearer or Louder as i said it straight to the point and if he don't listen and take advise that is only his own fault,*
Se you sure about that? Have you tried perhaps saying nothing… until there is something positive to discuss. Just a thought. Still I am sure you have our own ideads. You always do….:)
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*Yeah i do agree, He could volunteer but again its up to him to get off his bum and do it if he wants to, but only he can do that and its up too him at the end.*
But i know this Young Lady that suffers from a mental illness and she completed a course in aged care and got first aid and Cpr all free for her and now she is Working and I'm so proud of her!
Good for you- well done.
But courses could be a Option for him, If He really Wants too.. :)
Yes a good idea. Maybe start off one day a week and STOP telling everyone the past. New friends new interest.. etc
Cheers MO3:)
Graham
Also he doesn’t say how old
Also he doesn’t say how old the offending was when he slept with the minor.
18 -38- who knows…..
( Who cares, The state laws state 16.8 to have legal sex, yet to Docs, you still a child till 18, Me thinks theres a division there, Dont you ?.) A 16 yr old can obtain a license and became a killer or be killed on the roads of Australia,This is a child driving ?????.
A twelve month sentence would indicate a reasonable serious matter- not a mister Mena:
(Oh! really, it that a Assumption ? Or you know that for Fact ?. and does that Indicate That ?.
It was willing consented sex, No drugs,no money, no love,no grooming,no domination, A one Off.
I get a year for what ????. when there is a man here in my city going to prison in the next few week, for 80 count of rape plus other matters, to a girl from when she was 12-13 to 15, Get ready for this......He got 3 months. WTF, and HUH ?????.
I Can't say anything to Sniper any Clearer or Louder as i said it straight
to the point and if he don't listen and take advise that is only his own
fault.
( am i to understand that I now have permission to undertake a endeavor of what you said of advice and apply that to obtain that right to be heard in a court of law.??. For I dont yet think you fully understand that word called REJECTION. have you not read ?. of the words I wrote of the many,many,many rejections to whatever I try to do in a legal lawful manner ?. What am I left with, Graham ?. Nothing- and the only door Avail,is the one that says "break the Law" please enter. )
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
The Legal age in Australia is
The Legal age in Australia is 16 to have Sex. Sniper Don't make excuses you know my Opinion what you done is wrong and you admitted you we're wrong so just stick to that.
But i have to ask one Thing .. How we're you changed and went to Jail for 12 months if she was 16 being the legal age?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Australia_and_Oceania#Qu...
Yeah a 16 Year old can drive a car and become a killer as you Put it but dept require the age limit as 18 and rightfully so, so that they can try and help and guide these children to the right path in life, if they are in care etc
Sniper the Truth is a 12 Month sentence does mean a pretty serious offense, and if it weren't serious you would have been on a suspended jail sentence or Probation or community service and so on, i see what Graham is saying now that you need to accept things and you don't seem too.
You say their was no grooming nothing asked for return? what did you say she offered you? A BABY? and you had willing sex YES but she was under a legal age and you we're the adult and had a lady and family and you had sex with her , so not only did you betray your family you had sex with a minor and you should have had sence not to do it. you should have said NO. but it was a hard time i get that. But Stop Making excuses.
Just because you Get Rejection from people doesn't give you the right to commence offenses you would keep going until you get people to listen and be a good citizen
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Then what is the legal age to a adult in this country ?.
What excuses ?. It is facts.
I have always stated she was 15 turning 16, a few times I try to correct that, and no one noticed,and all said 16.
That is my whole point, Why do the state government have sex as 16 is legal and a crime to have sex with a child under 18, as Docs laws ?. is that not a division ?.
Why does the law let one off of a crime of rape and murder and place a human in a prison for far less .? Does that sound a tad retarded to you ?.
Dont you think I truly regret that action I committed ?.
I had no lady or a family as I had. where did you get that notion I did ?.
I make no excuses of that, I give reason to why it took place, two wrongs dont make a right. Betrayal was done by everyone in concern.
I went from yelling and screaming, to anger and hate, I went to being logical to sarcastic, I am open and honest in the way I speak my mine, I am the real deal. Im not here to be popular or to be liked or hated. Im here to voice to the same tune of other voices on this forum.
What else can I do ?. when I have tired all avenues in the legal lawful way ?. Who above, do I need to correspond with, to where the buck finally stops ?.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
The Docs Law Does state 18
The Docs Law Does state 18 YES! but this does not apply to you.. you had sex with a girl 'turning' 16! she was underage she was a minor and you both had consented sex and you we're charged by her parents for carnal knowledge at the time and you spent 12 months in Jail,
You have admitted this was wrong so why can't you just accept that you made a mistake by sleeping with this girl.. but what i presume this is more than 1 time?
as you said she offered a baby to you? and also when the mother found out she was the one that pressed charges on you.
What you did was Wrong on so many Levels and you need to accept the responsibility here .. you we're the adult and you should have said NO
Someone going to Jail for other reasons doesn't apply to you. you got your ruling so you had to do the time for the crime, you we're Guilty of the Crime Sniper,
Betrayal might have been from Everybody, But it takes one person to state what i did was wrong and everybody will be happy for you and applaud your willingness to start over and that you have changed.
We all know who you are and you do have a right to be angry or upset and yell and scream so forth at times but not all the time etc and most people are here to 'bitch' about the dept at times but the reality is they have life outside this board and you don't seem to do anything, you been given advise its up to you, what you do with that.
Wild Flower
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So docs laws over ride states
So docs laws over ride states laws ?.mmmmmm.
It applies to anyone having any type of sex with a child below the age of 18, and theres my point yet again on the age factor that is so divided.
Was no parents,only a parent. and yes, charged as carnal knowledge, Not pedophilia or child abuse. Why is that added ?.
How does it go for a girl to girls to boys to babies to my own?. Why was it twisted to that ?.
Accept the responsibilities ???. So many levels, you are kidding me right ?. Until you and others have the FULL facts to 100%, You and others Cannot make any judgement calls.
Facts, The mother didnt report me till after I refused to marry her,7 months of this of her(the mother) telling myself and everybody else we are getting married. When she(the mother) leaves the house after that 7 months, it is the next day, I am questioned. My eldest son was there hearing and watching all of this, He is a Witness to this Fact.
Let me tell you how fair your stinking justice system works.
That per 16yr old girl, with no abuse, Obtains $12.500 in compensation, for that one night of what she wanted to do.
Yeah! I frk'd up, I wasnt in the right frame of mind, You know, Called a hell of depression.that logical adult thinking was in Darkness and i stumbled, I err'd. I understood my action was wrong and I went and made sure I would never ever stumble ever like that ever again, I set lines That I knew I would Never ever ever cross ever again,This is while sitting in Prison and my first responsibility upon release was to find my son, to build a home, to build a family, to build a life.
Instead all I get is the same punishment handed to me every day for what I paid for in full a hundreds times over.
2003: the beginning of removal of a partner and children.
2004 I am attacked,have my head shoved into a cement pillar and three of my ribs broken with a steel tubing while being hit,I am called a kid frker, three times I am hit, three times,all I say, NO-I am Not.
They get 6 months, I am suppose to obtain a $12.500 compensation and instead that goes to the state government,Stating I own the State government. WTF??????? Didnt I just paid 12 months of my life?.
2005, removal of first son and partner,Possible another child.
2007, removal second son and partner, this time 5 cops to surround me.
2008, updated to a terrorist that wants to take hostages.
2008 removal from home and lost of partner and family.
2003 to 2009, six yrs of trying to be responsible and be accountable of my actions.
Where Did I fail ?????. that I didnt be a dog and roll over and pant and wag my tail at professional,educated departmental authorized child safety workers ?.
"applaud your willingness to start over and that you have changed."
Gee, is there a time frame on this ?. when will retards open their eyes, does it take a months,a yr, 2 yrs,5yr or 10, a life time, how long does it take for the fools to see, you all have made a mistake. where is that responsibility in admitting they are wrong.?.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
The age Barrier is is 18 when
The age Barrier is is 18 when the child is in the care of Dept Yes. but i have never heard of anyone getting in trouble by having sex with a child under the 18 year order in the care of the dept. i mean if the child was 16 or 17 and on a 18 year order, i personally think the legal age Limit should be 18 and the govt should change this, i mean at 16 and 17 they are still babies and babies are having sex and having babies so wrong in my opinion. they need time to grow and mature and take sex for what it really is and not cause their mates are having sex and they feel pressured to have sex etc
16 is far too young to be having sex, drive a car and so forth etc
But the fact is Sniper you Had Sex When she was 15 turning 16 so it was underage sex with a minor and that is wrong.
only a parent? well parent/s can mean both or 1 does it really matter it was still her parent?
you was charged as carnal knowledge, Not pedophilia or child abuse Yes that is true but the fact i was pointing out in the eyes of dept there can be a Linkage Between having sex with underage minor to having sex with your child/ren in the future can't you see it from their point of view even i can? And the truth of the matter is at that point in time their would have been a 'high risk ' of that occurring,
It wasn't twisted Sniper it was a Possibility of you having sex with others as you did a minor (the girl) to having sex with other girls to having sex with boys to babies you see this is what i mean the Linkage between the crime and the future Risk? and they had every right to be protecting the children at the time.
You say we won't know the Story and all facts 100% well why don't you tell us so we might understand where you are coming from then?
So this Fling you had going with this girl went over 7 months? and the mother wanted you to get married and when you didn't want to she pressed charges is that right? and your son Witnessed it all? did he go to the court case for you and give witness? You know having a sexual r/ship with this Girl for over 7 months is wrong and i thought it was a 1 time thing? Depression is a bad mental illness Yes but it doesn't make you Sleep with Minor's that is YOUR call.. if you we're suffering why didn't you seek counseling or Therapist instead of sleeping with a minor, if i lost my son that is the last thing i would think of doing..
So your now saying you Didn't want to have sex with her and it was all her doing? and she received a 12,500 compensation for that ? You Know what i think i think you we're in too it as much as she would have been, and i think no money should have exchanged hands at all and i think you should have been Jailed for the offense with special conditions of not being around Minors in the Future.
Your right you weren't in the right frame of Mind, depression can do funny things but it don't make you sleep with Minors ... That was YOUR call my friend, if you we're suffering like you say you seek help from health Professionals and therapist etc
If you Have Been Involved with dept for over 6 years there has to be something wrong as they just don't come involved for the hell of it, there has to be a initial complaint or notification coming from somebody and the claims of abuse go to the scan team and then to the intervention team and the manager and the senior Practitioner And then they ALL decide if the removal is necessary so the removal must of been warranted to remove your children at the time, and you can't say this is all a conspiracy theory? There had to be some risk to the children at the time again this goes back to my Linkage i was referring to before
To me Personally i would want Years!! of someone to prove they would not re committ a child related offense, that is the problem here you had sex with a minor even if it was willing or consented what you did was ILLEGAL and you could comitt the same offense with the linkage i said before in the dept's eyes. You were charged with this offense and in the dept's eyes you committed child abuse.
Wild Flower
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Personally It should be 21.
but i have never heard of anyone getting in trouble by having sex with a child under the 18 year order in the care of the dept
(Well, Guess what, you just have.)
16 is far too young to be having sex, drive a car and so forth etc<<<----- TOTALLY agree.
But the fact is Sniper you Had Sex When she was 15 turning 16 so it was underage sex with a minor and that is wrong.<<--- Again totally agree, so why cant I get on with my life.?.
Where and How can there be a link tween a 15-16 yr old girl to a new born ?. to a male ?. Not only is that stating I am a sick puppy,but also that I am Gay. Other then in the perverted minds of a doc worker that can Fabrication anything out of a spec of dust.
You say we won't know the Story and all facts 100% well why don't you tell us so we might understand where you are coming from then?.
( love to, so how about I also Show you or that Us as you say.?.)
I dont have funds to travel, at this point of frame of time. My door is open.
So this Fling you had going with this girl went over 7 months?<<-- Oh! good grief!!!!. Where have I ever stated that I was in any form of any relationship with that girl?. I quoted" a One off", meaning Once, It is that GIRLs mother, who told myself and her friends that her (THE MOTHER) and I were getting married. The Girl was in that depts care till 18.
and lets not leave out,that there was two other males before me and one after me, to where are they in all this Picture???.
It was the mother reporting me to Docs,when she left the house, any blind nut, will see it was her vengeance.
To what ever reason that night occurred, it happened willingly, only once.
if you we're suffering why didn't you seek counseling or Therapist instead of sleeping with a minor, if i lost my son that is the last thing i would think of doing..
( I tried, Church's, Closed their doors on me. LifeLine and other mens and health groups, also close the door.
only till this yr,have I been Accepted to Victims of crime councilling. From my 7 week old death, no help what so ever.
So your now saying you Didn't want to have sex with her and it was all her doing? and she received a 12,500 compensation for that ? You Know what i think i think you we're in too it as much as she would have been, and i think no money should have exchanged hands at all and i think you should have been Jailed for the offense with special conditions of not being around Minors in the Future.
( I think you should have a child (your own) to die in your arms, watch your man leave you and take whatever other children you have and never to see them again,Tell me in a hundred words or less to how you will move on?.) and what would you do to try to regain what was removed from you ?.
