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Submitted by DocSniper on Mon, 23/03/2009 - 07:18
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Whom from this state has had dealings with the department of child safety ?. and was/is being abused. Is it your child/ren and or Parent/s and families?
Are you innocent of any wrong doings as claims/manipulated by/from DOCS ?.
Have you had child/ren removed from a stable home.? and abused elsewhere ?.
Has the man of the house, been unfairly arrested ?. and removed from the home ?.
Has your relationship ended on the demands from this department.
Do you have a criminal record that this Department will twist and use against you ?.
Do you think your alone in all this ?.
Do you need a place to seek to obtain some form of advice and or help ?.
Then Phone 07-40582264 Speak with Angela and details will be giving to commence a Class Action. Many are in the same predicament .
If you have had no dealings with this department, as yet, http://www.aus-city.com/ubbthreads/ ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=1 2&page=1
then this is also a good place to learn to and obtain good advice.
Also visit this site and join to be a voice. If no one speaks up, This department will continue to Abuse our child/ren and destroy our families
http://apps.facebook.com/causes/...
Do not think you will be immune to this, it is just one phone call away,That's all it takes.
This department is Accountable, For Abusing,manipulation,Stand over tactics,Unprofessional conduct,File tampering and Personal involvement.
Do not hesitate, Do not have fear to complain to be heard in a court of law and to have this Department Accountable for their unprofessional Conduct. Please stand up and be counted, Please be a voice to save our children and our families from this Corruption.
I encourage and employ you to visit this site. and to phone the above number, It could save your family/marriage and your wallet.
May god be with you.
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'violence to a parent is also abusive to the child of t parent'
Hello,
I am interested in the issue of domestic violence as some of the long time posters would be aware of.
have a look at this if interested-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkMBuo15gSM
Women are starting to rally together across this country with the aim of safer family laws.
1. primary focus on safe outcomes for children takes precedence over 'time spent' principles, especially in cases where D.V. and or child abuse is raised; and such matters being raised must be investigated.
2. Recognition that violence to a parent is also abusive to the child of that parent.
(google Prof. Cathy Humphries as she writes excellent material on this topic)
3. a new, discrete unit is formed within FCA to carefully manage investigation of cases where these matters are raised.
4. all professionals responding to family separation in FCA, including mental health professionals, judges and legal experts in the field advising/ representing clients, musst receive continuing accredited training in D.V. and child abuse.
5. Family (including children) or contributing professionals' concerns suggesting D.V and child abuse require that all evidence held by any governmental, police, law, medical and or other agencies pertaining to the parties' and children' well-bing must be sought out an dincluded for review by this new FCA special unit; and
6. that these records be connected on central police and court systems at local, state and federal levels, and
7. if, on the balance of probabilities, D.V./ abuse patterns are found to exist or to be likely to exist, then any contact orders/ agreements must detail how children's safety is to be supported and if such D.V/ abuse patterns are considered on expert opinion to be likely to strongly endanger childrens' physical security or psychological health, then even occasional contact iwth the offending parent or parents may be disallowed as safe, and;
8. in such cases the primary focus on safe outcomes for children must include plans for recovery from such trauma in parenting agreements or orders, and merely the passage of time should not be taken to suggest such D.V/ abuse patterns will be reduced or stop causing harm to the child, and;
9. checks and balances are put in place to review FCA ordres remain safe over time; and
10. that 'blanket secrecy' laws be altered to allow more free speech and media and academic review regarding the Family Law Act, FCA, DHS and DOCS culture.
Many states across Australia had forums and speakers on this matter held on Labour Day.
Queensland didn't have such a forum. Before docs ever got involved in our lives I said and enquired about starting up a group 'South East Queensland Sole Mother's Support Group'. I was going to register it as an in- corporated business through Dept of Fair Trading. I spoke to some women in NSW and VIC. There is nothing like this in South East Q'ld at this time.
It would be a huge project to undertake with the aim to be a social venue, and to be a (political) voice for the (sole mothers) women in Queensland. ??One day??
I do see problems with some of the above points that have been raised (so don't think I fully condone it all).
reply to : our child a ...
The "stepfather" of Baby P is facing a life sentence after he was convicted of raping a two-year-old girl.
The 32-year-old was found guilty at the Old Bailey of attacking the girl - who was on the Haringey at-risk register - after she gave evidence at the court, the youngest person ever to do so.
The north London borough's social workers also failed to save Baby P - who can now be known as Peter - from a tortuous death at the hands of the man, Peter's 27-year-old mother and lodger Jason Owen, 36.
http://news.aol.co.uk/toddler-rapist-faces-life-term/article/20090502003...
in this same story page there is a story (and this is in the UK by the way) there is a story of the man killed by his friends2 dogs, here in canada i believe the name of the person and where they lived or the area would have been posted in the news story also,
(cant find the url right now, but this one is as bad, what about the unborn baby?, commodity right in as many way shapes and forms as you can imagine)
A British lawyer has arrived in Laos hoping to delay the trial of a pregnant woman from south London who could face death by firing squad if she is convicted of drug smuggling.
http://news.aol.co.uk/briton-held-in-laos-to-see/article/200905020924186...
so I noticed the child's PRIVACY not being kept, matter of fact is this not going down in history as the youngest child to step into a courtroom to give what? verbal, oral eveidence. to what? point and say thats him?
I thought the courts try to keep children protected from that?
I do not see the reason so much then for the privacy laws on this when they dont make sence.
"Children's Services" whatever you call them, they go by many names depending on the area,
they went and posted these 2 boys who were abducted by a pedophile, they had all the info on his history and they made this alert. I have to question the amber alert and the balance of the privacy in place.
Where is the privacy boundaries and when do they actually need to do that? just when they take children from their parents? I dont belive we are getting the full story of how prevalent this is and who is tending this to see that it is fair? who keeps all the stats in this area, accepted by all? surely in canada it isnt the fraser instittue for the famiy?
DocSniper
Hi Sniper..
I have read your story and feel for you so much..
Truth is Docs do destroy families this much i know..
But you need to Move and try and get a new life, or try and fight really hard for your Kids , don't you think they deserve to know their Dad? Do it for them.
I Have read your Stories... Corruption if i ever did see it... have you seen your son since his birth when they took him at 20 mins old?
Also don't bother about Talking to Jewely and Graham they know each other and email each other.. and i can tell you this they talked about you.. and called you not so many nice words.. you should join a site called Power 4 parents www.power4parents.org
Wild Flower
*Our Ears Should Hear Every Child's Cry, But They Don't*
To Help or Make a Donation please go to the ACT website and follow Instructions
http://www.abusedchildtrust.com.au
doc sniper is my friend, I am relieved to see real help
we all knoow when we get a real answer.
its so painful to read here people's pain of loss
I have it too
but gee, sometimes there are nice people, just a scattering here and there
like chinsey gardener not wanting to waste seeds, so few
I love my friend doc sniper and feel so helpless to
even find words here and there, and agonize
knowing it, that I am powerless (a reminder of my own)
I only can bear glimpses, it is a very personal thing
this thing, these chains are a dominion, a power, an entity even if you will
it has an agenda and it works thru people who want to harm others, sometimes for simply as little as disliking them and for private sport
us who are under this gloom fighting to get out from under it
we are the ones, seemingly wasting our lives away whining and causing others to think we are the scum of the earth, when in fact we (are hurt beyond believ we shouldnt be alive)
who were done wrong was simply for an economic purpose to quell our competition whereever, this is nothing new
what we fight wars over
what reality is
Docs personality is such that he tends to get on people with some things, but that isnt to say each and everyone of us is the same
some people just get singled out, he may be here, like I said not read all, but know those mob practices, been and still am under it too)but who cares if he esome not so cheering fans, but mob
BUT to me, it is those people that I see ministering to him,
Puttting aside his weaknesses in socially accepted attributes, they give him such good advice, I saw two of them
ITS because of you that we are able to hang on, thats the truth here
thanks for helping my brother docsniper
Sniper is a perfect example
Sniper is a perfect example of corrupt govt dept.. but everyone is here to help him as much as we can,
advise, an ear to listen, etc just being there helps :)
*Our Ears Should Hear Every Child's Cry, But They Don't*
To Help or Make a Donation please go to the ACT website and follow Instructions
http://www.abusedchildtrust.com.au
Wild Child your wrong- Graham
Wild Child
If you wish to be a friend to this person you will tell him to get off his bum and conduct himself in a manner to be a good example for his eldest son- + others at least.
You are not helping by listening to his pathetic ned to lean on someone else and his shear the world owes me cries.
I have seen people without legs work and do a darn good job!
One lady from NZ I employed helped buy a special needs ended up being my number one team leader.
But dont let me stop you from waiting your time dear.
Perhaps for whatever reason you need to think you are helping people.
I will give you a little tip= There are plenty of deserving ones out there
Have a nice day young lady
Graham
Graham
IF You we're to read my
IF You we're to read my post's some of it, i tell him he has to move on and get on with life and seek help its out there he just has to find the right person for help.
But you see i can understand why he is so angry and frustrated.. you would too.. if you we're told you couldn't see your KIDS EVER! and you we're branded a 'pedophile' or a Kid Frker as 'DOCSNIPER' would put it.
Would you be calm and Happy.. NO i don't think so.. accusations like that can brand a innocent person for life and destroy lives.