What I was stating is a human that didnt suffer,gets $12.500, to why did I have to continually pay?
If you Have Been Involved with dept for over 6 years there has to be something wrong as they just don't come involved for the hell of it,
( yes, there is, Docs are retards that cant even conduct traffic)
notification coming from somebody
(yes, Me, I, Myself and I alone)
I have not run away, docs do.
I have not Fabricated, docs did.
To me Personally i would want Years!! of someone to prove they would not re committ a child related offense, that is the problem here you had sex with a minor even if it was willing or consented what you did was ILLEGAL and you could comitt the same offense with the linkage i said before in the dept's eyes. You were charged with this offense and in the dept's eyes you committed child abuse.
( nice would "COULD" I could become a murderer, I could become the next QLD Pm, COULD covers everything when not investigated that Could be a cant or wont.
If I ever was going to re_offend, why the hell am I here, bitching, and not Preditorizing minors ?.
Why does the child protection unit,over looking me ?. with NO concerns. yet someone in DOCS just loves to murder my family.
What other TEST, other then to what I have done to date, That I need to do? for the truth of me to be embedded in retards minds, that I am a Normal human being, with normal human desires. that wants a normal human life.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
*So docs laws over ride states *
“NO”
DOCS are a part of the State Government!!
*So docs laws over ride states laws ?.mmmmmm.*
Dear heavens, what sort of world, do people live in . There goes possibly some poor immoral professors, next million bucks, those being ‘paid’ to er ,research as to how the internet improves minds-!! Hehe
So perhaps possibly AWB or Elders or someone might put their grubby little hands out and for funding. Not that they don’t get help from our Governments after all- See this forum for information btw on the AWB
Link: = Gawd as usual, I can’t find it. I will just pop this one instead. Its kind of the alternative one I suppose.
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Turn your music on any Rock Spiders; I think it may even appeal to your mind:)
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So where was I, oh yes DOCS -Well they ARE the State Government or at least a part of it.
http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/1760.htm
What all this means to people too lazy to read themselves basically IMO at least
‘ in brief’ goes something like as follows…………….
DOCS give you the right to have heard matter more informally than a court case.
Ah Yes, but they take away some rights with that err, privilege .
Such as being allowed to have a formal hearing IF YOU choose!
Being allowed to have your lawyer and yourself there also while these major decisions are being made.
You may seek leave to have your of lawyer attend, but they can, do, will reject it.
Basically you got no rights from what I see of it.
Where does it say you have a RIGHT TO have matters heard in court if you wish? Where does it say you have the right to have your own lawyer appear before the tribunal? Well it doesn’t say iy because you don’t.
So a case worker is given the ‘; special powers ‘of a federal court basically.
That’s pretty scary. I further note in my short research
I am only looking at this from a legal point of view- nothing else- but I will do my best to explain it to you simply and in lay terms.
It’s IMPORTANT to remember I am NOT a lawyer. This would require a legal opinion from a barrister (a good one) QC…
What has happened, and looks like it has been passed, in State Government is from what I can see like this=
Case workers were given “special powers” of the Federal courts- Or Linked to Federal Courts in for the want of a better expression an informal but powerful none the fewer roles.
To add to the problem it seems a tribunal was formed also with special powers with three heads- One of those being a phycologist ( I will come back to this point )
To obtain an order in a family court- Federal court OR anything to do with Federal Courts phycologists reports are NOT recognised unless presented in support with a medico legal report done by a fully trained phyciatrist .
Well count me in! I just took the little red pill like LOE in meatrix and look what I found.
I found Federal courts does not accept a report from a phycologist” unless it can be shown he/ she spent so much time, with the client that it was necessary to support the medico legal report. AND ONLY THEN.
By itself it’s quite unless. (the judge has some leave way to take it into consideration)
Medico legal reports are the only thing federal court magistrates really looks to make a ruling. Not phycologists.
So you seem or appear to have an in-house informal panel of people whom may refuse a lawyer to be present to represent the kids making calls for permant placements and adoptions. Wow.
In which case I can only say be REALLY NICE to case workers. Perhaps make them a nice cuppa tea and rub their tired feet.
For the way I see it these people were given the powers of the federal court. Case workers and they alone can make you or break you- and your children. Don’t go blaming case workers either. They didn’t make the laws.
I think the majority of them would work hard and try to be as fair as possible. Mind you I wouldn’t want to step on someone’s toes either+ some people abuse power.
We all know that as its part of the human nature. But on the whole I would like to applaud DOCS and case workers for doing what must be a difficult job!
END OF STORY
PS Oh just one thing I forgot to say
From what I have seen of people on this forum DOCS have got it RIGHT every single time. The only matter I saw that I thought was wrong was the poor foster mother and child who went through a quick relocation by way of error after only knowing those people from the age of a baby until two.
That was sad. The rest of you are victims of the Australia Federal Government over decades IMO
You see I keep saying we the Australia people have a responsibility to MAKE to Government introduce blue cards BEFORE having kids like Foster parents.
So far only wild child has agreed. Pity, because if you want to protect kids it MUST start from the from day one- or even before.
Just think of all the junkies we could save IF they had to have a blue card to have kids. Priceless weapon
SNIPER SAID THE FOLLOWING
*It applies to anyone having any type of sex with a child below the age of 18, and there’s my point yet again on the age factor that is so divided.*
You seem to always need to speak of having sex with under aged People .
*Were no parents, only a parent?
So you are saying you wee the only adult or parent looking after this girl. If so no wonder you were given a year,. Be lucky not to get far longer.
* and yes, charged as carnal knowledge, Not paedophilia or child abuse. Why is that added?.*
Probably because this happened a long time ago- lucky for you. We didn’t use the name or charge of paedophpipa back then so much before the media hype about it. Al;so because its possible there was a willingness upon the 15 year old at the time. Maybe the cops just went light.
*How does it go for a girl to girls to boys to babies to my own?. Why was it twisted to that?.*
Can anybody else follow this question- Mind boggles- I cant. Starting to feel sick TBO
*Accept the responsibilities ???. So many levels, you are kidding me right ?. Until you and others have the FULL facts to 100%, You and others Cannot make any judgement calls.*
You are IMOP a person who shows 'NO sign of remorse.' I have watched you for a while with your veiled threats. You are a danger to yourself and society IMO.
*Facts, The mother didn’t report me till after I refused to marry her,7 months of this of her(the mother) telling myself and everybody else we are getting married. When she(the mother) leaves the house after that 7 months, it is the next day, I am questioned. My eldest son was there hearing and watching all of this, He is a Witness to this Fact.*
So sunshine ,what was the mother charged with in the end?
Did DOCS remove this girl from her and was SHE charged as an unfit mother inciting Carnell knowledge of her own daughter.
How much time did SHE DO??
*Let me tell you how fair your stinking justice system works.
That per 16yr old girl, with no abuse, Obtains $12.500 in compensation, for that one night of what she wanted to does.*
You mean 15 don’t you ?and it probably started well before. It was just she was 15 when you got found out. I DO NOT BELIEVE IT WAS A ONE OFF. I KBOW HOW THE COMPENSATION VICTIMS OF CRIMES WORKS
,* I err'd. I understood my action was wrong and I went and made sure I would never ever stumble ever like that ever again,*
GOOD
* 2003: the beginning of removal of a partner and children.*
Good well done DOCS
*2004 I am attacked,have my head shoved into a cement pillar and three of my ribs broken with a steel tubing while being hit,I am called a kid frker, three times I am hit, three times,all I say, NO-I am Not.*
Well plenty of perople would be too happy with you IMO.
*They get 6 months, I am suppose to obtain a $12.500 compensation and instead that goes to the state government,Stating I own the State government. WTF??????? Didnt I just paid 12 months of my life?.*
WHY SHOULDN’T IT> SO FAR YOU HAVE COST ME AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO WORKS READING THIS A FORTUNE.
Who committed the crime ah? YOU DID. Then WHO SHOULD BE PAYING FOR COMPENSATION TO THE VICTIM_ YOU OR ME!!!
Work it out sunshine. Why should hard working decent people have to allow the kids to miss out because people cant pay their own way!!
*2005, removal of first son and partner,Possible another child.*
You are IMOP truly sickening!
*2007, removal second son and partner, this time 5 cops to surround me.*
GOOD ON THE QLD POLICE FORCE AND DOCS!! Thank you!
*2008, updated to a terrorist that wants to take hostages*.
I can imagine…..
*2008 removal from home and lost of partner and family.*
Another one. Probably some poor unfortunate person who was of course living on welfare so you took her in. etc…..
Its criminal really criminal that some people seen to walk the fact of this earth while wonderful human beings such as Victa Chan was shot and murdered by a bunch of grubs.
*2003 to 2009, six yrs of trying to be responsible and be accountable of my actions.
Where Did I fail ?????. that I didnt be a dog and roll over and pant and wag my tail at
ofessional,educated departmental authorized child safety workers ?.*
"applaud your willingness to start over and that you have changed."
Gee, is there a time frame on this ?. when will retards open their eyes, does it take a months,a yr, 2 yrs,5yr or 10, a life time, how long does it take for the fools to see, you all have made a mistake. where is that responsibility in admitting they are wrong.?.
*DOCS = Death of children services
We the victims of this abuse require a Voice to be heard.
Give back the LOVE you Killed*
You are without a doubt IMOP evil and quite dangerous. I hope they are keeping a VERY close eye on you.
For that I don’t even mind paying extra taxes.!
Thank you QLD police and Premiers DOCS for keeping people like this away from our children.
BUT please introduce a blue card because the public are sick of paying for these clean up operations.
Prevention is always better than cure.
Graham
The Village idiot
Graham: If I took all the village idiots from every village in Australia and placed them all in one place, you still be the village idiot..
You are IMOP a person who shows 'NO sign of remorse.' I have watched you for a while with your veiled threats. You are a danger to yourself and society IMO.
( yaps, Yours that retard alright. )
So sunshine ,what was the mother charged with in the end?
Did DOCS remove this girl from her and was SHE charged as an unfit mother inciting Carnell knowledge of her own daughter.
( well, Darkness, the mother probably got a compensation to. her time she got, mmmm, a trip to movie world on the gold coast).
I DO NOT BELIEVE IT WAS A ONE OFF. I KBOW HOW THE COMPENSATION VICTIMS OF CRIMES WORKS
( want to place your life on it ?. you know shit so far.)
*2004 I am attacked,have my head shoved into a cement pillar and three of my ribs broken with a steel tubing while being hit,I am called a kid frker, three times I am hit, three times,all I say, NO-I am Not.*
Well plenty of perople would be too happy with you IMO.
( your a gutless wonder, you would travel in packs to hurt a single soul )
* 2003: the beginning of removal of a partner and children.*
Good well done DOCS
( I hope one of your family members Dies ).
WHY SHOULDN’T IT> SO FAR YOU HAVE COST ME AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO WORKS READING THIS A FORTUNE. <<--yaps your for sure are a retard.
*2005, removal of first son and partner,Possible another child.*
You are IMOP truly sickening!
( wait till one of your family members dies )
*2007, removal second son and partner, this time 5 cops to surround me.*
GOOD ON THE QLD POLICE FORCE AND DOCS!! Thank you!
( make that your mum and dad and ya dog to, watch them die ).
*2008, updated to a terrorist that wants to take hostages*.
I can imagine…
( no you cant Imagine, your a retard )
I err'd. I understood my action was wrong and I went and made sure I would never ever stumble ever like that ever again,*
GOOD
( gee, Im glad I got your approval, now, can I have a cookie )
Another one. Probably some poor unfortunate person who was of course living on welfare so you took her in. etc…..
Its criminal really criminal that some people seen to walk the fact of this earth while wonderful human beings such as Victa Chan was shot and murdered by a bunch of grubs.
( yes, it is, why are you still breathing ???.)
You are without a doubt IMOP evil and quite dangerous. I hope they are keeping a VERY close eye on you.
( You have No idea of Evil) and I still hope your family members ups and dies.)
BUT please introduce a blue card because the public are sick of paying for these clean up operations.
Prevention is always better than cure.
( I bet you were butt frk'd by Uncle Johhny, Ay)
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Shameful Sniper
( make that your mum and dad and ya dog to, watch them die ).
( You have No idea of Evil) and I still hope your family members ups and dies.)
( I bet you were butt frk'd by Uncle Johhny, Ay)
You go too far. Way too far.
Is this how you deal with any critism or questioning outside of the forums?
Go have this conversation with Natasha or Ms69. The ones that get off on spreading pain.
Seems I have NO shame
I wish I had the ballz to go further. a chopper read wannabe.
If my sarcasm is below the belt, So be it.
Its people like Graham, who believe they are so self righteous, Pharisee's, He be the Prick that Would throw a Stone at Christ and help the romans place him on the cross.
Criticism is one thing, Prejudging is another.
Go watch a DVD called "John Q", then a dvd called "Cry wolf".
heres a little Aussie history for you. Ned Kelly. all started due to Cops breaking their own laws.
Look up a Hal Gringes and his story of 13 yrs battle with DOCs.
go re-read the Forde Inquiries findings.
Speak with the Stolen generation, the old and new, Thats why we got a show on TV, called Missing Pieces. Children looking for a lost Parent/s-family.
DOCs now is class as a dating agent,Unless Docs approves, a woman cant have a man under the same roof if theres kids below 18.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Sniper its comments like this
Sniper its comments like this 'I wish I had the ballz to go further. a chopper read wannabe.' that reinforces to me that you need some help.. who would want to be chopper read... this kind of behavior is so not healthy.
You know what i think, i think you we're wrong to have sex with a minor, you lost your family and rightfully so and they had all grounds to take them away and keep them away but in a way i feel sorry for you.. but i do believe now 8 years later you should get at least phone contact strictly supervised. the way you act and tell people what you are feeling is wrong though, you need to grow up a bit and learn to take some criticism and the fact is you we're in the wrong here so just accept the responsibility and in time people will think more of you when you accept your fault in this case.
Christ has nothing to do with Graham again you are making silly statements about things that shouldn't even matter, if you have a problem With GRAHAM take it to email and be over with it already
Sniper Movies are Fantasy but i will not deny things like this don't happen in reality they do when the workers have a abuse of power, but this is not the case in your case. you we're dealt with appropriately in my books
Every dept case is different and you shouldn't compare cases as they are not the same, but their would not be cases if their were no 'concerns'
Have read the Forde Inquiries and doesn't change my mind about the dept at all.. every body make the mistakes just with the dept i accept their mistakes as it is the childs life they are dealing with not some thing life less...
Stolen generation is a whole different story.. and this had nothing to do with you... again you are comparing things that have nothing to do with you? why?
You said "DOCs now is class as a dating agent,Unless Docs approves, a woman cant have a man under the same roof if theres kids below 18." Yeah they are and they have every right too.. wanna know why what if the man is abuser or a pedophile and the subject children are at risk because of this 'man' i would want dept to scan my partner if i was in the situation of this before i let him near my kids. it totally the right thing to do well done dept :)
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Really, no shit......
Who doesnt want to be Chopper read??.
Oh, so John Q is a Fantasy?.
I wonder if you could accept your husband having sex with another female all cos, she gives better head then you do. You would up and pack and take the kids and rightful so.
Im sick of accepting its ALL my fault. DOCS are the retards that cant, CANT even conduct traffic.
Im in the open, I dont hide behide emails.
Wrong, all dept are the same. those concerns could of been dealt with in 2003,not to covered it up.
oh! so you accept a 12 yr old being ganged rape, removed,then handed back to be gang raped.?.
You accept docs workers sneaking to a island to supply grog/drugs to children.?.
You accept that DOCs are corrupted, now that says alot for your morals, dont it ?.
Stolen generation is not a different story and has plenty to do with me, for my kids have been stolen and just like the ones before them, they to will seek Justice and only get a fake sorry.
So, You are a doc's worker, recruiting men to the dating (docs Agency) for single women with kids, guess that beats being a carer. :)
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
No one Normal wants to be CHOPPER READ
No one Normal wants to be Chopper read,
John Q is Fantasy,if it we're based on a true story far enough but it is not, you want to see abuse from a child through a child's eyes watch a movie called 'Towel head' truly disgusting how a well to do man and husband can take advantage of a minor, sickins me
If My Husband said she gives Better head than so be it,
i would not leave him if it was one off, but if it was too of course i would leave.
But dept might make little mistakes but they do know how to run and correctly run it from day to day or they wouldn't be in business and they would get other workers that could run it. but simple problems co exists within the dept like i have said understaffed and over worked, need more staff to ensure they do not fail
Yes it should not have dragged out for Years Sniper but it did and in the end the result was a positive result.
oh please sniper dept do not sneak grog or drugs to kids that is so funny stuff if i ever did, these are the people protecting the children remember that? i never said they are corrupt as such i said they do make mistakes but some officers can be corrupt it can be in any dept office. they are so overloaded with cases that need attention,
So you claim your children are stolen and you have the same rights as the Stolen Generation? don't think so your children we're removed based on risk of sexual abuse from you, the aboriginals children we're wrongly taken from them and that is wrong and that is stolen ,
i ain't no dept worker so that theory is wrong but tell you this if i didn't have a past with THEM would be working there YES.
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Choppers Fan club.
Rethink that again and you be so shocked to know, there is many out there that look up at Chopper.
John Q is only a fantasy to you, go get the DVD and save yourself the embarrassment.
I seen 1st hand of child abuse, I need no DVD to know, what I know happens.
lo, so you dont give good head. thats where you become that hypocrite, That one off, is all it takes, remember, thats what you said to me.)
But dept might make little mistakes but they do know how to run and correctly run it from day to day
( they couldnt even conduct traffic at the go cart circuit.)
They are in business to steal children and destroy normal stable homes, to fabricate and to manipulate.
yes it should not have dragged out for Years Sniper but it did and in the end the result was a positive result.
( are your sure you have the elevator going all the way to the roof?.or are you 20 cents short of a dollar ?.)
oh please sniper dept do not sneak grog or drugs to kids that is so funny stuff if i ever did,
( 2004, two townsville docs workers sneak over to palm island and supply grog and drugs to kids.( made the local news here.) again, you really do need to get out of your kitty litter)their punishment, was to be transfer elsewhere in QLD) Justice at work for Docs...)
they are so overloaded with cases that need attention,
(huh-huh, a docs worker works 2 days a week, will come and murder a family and then goes on a 2 week holiday) oh hell yeah, they so overloaded with corruption)
No, my kids were stolen, Docs fabricated so that it looked as if. now, why did you say "don't think so your children we're removed based on risk of sexual abuse from you". thats the same excuse docs used, your plainly telling me I frk my kids as docs does. Why dont you get off your fat arse and Just speak to my eldest son.I'll even give you the numbers to 3 of the last partners,maybe their words will bring you back into reality, Ill give you my eldest PH number.) cant say to much for the last 2 kids, as they cant speak. They must of used mind reading to relay all that, Huh)
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Chopper is no icon to want to
Chopper is no icon to want to be, he is a freak,
oh i have seen the dvd , no need to get it, but you only want it to be reality as it suits you.
The dept we're created to build better family foundations and help with family issues and to help protect the vulnerable and child at risk of harm and do it everyday, the front line child protection workers should be happy of their commitment to the community and the families and the children, if it weren't for the dept they wouldn't be happy we're they are today.
No you are the one 20 cents short of a dollar, Maybe one day when you are caught again you will be put away in a safe place so you can never harm another child ever again,
Ha dept workers work 5 days a week sorry from 8.30- 5.30 and sometimes after hours if a removal is to be done and this is just doing there job and i know this is the hours of operation.
Well that is not very bright to give out number where children are placed that is risking your children's safety needs, but yes I'm saying the same what dept are saying and they have every right to say that, some children are in denial for years of abuse they received from family of any kind lets just hope it didn't happen to them and the it was only risk but thank god the dept removed you so there is no future of posing a risk to them and the small children well see they are profiled on their reactions and developmental stages and how they act etc the are child specialist and they know their all to well, more than you would ever understand as you are the 'victim' oh no i mean ' child abuser'
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Your still a retard
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DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Sniper Why call people
Sniper Why call people Retards when they speak their mind? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion That is why its a free Public Forum, Why get your back up if its Untrue, it its rubbish just ignore it. But you get nasty and call names etc That is not very Mature!
Why Would the Mother get compensation if the child was the one that received the money? Also how did the Mother Press charges against you if This Girl was in state care under a 18 year order.. wouldn't it be up to the dept if they did this since a 18 year order awards full long term Guardianship to the chief executive for 18 years ? and the dept make long term decisions and day to day care to the child? so in a sence the mother would make no impact as the dept would need to make a legal complaint against you?
Also Agree Compensation is awarded to someone for more than a one off time, so i must agree this was more than once sorry Sniper,
Don't you think the dept have right to claim and call you a kid f'ker as you put it .. let me spell it out for you... you had sex with a 15 yo old girl she is still technically a child under 16.. you had sex with her even if it was consented too and you admitted to this and we're charged for this .. you committed a illegal act and in sense you had sex with a child under the age of 16.. so you are in fact in the depts eyes a Child Abuser. and rightfully so.
Don't wish death upon anyone 's family Sniper that is not a normal thing too do.. MAYBE you need help more than you are receiving.. Ask for Psychiatric help you sure need it.
Sniper you know the dept and Qld Police Did their role correctly and given the circumstances and the linkage they had every right to warrant the removal of your families/children.
Don't be a smart arse just accept your role as the adult and you took advantage of a 15 year old child and you say you we're Suffering from Depression.. do you see others suffering from depression out there having sex with minors? and being charged and spending 12 months in Jail NO .. instead you say you we're turned away from counseling etc don't give up then go to church and find faith and talk to a social worker there and ring one of the hot lines on the phone like Life line etc people do care and listen .. you are just full of excuses.
I'm Sure the Police are keeping a close eye on you since you we're the one that committed a illegal offense against a child under 16 and i know for a fact the CPIU as you put it wouldn't back you.. i mean if they did why didn't they help you when they we're removing your children at the time?
I Agree With the Blue Card Here, and Graham knows my reason's why, But Sniper you have just Reinforced the reason why it should be in Place. and by saying that comment '( I bet you were butt frk'd by Uncle Johhny, Ay)' that is just sicking and i hope you get the psychiatric help that you so desperately need you have gone beyond the belt, you know making fun of child abuse is no laughing matter and you should be ashamed of yourself .. How dare you say that to another Human Being. it just goes to show you don't take your offense so seriously.. Also have you ever thought of the children out there that are raped by people and are in care cause of this and are suffering everyday cause of this .. you are seriously deranged to be joking about this.,. you have gone way too far this time.
Also People have said that you committing this offense plays no part on your parenting well i beg to differ you see as they state men go over sea's for sex with children and you know what most of these men are caught and prosecuted either in Australia or over sea's and are set up and their children are removed from their care etc and these men should pay life in Prison they are sick Puppies in my opinion.
See i believe their is a linkage between having sex with a minor and future risk of sexual abuse with your own kids to other kids in the community, if i was the dept i would make sure a 24 hour watch take place on you. and you would never be allowed around minors again., what you did was child abuse clear cut case.
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The same as they call me a Kid Frker.
And your saying someone like graham got a mind?.
Cause everyday I have to live with retards attitude that cant see past, that two wrongs dont make a right.
The girl was in care with the dept till 18, I didnt say the mother got a compo, I sarcastically said that, to a Q: to what the mother might of got from it.
The mother has been under the Department Since the 80's when her brother Molested her eldest daughter(when she was still crawling) the brother got 6 months in a mental ward.
I was the 1st person she came to,to tell of it, My reaction:, got my mate and went hunting for him. cops beat me to him.
Also Agree Compensation is awarded to someone for more than a one off time, so i must agree this was more than once sorry Sniper,<--- see how you prejudged, you AssuMed and that just made a arse out of you.
Polygraph confirms I spoke the truth on this Question, The Girl herself will tell you, Only Once, My eldest son will also tell you, Once.
The mother had that choice that morning after myself and the girl,informed the mother to what happen the night before.
The mother didnt ring DOCs or Cops, did she, Hell frking No. but stated myself and the mother are going to get married , she the mother went and brought wedding rings for herself and me, went and brought a wedding dress and told all her friends That WE are getting married. 7 months of myself saying NO. at the end of that 7 months,the mother leaves the home and the next day, I am Questioned by Cops.Ect-Ect-Ect. No one questions the two before me or the one after me.
Don't you think the dept have right to claim and call you a kid f'ker as you put it. <--- NO. they dont, there is a fine line and Docs Opted to Do as They Did. and push me over that line to give me this Pedo Status.
you committed a illegal act <<<---- yes, I did.and paid for it and paid for it and did I mention, PAID for it, so to did Docs they to committed a illegal act.
Don't wish death upon anyone 's family Sniper that is not a normal thing too do. <<--- They wished mine dead and voice that out here. Maybe That death, will open their cold hearts.
Sniper you know the dept and Qld Police Did their role correctly and given the circumstances and the linkage they had every right to warrant the removal of your families/children.<---- they did nothing Correctly and you Know it.
Don't be a smart arse just accept your role as the adult and you took advantage of a 15 year old child<<--- oh! grow up, I didnt take any stinking Advantage what so ever.
I have seen others in depression, Kill themselves, have seen them hurt others, have seen it and felt it.
Yeah! sure, ring life line, get some Asian that cant speak English, or ring and ring and obtain someone in WA. yeah, lifeline, good system that.
I'm Sure the Police are keeping a close eye on you since you we're the one that committed a illegal offense against a child under 16<<<--- you be so wrong. I goto them and they tell me to leave, your not flagged...Huh???.
My last Partner in SA,only last year this time. We get invaded by docs, No questions asked of me, by either DOCS or Cops, The partner didnt state at anytime she wanted me to leave..Yet,I am charged with trespassing and placed on the streets of SA. Who is manipulating the Law?. who broke the laws.?...
Oh! lets talk BLUE CARD, thats a sham if I ever saw One.
Oh! yeah, just great, toss over all that help to see psychiatric, thats your answer to everything, Ay.
I dont take retards seriously and I am a shamed of myself,I was born in a country that Is retarded and run by retards.
Well, for all I know Uncle johhny could of done a good job on Graham , for him to be so self righteous.
I think of how many children DOCS have stole from normal stable homes to place these kids to be raped or murdered in society.
See i believe their is a linkage between having sex with a minor and future risk of sexual abuse with your own kids to other kids in the community, if i was the dept i would make sure a 24 hour watch take place on you. and you would never be allowed around minors again., what you did was child abuse clear cut case.
( have you also been molested to have this attitude ?.)
If i was the dept i would make sure a 24 hour watch take place on you. and you would never be allowed around minors again., what you did was child abuse clear cut case.
( yeah, I think you were molested, was it Uncle Johnny again?.)
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
i don't agree with Graham all
i don't agree with Graham all the time but he/she does have some good reasoning behind their post's yes.
And some of her/his post are right, and calling someone a retard doesn't make you any better or right.
Ok so the Girl is in Care, and the mother pressed the charges but i don't see how this could happen legally since the dept chief executive has care of her till she turns 18 so i would have thought that the dept are the ones that need to press charges since they have her long term welfare and day to day care not the mother etc
Then if you and the mother were this close. and you knew her brother molested her eldest daughter, why have sex with her 15 year old? that is just as bad as what her brother did and in my opinion you took advantage of this girl
Polygraph results you claimed that confirm this well if this is the case .. can i see them? and your son said once well of course he is going to think his father is innocent and the gift to god would a son down his father NO? I didn't know they used Polygraph's in court cases like this.... i would like to see the results..
I'm Confused about what you just said about the marriage and the weddding rings are you saying the girl wanted to get married of the mother?
Technically you did earn the pedo status Sniper. you had sex with a child under the age of 16 right? she is a child and you had sex with a child and in dept terms that is child abuse or could be seen as pedophilia if you look at it like them. They should have charged you for having sex with a child under 16 if i was that worker i sure wold have.
please enlighten me to how Docs committed a illegal act they did nothing wrong and you won't change my mind, and stop comparing still stuff back to other people you are really starting to frustrate me
No One wished death upon your family, you lost your son and that is very sad sniper, but lets face it its time to move on and get your life back together
dept and police did everything correctly and you know it.
Sniper you did take advantage this girl was a kid she was 15 under the legal age, you are the adult and you had sex with a child you took advantage of this child.
i mean how could you think so sexually of this child to even have sex with her... deranged mind...
Yes Depression can kill and self harm cause other problems but they certainly do not tell you to go have sex with a minor.. stop the excuses
You are always full of excuses my friend, next time i need a excuse i will come to you... Life line is good and good system in place for many Australian's across the states and even if it we're Asian ( racist now too?)
or someone from another state does it really matter as long as you get the help you need and not to go sleep with a minor?
Why is the Blue Card a sham... please explain this i'm interested to hear this theory...
The country is not run by retards, simple sniper don't like it get the hell out!
You said 'Well, for all I know Uncle johhny could of done a good job on Graham , for him to be so self righteous.' i just didn't think you could go any lower and u just did i beside myself right now.. you think child abuse is something to joke about... how would you like to be abused as a child constantly raped and tourted by someone and then joke about it all while you have bad dreams about it everyday and suffer in more ways than anyone thought could be possible.. don't joke about it sniper its not a joke child abuse is serious.
kids are not raped or murdered in society apart from Lukey, that i take on board but again you are judging some that not here to defend them selves dept aren't here to defend them selves yet you state things.
You Said "See i believe their is a linkage between having sex with a minor and future risk of sexual abuse with your own kids to other kids in the community, if i was the dept i would make sure a 24 hour watch take place on you. and you would never be allowed around minors again., what you did was child abuse clear cut case.
( have you also been molested to have this attitude ?.)''
For a matter of fact Yes i was very Much Molested by a family member and family friends over a long period of time and child abuse is not something i take lightly.. and no child should, but even my husband wasn't abused but he takes the matter seriously.
You Said '.
( yeah, I think you were molested, was it Uncle Johnny again?.)' Yes i was Molested in many ways Sniper and i have a strong belief against this abuse in society and i can tell you i wouldn't go joking about abuse as it not a laughing matter it is a serious problem and clearly one you suffer from being a sexual predator..
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no, but you wouldnt mind sleeping with him.
Ok so the Girl is in Care, and the mother pressed the charges but i don't see how this could happen legally since the dept chief executive has care of her till she turns 18 so i would have thought that the dept are the ones that need to press charges since they have her long term welfare and day to day care not the mother etc.
( thats Docs for you, they couldnt careless for that girl, her mother flogs the shit out of her and her younger sister.but every week end and school holidays, them kids are there being abused by the mother.)
Then if you and the mother were this close. and you knew her brother molested her eldest daughter, why have sex with her 15 year old? that is just as bad as what her brother did and in my opinion you took advantage of this girl.
( cos, that 15 yr old, knew what she was doing) and you would think it just as bad,Ay. )
please enlighten me to how Docs committed a illegal act they did nothing wrong and you won't change my mind, and stop comparing still stuff back to other people you are really starting to frustrate me.
(now I know your a doc worker) illegal acts,includes, File tampering, fabrication, manipulation,perjury,contempt of court.
No One wished death upon your family, you lost your son and that is very sad sniper, but lets face it its time to move on and get your life back together.
(hypocrite, time to move on??. yeah right. how many times do I need to move on ?.)they did nothing correctly,only correctly broke the laws.)
Sniper you did take advantage this girl was a kid she was 15 .you took advantage of this child.
( No I frking Didnt ) You really do have a the Forrest in your eyes )
Yes Depression can kill and self harm cause other problems but they certainly do not tell you to go have sex with a minor.. stop the excuses.
( and you have a Diploma on this Fact?. how people react in depression is not the same as you would react or anybody else)
You are always full of excuses my friend, next time i need a excuse i will come to you... Life line is good and good system in place for many Australian's across the states and even if it we're Asian ( racist now too?)
or someone from another state does it really matter as long as you get the help you need and not to go sleep with a minor?
( Just like that teenager that dies in the bush, rings 000 and zit happens, same to with life line, they read from a book to how to respond) Sure, I'll sell you 5 excuses for 1000 bucks.) why have a person that cant even speak English proper,be in a job that requires english ?.)
Why is the Blue Card a sham... please explain this i'm interested to hear this theory.
( the blue card was brought out, to defy who can be and who can not be. Yet, from School teachers to any one working with kids, Still had sex with children or students. Oh! and lets not forget the Cops, or dont you watch the local news.
People slip though the blue card trap, just as Docs workers who have been molested or abused are now in a position to do as They wish, Kill,lie and all they do,is wave a blue card.)
The country is not run by retards, simple sniper don't like it get the hell out!
OH! really, I bet if there was a poll starting with Howard to Rudd, the Retard meter will burst)
You said 'Well, for all I know Uncle johhny could of done a good job on Graham , for him to be so self righteous.' i just didn't think you could go any lower and u just did i beside myself right now.. you think child abuse is something to joke about... how would you like to be abused as a child constantly raped and tourted by someone and then joke about it all while you have bad dreams about it everyday and suffer in more ways than anyone thought could be possible.. don't joke about it sniper its not a joke child abuse is serious.
( I can go as low as a Snake) my bum is still cherry tight, so,true, I dont know that feeling of being raped, But I Do know to what its like to be abused by DOCs,starting at the age of 5.I do know what it feels like to be flogged, I do know from past partners to how, they would just jump out of bed,screaming, and sit in conner and cry, I know how that all feels. I was in my last relationship a yr. and I saw how the children reacted to me and how they spoke of their pains to me of being molested by their father. Hows this for a Joke. the partner I had in 2004 to 2006, from the age of 5,molested, at age 7-9-11-13 and 15, molested and raped and AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!, She complains and Nothing is done, she comes into my life, and in 6 months,I mend Her. in 20minutes of DOC's,she is right back to where she started. Nice job,Ay.)
kids are not raped or murdered in society apart from Lukey, that i take on board but again you are judging some that not here to defend them selves dept aren't here to defend them selves yet you state things.
(wow, What a profounded statement, Luke is but,just One of many, Seems your defending the Dept,pretty well)
Care to explain then, to why a child goes to this Dept and reports she is being molested by her carer, and the Dept do nothing, Until she goes back to that Dept,pours petrol all over herself and Lights UP. guess Docs have to concede to believe her now,Ay.)
You Said "See i believe their is a linkage between having sex with a minor and future risk of sexual abuse with your own kids to other kids in the community, if i was the dept i would make sure a 24 hour watch take place on you. and you would never be allowed around minors again., what you did was child abuse clear cut case.
( have you also been molested to have this attitude ?.)''
( your a retard, how I wish I had that 24 hrs around the clock watching. and frk you,) I dont see any frking stinking Docs worker around me, when I do have Minors at my home, They only attack when the mothers on the birth table and send in 5 cops, to do their dirty work. How shocked you will be, when these minors stand up for me in a court of law...)
For a matter of fact Yes i was very Much Molested by a family member and family friends over a long period of time and child abuse is not something i take lightly.. and no child should, but even my husband wasn't abused but he takes the matter seriously.
( i can see in your writings,That that took place. Thats how it was for the 2004-06 partner, she was and I wasnt)
i wouldn't go joking about abuse as it not a laughing matter it is a serious problem and clearly one you suffer from being a sexual predator..
(i bet after you got to know me, truly know me, how you will swallow each and every word)
DOCS = Death of children services
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Wild Child Stop
It would be great to see a thread on here about aged care. If you dont mind.
A blog or thread somewhere else on the forum so we can post about that.
Maybe even start one on child abuse.
I am sure many people could be helped by talking to you and learn the way home- so`s to speak.
I can see you need to talk about abuse by a family member. Thats GOOD. It must be so hurtful to be betrayed like that. But you know what! You made it. YOU made it. Dont go back there to invite a relaps by talking to ABUSERS
Dont think either you can save anybody else from themselves - or reach out to them for that understanding love and acknowledgement of regret and apology you so rightfully deserve.
These statements about Lukes Foster mother also are both sueable and outragous.
WE dont know that he didnt meet his death by way of an accident.
We havent heard the foster Mums story. But most of all try telling us more about your life now and help others to come as far as you have.
I for one would be interested to read your new thread if you were to open one about our wonderful aged people. The basis of this nation.
Rock Spiders
*I dont see any frking stinking Docs worker around me, when I do have Minors at my home, They only attack when the mothers on the birth table and send in 5 cops, to do their dirty work. How shocked you will be, when these minors stand up for me in a court of law...*)
Really, how intresting. So you have children around without their parents for company.
Well sunshine, you might just see DOCS - and others in the near furture IMO
You come into a thread about a little boy who died. His fathers worried as to what happend to him while he was in care- and you DARE speak of child abuse! You evil B@
You have defamed Lukes foster mother on this thread.
So I will ask the web master to remove those remarks. If that isnt done i will bring this to the attention of the AT.
Forums must be carefully editored
You are not doing Lukes Dad any favours or Luke thats for SURE
Graham
One more thing Wild Child
My dear
I think you know deep down you know you hurt the Foster mother on this site- by acusing her of only having the little ones to make money
As far as putting pics up. I dont know the rules.
I wouldnt- but thats just me.
You never know what grub is hanging out in places on the net etc
I just feel some of the stuff you said WAS hurtful and I dont think it was warranted.
But if you think it was fair enough.
I trust you to think about this and let your heart be the judge.
If you meant it- then leave it as stands- but if you were just cross - even if you felt bullied- Well you know what to do
Graham
reply to you sniper
Who ever brought the Charges on you, well doesn't really matter now does it? it just needed to happen and it did and you did your time.
i don't think she is as bad as you having sex with her she is still legally a child sniper and under 16 that is called child abuse, and you are the adult and you could say no thanks.
well for starters i am no dept worker, but i can tell you this i would have the child's best interest at heart in this situation, but i always wanted to be a social worker :) but if the dept we're in contempt of court why didn't anyone say anything? and tampering and list goes on as you say , why let them do it? why not file a legal suit against them? yes there is corruption but they are not untouchable .. still don't believe the corruption is that bad though as you extrate a lot and the dept do a lot of good work in the field of child protection.
They did their job correctly to you in the situation like i explained many times before they thought the children we're at great risk in the care of you as you have committed child abuse to the girl.. as the linkage.
So you didn't take advantage of a young girl a 15 yo that is legally a child and you say was abused before and you had sex with her, in my eyes you took advantage of her and her life
Depression causes all kinds of effects to everybody in different ways but it is a proven fact that sex offenders suffer from a psychiatric illness if they commit such a crime on a child, i have a friend that is a professor and he told me these facts
Getting someone on the Phone when you in desperate need shouldn't matter if they can speak English or not its the fact they listen isn't it? if you are not happy with them call parent line
some dept workers have been abused Yes but they do not take it personally like you think, facts have to be proven before they make a decision on the alleged person but don't you think they would be suited to the job since they know the abuse signs and patten of behavior too look for and they know what it is like to be abused by a person, so they can relate to the abused child?
Well that is Your Opinion, My belief is Rudd is doing a general okay but he ain't perfect but there are things he should change
Jokes about Bums aren't funny when related to child abuse this is a serious epidemic
Yes what happened to her sounds bad, but someone who has been sexually abused need professional help and years of therapy
Yes i will Defend the dept when they are not here to defend themselves they do do good, but you see this the carer has had a complaint against her and usually takes a investigation phase of progress to address the compliant but the child didn't give them time to do that, she would usually be placed else where until the investigation is over but seems she acted in such a way i would believe it was either happening or she was suffering from depression or psychiatric illness at the time
That fact is Sniper there is a linkage between having sex with that minor and future risk of having sex with your children, its child abuse.
Yes abuse is something i take lightly specially when i was abused but luckily he went to jail for what he done to me but no jail time will ever replace my childhood that was taken from me
Maybe i would, but if you we're being the true you i would properly be saying that right now.
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Here we go around the merry go round
Who ever brought the Charges on you, well doesn't really matter now does it? it just needed to happen and it did and you did your time.
( then the same should also apply to DOCs, They need to pay for all the crimes they got away with. )
and under 16 that is called child abuse, and you are the adult and you could say no thanks.
( there was NO abuse, why? cant you see that?. again, I was not in the right frame of mind,to be logical. why cant you accept that ?.)
but if the dept we're in contempt of court why didn't anyone say anything? and tampering and list goes on as you say , why let them do it? why not file a legal suit against them? yes there is corruption but they are not untouchable .. still don't believe the corruption is that bad though as you extrate a lot and the dept do a lot of good work in the field of child protection.
( they only true way, This can ever be proven, is in that court of law.) That will end ALL this Shit once and for all., I know DOCS are chicken shit to even consider any form of court to be accountable in. they have more to hide,then I will ever do.)
They did their job correctly to you in the situation like i explained many times before they thought the children we're at great risk in the care of you as you have committed child abuse to the girl.. as the linkage.
( what part of "no!! they didnt" you dont get ?. and when are you going to get off your high horse, That there was NO abuse ?. only from docs, starting from 2003.)
So you didn't take advantage of a young girl a 15 yo that is legally a child and you say was abused before and you had sex with her, in my eyes you took advantage of her and her life.
( wish you make up your mind, I didnt, I did, I didnt,I did. How is it your finding ever excuses to defend DOCs?)
Depression causes all kinds of effects to everybody in different ways but it is a proven fact that sex offenders suffer from a psychiatric illness if they commit such a crime on a child, i have a friend that is a professor and he told me these facts.
( your Professor,is classed as a repeater and has no iota, let me enlighten you on these so called educated Psych's. The father to that is none other then Sigmund fraud, who had sex with his mother, had sex with children and his own, took cocaine and then wrote a book about it, to which every Uni student that becomes a docs Works, learnt from a Pedo...Ironic).
Getting someone on the Phone when you in desperate need shouldn't matter if they can speak English or not its the fact they listen isn't it? if you are not happy with them call parent line.
( pass, these groups are nothing more then a waste of space.)
some dept workers have been abused Yes but they do not take it personally like you think.
( your joking,Right?. I have on tape recording, a docs worker, stating, she was molested and now is in a positions to do as she wishes, I also have 2 other eye witness's to this fact. Im not the only one that thinks that happens. Bligh has been molested to, and look what she is doing.
facts have to be proven before they make a decision on the alleged person but don't you think they would be suited to the job since they know the abuse signs and patten of behavior too look for and they know what it is like to be abused by a person, so they can relate to the abused child?.
(no kidding sherlock. the only Facts DOCs got of me is that 15 yr old. The rest is fabrication and file adding. These retards, dont even know body language or even human behavior.Dont have kids and or are Lesbians, They add what they want,They twist the words of a child to suit what they need,They demoralize the partners, My last one, gee! if only I had a video camera that night.)(even when a abused child informs them, They do nothing,until she pours petrol on herself and lights up.)
Well that is Your Opinion, My belief is Rudd is doing a general okay but he ain't perfect but there are things he should change.
(oh! hell yeah, Hes doing just fine, frking up this country) dont worry, we get another Fake sorry.)
Jokes about Bums aren't funny when related to child abuse this is a serious epidemic.
( again I state and quote, MY bum is cherry tight.)( I am not gay as docs makes me out to be.)
Yes i will Defend the dept when they are not here to defend themselves they do do good,
(your a blind bat,flying radical, Docs are too gutless to even defend themselves with me in a court room)(if there was a bookmaker here, the odds be a 1000 to 1, that DOCS are chicken shit. even to come on here in the open.)
That fact is Sniper there is a linkage between having sex with that minor and future risk of having sex with your children, its child abuse.
(there is NO facts to state that anywhere, and if there is, I just shot it all to pieces. how docs can twist my desires to be a father into A pedo,can only be done by Docs.)
Your a bitter woman,Wild: you blame all men as I blame Docs. DO you have full proof that your husband is not a closet pedo?. what tests did he take to convince you?. cause I want the same test.)
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
MY HUSBAND IS
dept don't need to pay for anything, they have done nothing wrong specially in your case okay? and when they are wrong, what is wrong with a sorry?
Why can't you see even in a unclear state people who loose their kids don't go out and and have sex with under age children, see the thing is it is child abuse you had sex with a child under the age of 16 she is a child and you abused her you are a child abuser. want to see the dept's act on this?
No i think you are talk, and i would go to far to say i think the dept would show in court, it is just you that doesn't do the action of bringing it to court...
The only abuse was you having sex with that young girl it is child abuse she was 15 she is a child. she is under 16 you had sex with her and it is child abuse, and that is the only abuse here, and the children we're at risk of sexual abuse from you and the dept removed them and rightfully so,
i defend dept cause they are governed body that protect children from abuse and risk of abuse, and they are very much needed specially in your case, you we're a high risk
that may be the case. but the Professor and dept workers i know do not at any time commit and acts of child abuse upon a child that is your job you do so well at,
SEE YOU have every excuse under the sun, when you are in dire need to talk to someone... you are lost cause.
You have proof Bligh was Molested? i wouldn't like to be you stating these facts that would be untrue, and you say you have a recording of a worker admitting to they we're molested and witness's, first off you are not allowed to tape record any dept worker at all it is illegal. so can't use that. and also witness's can lie for you they don't have to tell the truth now do they? did you inform the worker you we're recording her i bet not! but even if she was molested who cares? as long as she does her job that is all that matters.
Why do you constantly use other cases to be portrayed as the victim? cause you are guilty in your case of abuse,the dept had every right to take your children
Doc Sniper you are a pathetic winger that needs a life
You are a sick person.
Well You say Dept won't come on here and Defend them selves... How do you know i'm not a docs Worker?
The fact is there is truth behind depts statement you are a risk to all children, that you could sexually abuse them.
You wanna know what my Husband is? He is a Forensic Pschologist and he has no Criminal History and he is a law abiding citizen he does not commit acts of crime on children, the only pedophile is you or risk of that if you wish,
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your a frkhead
hope that curse kicks in soon
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Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Sniper you need Help
You Are Very Mature by Making silly Post's
Stop the Swearing and take the Criticism.
I would hate too see you at work if you can't take my Criticism, you wouldn't last Very Long.
But please stop Swearing this can offend people and Children could come Across this site :)
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Wild Child LEAVE IT
My dear
The first thing you need to understand is anybody who uses the word retard is offensive to people who have real learning delays.
Child abusers- especially the ones that are caught out and kept away from kids continue their sickness by talking about it
Thats as close as they can get.
So dont feed the illness.
Be it on the street, or on the net you must see the people you choose to talk to you are judged by.
You want to talk about something- if I can help anyway I shall.
But for god sake leave off lowering your standands to discuss child abuse with grubs.
You have come a long way, but you need to know that you dont have to talk to low lifes.
Nice people are around too. You got my private email through this site./
The matter you are discussing is a case where a young girl was hurt and paid her compo.
Lets not drag her pain out/ She might even read the thread- or trip over it oneday/
Think how you would feel or anybody else/
Also its clear to me the mother of the child removed herself, and her daughter as soon as she discovered her boyfriend where she was living with the child was abusing that child.
Either way lets give it a rest. You said get on with your life and stop talking about it all the time.
Then you raise the topic again
For everybodys sake dear FORGET ABOUT IT
Its not helping
Graham
Graham
Agree , i didn't see the
Agree , i didn't see the Matter Like that! But the case itself would be Hard and Complex Given Everything That HAS Happened according to Sniper.
No I don't know THAT? But I'm Going off some People i have Worked With and a few cases that i know dept paperwork has been handed to other agencies.
Yeah as the matter was 12 month Jail sentence i can presume it was very serious Matter for the Judge and guessing by the sentence i persume he wasn't a young age, So He was sentence given the Circumstances we will never Know I Guess.
Yeah i always have My own Idea's LOL But it is hard when you deal with dept and convo's about the dept become the attention of every time you meet up with friends i know with the few i know and i said to them as much as you feel abused by this dept you have to find a healthier obsessions and not a obsession about the dept they thought they we're doing their job and rightfully at times also. But go to church and meet friends and they have and they are much happier for it to now :)
Yeah he needs to Avoid telling people about his past, if wants to have any Future and Friends i agree with that one, But Course run from 2-3 days a week and Centrelink cover all costs's
What is MO3?
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Yes, Imagine if you were.....
i know he is not on the register( So does Docs),
but he does have the charge behind him of the 16 yo Girl.
(and ?. how many times must I pay for it ?. 8 yrs out of Prison, wheres a re_offense committed, wheres a track record of committing that same offense?. to warrant that removal of my Son's and the ripping away of the partner/s. To, I have to be held accountable everyday of my life for what I did wrong ?. when you and others Say, Sniper, you have to move on and when I try and I do, the first anyone does is bring up that past to murder my future. How Hypocritical.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
The reason it is Brought up
The reason it is Brought up is cause you KEEP playing on it and saying because of this and that etc and you can't get friends cause of this etc and you can't have a family cause of this etc Its time to wake up and Smell the Roses Sniper.
You either start Fresh today or Give up.
You May have not re committed the offense with a minor but the dept had every right to take the child into care given your past record until it would be proven over time you would not re commit could you Imagine in the dept's head if they did not act conservatively and removed your child and their was harmed cause to them the guilt they would feel? and they have a job to protect a child at risk of harm and it doesn't matter how the harm is caused.
I'm Be brutally Honest here, i would have removed your child rightfully known you had sex with a minor as put it this way the child was at risk of sexual abuse given the past history .. you know? but now there has been no more show's that people can change.
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How Hypocretical
In one post, Its I feel for you and I understand and in the next, its, Wake up and smell the roses. ????. Wow!!!!.
I will apply 50 lashes to self for my outburst, That everybody, Quote's: speak up, complain. Tisk-Tisk.
No, It doesnt give them that right, after 4 times of getting it wrong. It was I and I alone,informing docs, Why, Didnt they came to that half way point ?. Why add more to me ?.
In your own words, No human is safe, more so a man, Oh!!!, but a female school teacher can have willing sex with her male student and obtains just a simple slap on the hand, A man does that, There is no pass go.
I already stated, in a few week a man in my city goes to prison, on 80 courts of rape to a minor, and only get 3 months. whats that about ???.
If you conducted a true professional investigations back in 2003 and then Deemed me to be normal, This posting would not be taking place, Get my Picture. If DOCs did their stinking job correctly. I wouldnt be here bitching as you say. That being brutally honest.
Do you think I get some delight of burying myself in my home ?.
Do you think it doesnt hurt to be alone ?. Unnecessary ?.
Why ask all the questions after a event, when the event is yelling to be helpt ?.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Cause everybody here is sick
Cause everybody here is sick of hearing you winging about it everyday, How the dept have Did you Wrong.
it's time after reading all your stories to grow up and smell the roses and Accept that the dept got it right in one instance to remove your child as there is a linkage between having sex with a minor and then sexual abuse you see... what would happen when your child turned 15 or 16? would it happen the same .. see the dept would have to look at it at that way.. its their job.. but after you have proved after 8 years it's clear things can change but we don't know here 100% that it hasn't happened again and you haven't been caught, we can only take your Word for it.
but i do feel for you that you have no support or family and no friends and i told you to go out to some clubs or bars or a local church as they have get together's and make some friends and people you can talk to and don't talk about dept stuff as it makes people run and your friendship is based on dept stuff and it gets repetitive and people get sick of that, you want true friendships. church is the best place to start. there are some really nice people there.
And you want to Move on Yeah? Start by going out and make some friends and do some stuff that makes progress go get a volunteer job they have volunteer jobs at the local church etc and you will find a social worker at the church and I'm sure they would take you on they are very understanding people and i know one that works for a church and she is counseling a ex pedophile so i know people do give people chances you just have to try.
No One said you can't be angry or upset.. it's just the way you come across Sniper and this is Most days. there has to be some level ground. and try looking at it at the dept point of view.. there was substantiated risk to the child/ren
You state others get less time that you.. is that the Problem? you done your time so what is the Problem. and you state a female gets 3 months? you know what i think, i think that is disgusting and woman should pay the crime as much as any male would she is guilty regardless of gender.
Even if you Did inform Dept. that is good and responsible thing too do but Dept would have done a check in the long run anyways..
Wild Flower
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I tried to warn him...
"Cause everybody here is sick of hearing you..."
Do not presume to speak for me.
No one said i was talking for
No one said i was talking for you Jewely.
I was saying General maybe i should of said 'Most' :)
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This chapter of Sniper
You must get sick of repeating yourself, I think I have heard the story so many times and people asking the same questions over and over.
But this one chapter, just the one where you slept with a teenager.
No, I don't see how that has anything to do with parenting or speaks to your skills as a father. Plenty of well paid, recpectable businessmen/fathers that cruise off to Tailand to make use of young girls and boys.
You wont see anyone from any department commenting on that or removing children based on this alone.
I am not commenting on morals (before anyone else leaps in), just why you have been seperated from your women and children.
I'd file that particular event away forever under "Oops/Bills Paid".
Try frustrating.
If I had them (TRUE and Honest) answers to why DOCs are so hell bent in not only removing the child/ren, but also The partner/s,Then makes sure that I Dont have any contact with the said child/ren, Then you and I would know.
Docs cant even get their own stories of me straight, They swap and change it to suit them, add events,place me places I have never been to.
As I piss off people here, Imagine who I might of Pissed off in that Department.
Funny you should mention Fathers/husbands, recpectable businessmen sneaking over to places like Tailand, Buy a a boy or girl, and have a live in sex slave.
DOCs tried to do the same to Steve Erwin, stating his a unfit Father,cause of that Croc event. Due to only Steve being famous and rich, it was over looked to pursue by Docs. If a normal everyday welfare bulger(as Graham calls them),did that, he would lose his kids and his woman.
Docs have this policy of Kill first, ask questions later, oh!!! oppps Docs got it wrong, DOCs policy to that, Lets cover it up, lets add more to it, to enhance what DOCS say is gospel.
If and Only a IF, DOCS did truly conduct a true and professional educational investigation way back in 2003, By saying, We have this concerns, we are removing your child(not the partner) and to Test and to investigate you,till WE(docs) are happy, This way, a relationship is, that said child still gets to see mom and dad, If it took 6 months or a yr or even 2 yrs, Thats way better then what DOCs have done by Murdering my family and killing Love.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Just wondering
Sniper have you requested your file from DoCS? Don't they have to give people all info they have on them if a request is made?
It is freaky cause a few days ago I posted those youtube links where all states were protesting about shared custody.
Each one seemed to highlight that this country didn't care at all about what a parent was like and that it did not stop them awarding shared custody to a parent. (These were non-DoCS involved cases though)
I think what I understood was that it doesn't matter what you personally have been accused of it is not taken in to account where your own children are concerned.
So can't be the 15/16 year old aye.
But looking back, and I know you've done that with a microscope, what thing is the main thing that DoCS used to stop you living with your children?
To FOI or not to FOI.
I have both FOI's from Cops and DOCs,dated from 1977 to 2007, Cops take about 4 weeks to get to me, DOCs takes over a year. tween both, they differ. this is where I learnt I was in other place I have never been before in my life.
from 2003, I ask DOCs for any information of their concerns of me, Instead I am told to leave their building or I will be charged with trespassing.
2004, I start a relationship. 2005, docs plays God. I am giving files, that indicates their concerns,this file, is only about 20 pages or less.
2006,another relationship starts. 2007, DOCs play God again. these files are now 300 pages thick and give details of events that only Docs could ever make up. In less then 6 months tween the 2 relationships, My files have been added to.to enhance that Pedo Status.
DOCs have cross no mans land to commit their Personal views, to myself never to have any form of any contact what so ever to my children. The last Partner is a witness to DOCs hearsay and has been recorded to tape.
what thing is the main thing that DoCS used to stop you living with your children. I dont Know, I wish I knew.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Get out of the Game
I can't see a way out for you Sniper.
It may well mean that a life with young children in it is over, taken, not to be repeated.
Doesn't mean a future with a partner isn't on the horizon though.
Love may still be in your future.
Would that be something worth looking for?
You're staring at your cards, you can't "raise" or "call", you need to "fold".
No "bluffing" isn't an option.
The Deck is Rigged.
Ha-ha, So it is a game, That Docs plays with lives....
Here come wear my glasses and I'll show you a way out.
Its not over till the Fat lady sings.
And true, I could just find a female and just Love, but that emptiness will never be healthy in any relationship.
This is Why i Lose that Love, SO easy for a woman to Just give up.
I never was bluffing. One day, a line will be crossed, I only Hope its the line to a court room to seek that Justice, or a court room to place me in a REAL prison. Then graham has to pay for it in his stinking hard earn Tax's.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Life is a Game
There doesn't have to be emptyness without children in a relationship.
Eventually all our kids grow up and move on anyway.
You're not a 25 year old ready to start a family though, and certainly nothing wrong with women who either don't want one, can't have one, or whose children are older.
Justice might or might not come while you are looking.
What other stuff do you do outside of time online?
I'm sure Graham isn't happy when his taxes are used to mess with someone life either.
Sniper i got a idea GET A
Sniper i got a idea GET A JOB! and stop being a bludger and full of excuses... find a woman and marry her buut don't have any more kids :)
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I got a better Idea.
my 1st response was "FRK you and your Kind."
come to think of it, its also my 2nd :)
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
So, Im selfish, frking Kill me for that to.
Whether one child and the only child or 50, We as a a human breed have this thing called a biological clock.
The Body tells us what we need,when we need it. I want,due to being Robbed,starting with my 7 week old son,that Dies.
If by all you Highly educated people on here,Cant have a Iota to this, Then Thats Why I also class you's retards.
IF and FRKing if, I am that much of a danger, to why then didnt the all mighty DOCs come and removed him ?. why didnt they TAKE my eldest son(he was 12 at the time.
Why am I living near 4 schools ? why am I near 3 day care centers and a library and let not forget a major shopping center? all these answers and more, On Ripley's believe it or not.
What other stuff do you do outside of time online?
( my garden ) and try to protect myself when people come to my home to kill me.
im sure graham tax money will just love that.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
To Jew;ery - an important message from-
*I'm sure Graham isn't happy when his taxes are used to mess with someone life either**.
There are always exceptions my dear .....
SMILE
Graham
So you won't just Love some
So you won't just Love some woman for her? it has to have kids? why the fascination with having kids and wives etc very bizarre to me
won't be happy in a marriage without kids... it clear you can't have kids around you.. but you won't find happiness without kids.. has to have kids strange man,..
what's the grudge with Graham?
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I want FREEDOM.
YOU, as a frking woman, cant even fathom to how it feels like to have a child die, be branded, be demoralized.
The Grudge....He is a hypocrite.
You all Full of advice, But NO real solution. The REAL solution, Is a COURT room, Get The picture.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Rock Spider
Lukes Dad knows what is like for a child to die.
A few others.
One Dad I know lost his whole family 4 kids his best mate and wife. They were all killed -terrible. I have a cousin who lost two kids in a car accident and another to cancer.
We are all familar with the little boy Daniel who kidnaped and murdered from QLD several years ago.
The pretty little child who was picked up outside her home and a body dumped just meteres away from her Mums place
All of these people know what its like.
Thousands of kids have dies from sids
Yours died from sids two years ago at 7 weeks of age.I do nOT compare that with Luke Dds story. Any death is always sad to the parent of COURSE!
Most people have got on with life and actually made real efforts to do whatever they could to help others.
They work they have friends and they grieve deep down. I should think Lukes Dad might just be in a better place than many to understand- but there is NO comparrison to a child of 2 and a half years.
Had you been posting about sids and early death of
infants that would be one thing
Your not.
You just want to keep talking about abuse of children in a "sexual way and yourself."
"I read way back Lukes Dad asked you to ease up- as he put it."
He said this is about Luke my Son who died in the hands of DOCs and one of heir care givers.
So lets us ALL remember that- shall we!
I will add this.
A blue card would have picked up on the fact that BOTH these people were on drugs well before Luke was born
And You can say some of you that you dont feel a blue card is warranted for ALL parents.
Some said I was wanting to make a special breed of kids.
No I just wanted to come up with logical ways to protect little kids. Fact IS Luke should NEVER had been placed with his MOTHER who according to Dad Gave him SPEED at Six Months!
\ A blue card would have STOPPED THIS
\ Cant see why anybody would have a problem with that!
Graham
Why in hell shouldnt Foster Parents be Paid!!
If I were going ti be a Foster parent for DOCS I would want to be paid. Its a matter of self worth and principle.
DOCS staff get paid. Church orgs get paid Anybody who works SHOULD get paid.
Thats part of our Australia LAWS!
Nobody ever said people doing fostering didnt do it because they really liked kids.
Some people work in DOCS for the same reason- I would hope.
So why shouldnt Foster Mums and Dads be paid for
the great work they doby the Australian Government?
I didnt even KNOW they were not.
So the Governments want to just USE kind hearted familys so they can have a bigger pay packet
Well as a tax payer I say Pay the foster Parents and take the money from welfare bludgers!
Graham
Mony, Photos, Stupidity
Would be hard to buy the kids things if not paid Graham, and of course sibling groups would be out of the question except for the quite wealthy.
And I think I read somewhere very recently that the wealthy of Australia give less to charities than any other nation.
[As for the rest of the thread. I have left this a few times and no one reads it before they bleat at me.]
If Ms69 while going to other sites and collecting excerts from my messages she should have a full understanding why I was taking a photo of one particular foster child while in the bath.
I have never used the word "grilled". But caseworkers ring if there is a concern and ask how a child got a bump or a bruise. They have even popped in to get a photo of it and check for themselves.
This is a good thing, this is what they should be doing when a complaint is made.
I can take as many photos as I like of kids, the parents love them. I had a computer crash about 6 years ago so lost pervious ones but right now have about 5000 photos on file... should really sort my crap out and put them on disc.
Naked photos no, but a three year old girl who puts on 3kilos regularly in two days while on overnight says with a parent is a concern.
This is what Ms69 didn't bother trying to understand when I wrote about it on another site. She just came back telling everyone I took photos of naked children. You'd think working for a lawyer she would know better?
The child was returning so bloated that to demonstrate this I took a profile shot of her while getting out of the bath before she left and one after her bath when she got back.
I got told by the caseworker not to take them naked so next time I did it with just her wearing tight fitting clothing.
End of story. On the P4P site we were talking about feeding children and it was in a conversation about food.
Does say volumns about her that anything can be taken out of context and used against another person in the nastiest way possible.
She is purley shitty about what happened on Raising Children so came looking for me, soon as she saw me chatting to others she wanted them all to dislike me as much as she does. Watch her, she'll be nice to someone just to set them up (aye Sniper), not falling for this stupid game she plays.
Next she will play her Ace - oh I have been abused too (she's been waiting for the opening) and my children put in care with demons. She waits so she can use this information in a an argument, no other reason.
Her attempts to talk to me is part of setting me up so she can use previous abuse and abuse of her children in this way, point scoring.
Graham she didn't hurt my feelings, Nat and Jane hurt my feelings that night we all had a go at each other and Jane even said sorry and I get that she is going through enough with her kid in care so all good. Nat didn't but I am guessing she is rather young.
Cutting cruel remarks hurt, not Ms69's sarcasm and atempts to be clever.
Sammy has had his pills, has a new weird cough. Might mean the poor sod is on the mend? He is eating more than usual but I think he's loosing wieght.
Sammy You tell him
Sammy is more important than any of this so let us know how hes doing pls on a 'daily basis'
All too often we tend to forget about our most wonderful friends.
Our REAL friends who never betray you or stab you in the back!
Goodluck Sammy and dont forget your are your number one fans.
Graham
No one said Foster Parents
No one said Foster Parents should not be paid of course they should i agree they should, but i disagree with the amount espically in the Qld fact is i know one grandmother getting 2,000 a fortnight what the hell for?
Well i was reading messages in general not just your messsages i was reading messages about foster care and came across yours Jewely. and if there is some reason behind it please tell and i may change my mind,
Well some of the Workers here it Qld that worked with Foster carers i know the most they have got was a phone call asking about how the incident occurred and leave it at that, that why i said there must of been some concern as to why they took photo's of it and asked you about it etc don't they think you provide enough care to know what is right and what is not?
But it is not a good thing if the parent complains all the time is it?
i didn't know foster carer we're allowed to take pics of kids that weren't theres you see i know this one carer and the case worker told her she is not allowed to and she is open to a suit from the parent if she did,
Well i thought you said she was in the bath Naked? but if she is putting weight on why not take one of her in the bedroom standing up or something? that would be more practical
My Work has nothing to do with my Personal beliefs you see i have a difference between professional and personal big difference but again, why take it in the bath like i said take one of her in the bedroom etc
i understand your concern and you should be concerned i just don't agree with the bath pictures...
Well the case worker was right don't take them naked it is wrong, best to take them with tight clothes on etc
Well at least i know the facts now of why you did it but i still don't agree with the pics being naked.
No one took it out of context didn't you just say the case worker said not to take naked pictures so you just admitted to it?
You Said Jewely *She is purley shitty about what happened on Raising Children so came looking for me, soon as she saw me chatting to others she wanted them all to dislike me as much as she does. Watch her, she'll be nice to someone just to set them up (aye Sniper), not falling for this stupid game she plays.*
please tell me how i set people up and then be nasty to them, like i said before my view on sniper changed as soon as his stories change and are not constant with his stories etc end of story. What did happen on Raising children please tell me? I Have never seen the site before and doesn't seem to get much traffic as it is but thought about Joining :) How do i set people up i would like to know... and for a fact i do support dept most of the times.. so better watch out my run back and rat to them... :)
Jewely you have no idea what you are talking about there Girly if you like you can see the police file where the monster was charged for abusing me and went to jail for it you fool.. did he go to jail for nothing? it is no argument reasons it the truth you fool
i don't want no point scoring from you what so ever i couldn't really care what you seem to think, but given you pointed questions at me it is only fair i respond to you :)
You got to have Feelings to have them Hurt, you can't when you are a cold Bitch. and that will only hurt if it the truth :)
oh i try to be clever that is a new one LOL
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No One said Foster parents
No One said Foster parents shouldn't be paid. but the issue is the foster carer's or Kinship carer's in Qld get paid so much money... You see i know one grandmother she weeps in 2,000 a fortnight... what in the hell is that all for?
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Wild Child
Um,
If your asking me, you asking the wrong person.
One thing, you can bet your life on is Government departments NEVER overpay the public.
I do know someone who fosters five children. Three being her own grandkids- two others.
AFAIK its about 200 dollars per child and thats is for everything- including Mobile and STD phone calls Drs ,specialsts, petrol, travel, holidays, pocket money ,school outings, food clothes, toys uniforms dentsist and so forth. Pls dont forget the ongoing extra recourses within the home power water and the broken thisor that.
You sure couldnt send the kids to a decent private school unless you paid yourself.
While you may just scrape through there is nothing for the foster parent . Nothing at all.
Why shouldn`t they be paid. Its a disrace . I have watched her struggle for many years. Go without EVERYTHING herself! Refused help from friends. Too proud.
Actually until not long ago, she didnt even get the foster care funds to help pay for the three kids.
Why ?because they were her own grandkids.
How stupid is that.
Please dont tell me, foster Parents get much from Goverments because I have seen it first hand.
Why shouldnt the Government pay at least four hundred per week non taxable pluss the two hundred for the childs upkeep
7 days 24 hours a day. No respite in QLD. No Docs picking up the children to see Mum - nothing.
They are expected to work all week- look after the children and then organise drive and supervise visit with parents.
Never a day or night to themselves. No Foster parents are the salt of the earth, and Government imop use their love of kids and big hearts.
Then they expect us to agree to pay up to six months offmaternity leave for mothers and fathers wanting to bring more into the world.
Dont start me. How unfair to Foster parents. What about their wages!?
Graham
Well that is FAIR enough but
Well that is FAIR enough but i have seen this grandparent's bank statement and payment from Dept it was 2,000 a fortnight and they is far too much to be paid for 3 children and then she gets centrelink implment on top of that... if parents we're to get that much money from govt they would be called a bludger LOL
There is nothing for the foster parent No, But some do that i know of spend the money that is meant for the child on them selves.
Well i too have seen it First Hand on a few accounts and i see the money that is brought in, one foster parent got a new car from the funds she was receiving from the dept, so i know that they aren't all the same but the dept should only pay what is needed no less no more,.
Why pay the the foster carer Govt money .. if the parent got govt money they would be called bludgers? But that is not the point they should get money yes just make sure the dept gets receipts for everything.. to make sure it is being spent on the right things.
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Wild Child your out of line insulting
*Well that is FAIR enough *8
No Wild Child,
No it isn’t fair enough.
It’s not fair at all.
That ‘was’ my point.
*but I have seen this grandparent's bank statement and payment from Dept it was 2,000 a fortnight and they is far too much to be paid for 3 children and then she gets centreline implement on top of that..*
1 Are you alleging they are not looking after the three children Wild Flower?
2 If so have you reported them?
3 I am no expert but my common sense! Tell me if they are grandparents there are tow of them- and they are on pensions.
So I put it to you in light of that$2000.00 PER FORTNIGHT the figure would be as follows- or there about.
Two hundred and fifty to three hundred dollars ‘per adult person per week
So multiply that x two= twelve hundred dollars
+ 200 dollars per child x 3= twelve hundred dollars.
So that adds up to 24 hundred dollars- so they don’t even get that much.
Centre link would of course ‘combine the pensions and the children’s money and send it out together.’
Of course the ether rent or owns a house so you work it out.
It’s pretty sad that you have been trusted to see these peoples bank account and then come in here and complain behind their backs
I am deeply disappointed in you. I thought you were both smarter and kinder than that.
*There is nothing for the foster parent No, But some do that I know of spend the money that is meant for the child on them selves.*
Ok, did you report them?
*Well I too have seen it First Hand on a few accounts and I see the money that is brought in, one foster parent got a new car from the funds she was receiving from the dept, so I know that they aren't all the same but the dept should only pay what is needed no less no more,.*
Look WHY 'shouldln`t 'people be paid for what they do?
If you work in a day care you get paid right?
Do you work in a nursing home? Do you expect to be paid?
A butcher a cleaner a lawyer.
I just can’t get where you are coming from. TBO
*Why pay the foster carer Govt money.*
Because they are doing a 'JOB for the Government'
There is a law against under paying people and SLAVE labouring this country Wild child.
*. if the parent got govt money they would be called bludgers?*
The parents money( crikey) they would *normally get funds to help look after kids.
It is taken 'OFF' them and given to the foster parents if kids are removed- 'as it should be.'
What on earth is you objection to that?
*But that is not the point they should get money yes just make sure the dept gets receipts for everything... to make sure it is being spent on the right things.*
How dare you treat people with such an insular disregard and obtuse attitude?
Didnt you call ME insenstive!
You are discriminating against foster parents.
Let me tell you something young lady. If i were a parent I would *expect to look after my *own children. But if for whatever reason I HAD to leave my kids with someone, i would OF course pay them... for how ever long... WELL actually.
I would NOT expect 'others 'to come along and do my job. Not for Free anyway!!
*I would pay for *everything and that would be *my job.
BUT if I were asked to look after someone else’s kids I would treat them the same as mine.
However I would expect SOMETHING in payment for my hard work.!
You are very unfair to Foster Mums and Dads who mostly do a good job.
So you think nanny’s day care everybody else should be paid –but the one who has them to most 7 days and nights a week are entitled to nothing.
Frankly my dear your attitude stinks IMO
Graham
Sniper as Sacrifice
I get the feeling of not being able to have kids, but not the circumstances like you have experienced.
But, and seriously I am about as far removed from religion as a human can be, what if this was Gods plan?
What if he didn't want you to be a dad and has another plan for you that you're not carrying out?
To find out you'd have to be out of your self imposed prison looking for what he wants you to do?
Too many Sacifice's me things.
There is many couples, that cant have kids and will goto any length to obtain.
Then you have people like me and possible M: and others, that either from birth to some other date in time, the child dies.
More tragic if this Child dies at the hands of Pedos and dept workers/Carers.
Even more tragic handing a child back to be re_ganged raped, Handy back to Knowing abuses and the Child is either raped or killed or both.
Dont you think I have asked that very same Question ???.
Why. Why did god allow me to have more kids, to find love and then its all taking away.
That be like meeting you, you get to like me, you find love in me and then you fall in love. so far that roughly a year,maybe two. you see everything I do, your with me, 24/7, I dont abuse you, I dont 2 time on you, and I dont hit you.
Then we get a visit from DOCs and Cops, Then dont ever question me, but they tell you, Im a kid frker,they tell you, I abuse anything that walks. you defend,cause you love and trust me and believe in me, DOCS then give you a choice, remove me from the home or they will take that kids. Now,let people here (females) place themselves in that position(Like my Partners had to) with their man they are with now. Who will you choose.?.
When you can understand that, then you know my pains.
I ask that same question also,upon release from prison, Whats MY purpose. to live on the streets,to be branded,to lose love,to lose children,to lose self respect,to be attacked in all manners of attacks.to be alone. If thats gods plan, SO be it. Then I am not the one that is being tested. That Parable of the Samaritan,I gave, proves my point,to how christ told it would be.
Was it Gods Plan to have 4 females be filled with hate?. was it gods plan to have children without the true father ?.
I dont have them answers.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Blue cards in the future Rock Spiders
The lovely thing about this country,is that our fathers, and gradfathers, grandmothers WORKED and fought for was justice to ALL people.
Even we the ones we hold little respect for.
So I will BRIEFLY discuss this case matter that keeps popping up by a disgruntled Sniper.
I will WITHDRAW my offer, should the disscussion turn to sleeping, with children out of context.
In a case where a male person was charged for CN and goaled- done his time and let go. ( That should be the end of the story)
UNLESS other complaints have come to light.
( which would appear to be the case)
However if as a result of that no charges were laid ,it would be probably unreasonable, to demand a family part.
UNLESS DRUGS Were Found to be involved,
Please remember ,I am working on one side of the side of the story and -I am sure DOCS would tell another.
However given the few facts , 'or story', before us and 'perhaps giving too much credit, to the author, we shall proceed.
*I reserve the right to come back, and readdress this matter again to amend any findings.*
So according to the author DOCS came for nothing?
Doesn`t add up....
While attending they search records and find the 'said' father, of the kids has done time years prior to CN
They then go to the mother and say.
#If you dont take these kids and get him out of here, we will take them#
No suggestion of counciler or phycs- just LEAVE HIM.
1 Mum leaves-
2Dad wants to see the kids.
3 He is refused visits on top.
Whats interesting, IN LAW ONLY about these cases and including Lukes Father is as follows.
A State Governments passed and act, giving caseworkers the powers of the FEDERAL courts( pretty much)
I will explain later, how I 'think these state Government acts could be challanged.
It 'is possible' State Governments DOCS act are in compemt, conflict of our Federal Court Laws.
If so it would open a flood gate of complaints and people sueing for damages.
Its not something that interests me personally at all.
I think DOCS are mostlty doing a great job-- from what i have seen on this forum- at least.
Before I go onto explain, the possible conflict of interest between a dOCS case workers- being given Federal court powers ,I am afraid you are going to have to listen to this again=
Blue cards will STOP any further confussion.
If you dont have one you DONT have children.
Surley we can do 'that much' to protect little kids, from a life of confussion, being told they cant get to know their Dad because hes a bad
man/ mother.
Not good enough Premiers.
The alternative card might read
If you lie wth dogs you catch fleas ( Murpheys law)
May I say it IS unreasonable,
for a State Government to pass
a law which is in direct conflict with Federal court ACTS.IMOP
It may save costs- sure.
TBO I cant see one case
on this forum where people
have been at risk of an
injustice. However I am sure
there must be some .
I understand why state Governments changed the act: To save costs: I can see with the never ending drug problems these cases of child neglect have muliplied:
It is for this reason a
Government must lead the
way and act like a parent.
A good parents sets out
ground rules from day one and well before that too by making sensible plans.
A good parent wont allow
his /her kid to drive a car
without a licence ,or to take
a lolly from the candy store
without paying and saying thankyou.
State Governments in Australia
have not been good
parents or leaders.
We have young people AND older. Queing up at centre link with a PREGNANT UNEMPLOYED with the so called Dad, waiting outside, with his drugs- Er actually waiting for the centre link money OUR money to PAY for them!
How dare Governments allow people like this to have children.
Instead of laying the ground rules, they have
stuffed up as usual and given mixed messages allowing just anybody to have kids- No
licence no safefty checks no
job on drugs no nothing!
It is YOUR PREMIERS and Prime Minister to control this.
Premiers have created 'more problems'
by not objecting to the Federal
Government when they irresponsibly
handed out thousands of dollars to
young kids to get pregant.
Where we YOU Premiers?
when the opposition decided
to fund these homes with extra
drug and grog money.
( Once again no saftey checks nothing!)
You sat by and allowed and watched this happen as the Federal Government made this irresponsible move to buy votes
from the good old Christians.
Have more chidren the Christian
leaders cried we need them. We ae frightend we are going to by over run etc
It amazes me and (I think i mentioned this )
before that the Government give millions in different projects to combat global warming and they dont combat this.
Sooner or later, the world is going to come to grips with the fact. the world "is over populated."
We have got all sorts, of virus from bird flue to Swine just to mention from you crazy attempt to mass feed people by inflicting unbeliable cruelty on farming animals by intensive farming.
Stuffing them by forced feeding on anti bioticscreating swine and bird flue.
Its happening right here in Australia right now.
So if you REALLY care about your kids furture I say to each and every one of you on this forum. Open our eyes and protest this barbaric treatment because ONLY then will ALL children and humanity have a future.
I have never seen ONCE any concern for the en+viroment. Only self interests-
Mothers and Fathers on this thread need to understand the world does NOT exclude them!
This Government has got to do somthing about 'birth control' and its got to introduce blue card for all parents!
Instead we have just seen ANOTHER example of their irresponsisibilty.
You dont allow people, to have the kids ,in the first place THEN -walk in and say you have to take the kid and leave the father if you want to keep it.
Which brings me to= Before you issued this direction Mr and Or Mrs Case worker-
DID YOU HAVE A COMPLETE : psychiatrists report on DAD and the children?
Did you have them done on either parents?
Did you THEN follow that up ,with a meddico legal report, with recomendations to remove the children from the parents and block all access.?
Or did you just issue orders, given your great new found powers, that were passed onto you by our incompident employer- the State Government.?
bTW Did you have ANY sort of Phyc test to see if YOUwere a fir person to handle the powers of the full force of a Federal Court Act?? without abusing those powers.
That would take a very specially mentally trained person.
TBO I am not sure ,*I could do it, 'without flexing my mussles 'if i tripped over some fowl moth little person, with some type pf percicution problem.
Gee, cant ou just imagine, if the bloke looked like he wasnt looking after his dog.
Crieky!! How far do you reckon he would get with me- ah! Urika.
So there is my counter argument to this new act
It leaves the gate pen for unfariness legally.
Dont get me wrong I am not blaming you for just doing your job case workers.
I am simply enquiring, as to IF any basic acts that are applicable in a federal court at all - were recognised.?
It`s just a simple question.
So I need to know pls
A Did you simply walk, in and see hear, a fowl mouth rude Dad, and then 'self asses' him,as unfit to be around kids- THEN look up his record and find the old charge from years ago THEN just excersise your mussles.?
A simple yes or no is required.?
Graham
Some people that can't have
Some people that can't have kids either Adopt or Foster..
No Tragic is the child dies in the hands of a pedo not dept and carers they are just doing their job.
sorry dept don't usually hand children back to known such offenders as that.
God is not taking the children away. you are pushing the children away from your past abuse of the abuse to the child its that simple. you had sex with the minor as per my linkage to the abuse as i said before risk of sexual abuse.
Some Pedo's hide their covers and tracks really well not to be court. but if i believed you i would support you no matter what, but your stories aren't to true as the facts change all the time,
the first opinion would be easy i would choose the children and any mother that doesn't is stupid.
Your rights we're taken away the minute you violated the 15 yo old child and had sex with her, her child hood was taken away from her, you pay the price for the crime you committed but you see . if you didn't do that things might have been different,
just because you are the biological father doesn't mean you are the 'true' father anyone can father a child but it takes a TRUE man to be a father!
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Dont you just regret the words you say.
No Tragic is the child dies in the hands of a pedo not dept and carers they are just doing their job.
( Say what ???????. Oh! boy, you really do need to get out. obtain the statistic,say from 1960 to 2009, of the death of children in the care of Docs and carers and not only death, but also the abuse. Some of us are the Living Statistics, that remember being a test rat,having probes placed on you. Some of us remember the abuse we receive while in the care of Docs and carers,There is NO difference tween a pedo and Docs,they both abuse,they are both in our society.)
sorry dept don't usually hand children back to known such offenders as that.
(I was going to run you down to the max:,,dont usually. should be, never again...tell that to that 12 yr old that did get handed back to be ganged raped twice.that 12 yr old girl at bribie island, should I continue ?. or do you finally get that picture ?.)
God is not taking the children away.(,true, DOCs do that,Thinking there are a God) you are pushing the children away from your past abuse of the abuse to the child its that simple. (huh????) you had sex with the minor as per my linkage to the abuse as i said before risk of sexual abuse.( as a person could also be a risk of being a murder, a terrorist,a bank robber, a thief. You dont see those coming forward to tell they are just that, do you. Yet I am branded right out of conception, I am continually punished over and over for the same crime I paid for many times over, I get death threats and have been attacked,due to people taking the law into their own hands just on heresay and cops do jack shit about it. I really could understand all this shit, if that girl was 5 yrs old. we all,all know that most 15 yr olds are having sex and if not younger, MMMMMMMM ????. Why condemn me a 100 fold to something I admit I did wrong and Never frking happened ever a frking again,,,oppssss,I swore. wonder why ?.)
Some Pedo's hide their covers and tracks really well not to be court.
(What part of myself havnt you understood ?. when I say, I want to be in a """"COURT"""" room,Can I scream any louder ??????into your deaf ear ?.
but if i believed you i would support you no matter what,
(yeah!!!! right, I heard this story so many times before--someone should write a song about that.)
but your stories aren't to true as the facts change all the time,
(yeah-yeah, white girl, is that you have a hard concept to understand the truth when it pokes you in the eyes, That word Retard keeps popping up in my mind :) )
Your rights we're taken away the minute you violated the 15 yo old child and had sex with her,
( yaps, that word Retard,soz, cant help it, Retard.)
her child hood was taken away from her,
(her childhood was taking at age 5, and no retard, wasnt me.)
you pay the price for the crime you committed but you see . if you didn't do that things might have been different,
(if I didnt do that, I wouldnt be here, and I know for a fact, I would of had a family and continued with my life and try to be apart of society)
Again I say to you and all the others, Until you See with your own eyes, you all will be forever "Doubting Thomas".
People find it so hard to admit when they are so wrong and the words of sorry can not flow fast enough from their mouths.
(bugga, That is a good Quote :) )
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
RESPONSE TO SNIPER
if you we're a abused child in care and received abuse you know that know you can make a suit and sue the govt ? And like i said abuse come from all sources .. from police, lawyers, drs, dept (in some cases yes) but i tell you this dept don't even come close to a pedo in comparison to alleged abuse and while some dept workers are careless of their position's they still don't abuse kids intentionally maybe time restrictions and lack of educated carer's and not enough time and over worked all plays a part in why they fail sometimes :)
And if you we're abused child Sniper the dept have issues with pattens of abuse.
well like i said sometimes the dept do fail, when they are so over worked and under staffed and tend to make quick decisions that sometimes set people up to fail at times, this should never have happened this is a big failure, but maybe he has changed his ways and is a good citizen now in the eyes of the dept and they are the one making the decisions so only they know why they placed her back with him :)
Well that is sad they are taking laws in to their own hands should not happen but i will tell you this, terrorist and bank robbers don't happen to have a linkage or a chance they may sexually offend children do they Sniper? they are acts that are wrong and should be punished if it we're to happen, but you don't see the picture dept took your kids cause you had sex with a minor and there we're sustained risk to your children if you we're to carry out the sex with them. so they had to act in the best interest and welfare of your children at the time, you paid for it yes but the fact is they had to act for the children, if the children can't voice who is going to do it for them? the dept? see? and most children at 15 are having sex in some cases yes but that doesn't give you a open invertation to have sex with her, if you had sex with a 5 year old it is the same see she was 15 she was legally still a child under 16 regardless its child abuse.
Yes you want to be in the court Room i hear that, but i haven't seen you do it yet?
Maybe you could write the song LOL only Joking, i will support anyone telling the Truth.
Now you show your real colors like the dept say, when put in a stressful situation you snap :)
See you are showing what the dept are saying straight up, can't handle some form of criticism, you don't have to agree but you don't call people 'retards' just immature,
You like the Word Retard, well if it was taken at 5 years old you just violated her even more didn't you by having sex with her as a minor at 15 and its illegal as having sex with a child under 16 is child abuse Sniper sorry but it is.
Yes see if you had not had sex with this Girl you and your family would most likely be happy and content but as it never played out that way we will never know.
Yes but we are Yet to be Proven Wrong, if you show me with Documentation i will be the first to say sorry :)
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Docs = legal pedo, Docs will
Docs = legal pedo, Docs will mind frk a child,mind frk a mother and try to mind frk men.
Docs are they only group that will steal children,kill them and then blame the parent.
And if you we're abused child Sniper the dept have issues with pattens of abuse.
(not if I were, I was and still am to this very day and now to my kids, hows that for a pattern?.)
They are not over worked, just dont have any education to conduct traffic.
Well that is sad they are taking laws in to their own hands should not happen but i will tell you this, terrorist and bank robbers don't happen to have a linkage or a chance they may sexually offend children do they Sniper?
( how'd ya twist this?. if a man robs a bank, hes he ever allowed back into any bank?. if a terrorist blows up a building, is he ever allows near a building again?. thats also applies, to, If I stole items from K-mart, am I forever barred from K-mart ?.
If a man killed his wife and children, does 20 yrs jail, How come he can re marry and have kids?.)
When people do take that law into their own hands, nothing is done about it. Why ?. do I have to be murdered,before questions are asked?.
but you don't see the picture dept took your kids cause you had sex with a minor and there we're sustained risk to your children.
(yeah! right,Im the one that notify's them,that I got a family,docs are the ones that frked up big time, why take a 20 min new born to court for a placement and leave me out to die?. Should I not be the One taking to a court?.)Yes, My sons needed protection from Docs and Docs only.)
This is why, I cant move on. this is why I cant obtain this Justice, ALL you can do is just point out a one off, that never ever happened again,then twist it,to,im frking my kids....very logical, I must say, with no proof what so ever.) no wonder docs fabricate,they cant afford another mass frk up.)
Yes you want to be in the court Room i hear that, but i haven't seen you do it yet?
(oh plz, give me a frking KitKat, what is wrong with that brain of yours?. ya sure you have that elevator going to the roof or what ?.)( other then me placing a gun to a lawyers head. how else do you expect me to get into a court room?. no funds, no legal aid, no pro bono, no nothing.)
Maybe I should,write that song, and Im not joking. no, you wont support anyone speaking the truth, you need blood,your a doubting thomas.
Now you show your real colors like the dept say, when put in a stressful situation you snap :)
( got nothing to do with stress. got to do with people acting like a monkey, frustration that people like you, dont understand, metaphors or parables.)
Yes, I love that word RETARD, cause all Ive seen here, is how people twist it to suit their retarded thinking, or would you prefer if I just called you a gold fish ?.
you see, - If my son didnt die back in 97. you would be for naught.
Yes but we are Yet to be Proven Wrong, if you show me with Documentation i will be the first to say sorry :)
( you say you swim with a lawyer,and the best at it,concerning family laws. let that lawyer put their grubby hands on my documents,or you come for a trip up north and you read them and then come back to here, and tell it how it is. Dare ya) and I would never ever believe you will ever be sorry. to easy of a word for you to even state that here.
DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Sniper you are so far off the
Sniper you are so far off the mark about the dept, dept do not steal children or murder children or Mind games anyone, it is the parents own fault that they come to the eye of the dept in the first place you know? if there was no concerns they wouldn't be in that position in the first place. but not saying the dept don't fail at times they do, that is for sure and that is cause they are so over worked and understaffed etc
Because the patten of abuse is all in your head sniper, let me spell it out for you, you say you we're abused maybe you we're maybe you weren't, the dept are treating you unjust as you say but we all don't know for sure, you may be playing us here, the thing is your children we're removed and kept away from you rightfully so there was previous child abuse and they are still at risk of child abuse from you. there is a risk still hanging over you since you can't accept the responsibility you won't take given the circumstances around this whole case.
oh believe me they have tons of education, more than you ever will in any life time since you are a dole bludger that can't off his bum to even do a course, they work 5 days a week and they sure do know how to run the office day in day out.
Well People feel strong against what you have done, and my point still stands your explanation gives no meaning you are no bank robber no terrorist etc you we're a child abuse offender, and people have so many mixed feelings against that, and you won't find anyone to protect you for what you have done, it is child abuse clear cut, no excuses and don't try and give me examples the big picture is you abused a child under the age of 16 = child abuse.
Nah sniper the children needed to be protected from you and you only, you we're charged with having sex with a minor under the age of 16 that is child abuse, the dept acted in the best way possibly and removed the children that we're at risk of sexual abuse from you, hence a pattern of abuse could occur to them and I'm thankful they removed them at least they are safe and happy, and no risk of sexual abuse.
No dept never stuffed up, in this case they got it very right and that is true, there was substantiated risk of sexual abuse it is pretty simple to see.
Get a job working and pay a lawyer as you go, it is pretty simple how to get into that court room, but it is quiet clear you are full of it, always full of excuses there is always a way.
Nah i know the Truth
Nah Sniper you behavior is that predictable, you are what the dept say you snap for anything, any reason kinda .like a bomb waiting to go off at any stage, some one not stable.
You can call me any childish names you like, just reinforces me what the dept have already said about you,
Why would i want to waste my time on someone that is a child abuser and that is clear to me now?
Thankgod for the dept!
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DOCS = Death of children services
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Wow sniper you are back to
Wow sniper you are back to your old ways again calling people names. It is just so evident what the dept say about you is so very True. Instead of acting like any normal human being you act Like a uncivil Loony Instead of Taking Criticism and dealing with it in ways to cope and respond you dive off the deep end and attack people calling them names.
Calling People Retards isn't very Mature. and i wouldn't think someone like you would scoop the low actually i would but you think as a child might come across that you would refrain from saying things like that :)
you know a parent is suppose to be a role model to a child, they are a product of their environment, I'm sure as hell happy your ain't in your environment you are no role model :)
You Should be a role model for abusive Behavior and How to Harm a child :)
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I am here.
I am going crosseyed. Been on another sight with big brains and having to look up words and print out posts to even keep up. I am desperatly trying to understand how things work and learn fast. But anyway...
Sniper.
You have my sympathy, always have, I'm not going anywhere and whether you are angry, frustrated, hurt, pissed off, weeping or bleeding all over the place I am here.
You don't trust this but I don't need you to and I don't need you to like me.
I am here.
Your need to argue and defend yourself, although understandable, leads you to be baited again and again by others for their amusement.
I suspect if you keep it up you may find someone that can be of REAL help. I'm not telling you to stop defending yourself, I think the more you do it the closer you come to better and better arguements.
I would love it if you focused more on the delivery, the practise of convincing people and debating without leaving an opening.
See I like arguments, cheer me up no end but if something or someone is really important I will go from insulting, messing with someone, to really convincing them.
You, I feel, need to utterly convince and learn some skills to assist you.
I would really prefer you weren't in a strop because I said Happy Birthday.
Hey tomorr