Just Like his Is, you heard him he has basically no friends and i gave him advise to go and meet people and try and move on etc
but the thing is .. about work .. he said he is in the DSP Pension cause he was injured.
But i get what you are saying about the Working with people with special needs and the Job part is up to Sniper if he can handle being in different types work and you got to think his criminal history will prevent him from getting some jobs too you know.. he is branded a Pedophile and went to jail for having sex with that 16 yo old Girl and Break and enters etc people don't like employing people like that, also its his choice. you can only suggest after all he is the one living his life.
Wild Flower
*Our Ears Should Hear Every Child's Cry, But They Don't*
To Help or Make a Donation please go to the ACT website and follow Instructions
http://www.abusedchildtrust.com.au
Doesnt want to work IMO Young lady wild child
IF You we're to read my
*IF You we're to read my post's some of it, i tell him he has to move on and get on with life and seek help its out there he just has to find the right person for help.*
Yes you seem to have some direction at least. Credit for that
*But you see i can understand why he is so angry and frustrated.. you would too.. if you we're told you couldn't see your KIDS EVER! and you we're branded a 'pedophile' or a Kid Frker as 'DOCSNIPER' would put it.*
Young woman, He is NOT on the pedoplile list.A
Pls do not compare me with this person.- ‘thanks’
*Would you be calm and Happy.. NO i don't think so.. accusations like that can brand a innocent person for life and destroy lives.*
You are allowing yourself to be played I might suggest. His 7 week son died of sids 2 years ago, and he had 2 broken ribs, so what. It’s a play for attention.
*Just Like his Is, you heard him he has basically no friends*
Is it any wonder.
*and i gave him advise to go and meet people and try and move on etc *
Then speak ‘louder’ my dear, because he`s NOT listening-
simply feeding off attention and showing ZERO concern for Lukes Army, and what Lukes Dad is trying to achieve IMO
*but the thing is .. about work .. he said he is in the DSP Pension cause he was injured.*
I do grow up young lady He’s able to do volunteer work at least!
*But I get what you are saying about the Working with people with special needs and the Job part is up to Sniper if he can handle being in different types work and you got to think his criminal history will prevent him from getting some jobs too you know.. he is branded a Pedophile and went to jail for having sex with that 16 yo old Girl and Break and enters etc people don't like employing people like that, also its his choice. you can only suggest after all he is the one living his life.*
Nonsense wild child you are gullible- I repeat he`s NOT on the P list and the B=Es were years ago.
People are looking for staff and there are plenty of courses also available to him- once again for FREE
He does not WANT a job.
Anyway some of us DO work so my posts will be -- at times from here on end.
Take care of yourself Young Child
Graham
Thanks for the Credit, Where
Thanks for the Credit, Where it is Due,
i Never Compared you to Sniper, i said Imagine if you we're in His Shoes that is all... and i know he may not be on the list but when paperwork and govt papers get handed around 'statements' and allegations are passed on to other govern bodies etc i know he is not on the register, but he does have the charge behind him of the 16 yo Girl.
I Know with other people dealing with this dept they tend to loose friends or alienate them due to the ongoing saga with the dept and it is always about dept and ppl get sick of hearing that,
I Can't say anything to Sniper any Clearer or Louder as i said it straight to the point and if he don't listen and take advise that is only his own fault,
What do you mean about him feeding off Lukes Dad? and Attention, I don't understand that or maybe i missed something? But i mean at all one matter of a time everyone here that has dealt with dept seem to try and outshine everyone Else's involvement
Yeah i do agree, He could volunteer but again its up to him to get off his bum and do it if he wants to, but only he can do that and its up too him at the end.
But i know this Young Lady that suffers from a mental illness and she completed a course in aged care and got first aid and Cpr all free for her and now she is Working and I'm so proud of her!
But courses could be a Option for him, If He really Wants too.. :)
Wild Flower
*Our Ears Should Hear Every Child's Cry, But They Don't*
To Help or Make a Donation please go to the ACT website and follow Instructions
http://www.abusedchildtrust.com.au
Yes, Imagine if you were.....
i know he is not on the register( So does Docs),
but he does have the charge behind him of the 16 yo Girl.
(and ?. how many times must I pay for it ?. 8 yrs out of Prison, wheres a re_offense committed, wheres a track record of committing that same offense?. to warrant that removal of my Son's and the ripping away of the partner/s. To, I have to be held accountable everyday of my life for what I did wrong ?. when you and others Say, Sniper, you have to move on and when I try and I do, the first anyone does is bring up that past to murder my future. How Hypocritical.
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
The reason it is Brought up
The reason it is Brought up is cause you KEEP playing on it and saying because of this and that etc and you can't get friends cause of this etc and you can't have a family cause of this etc Its time to wake up and Smell the Roses Sniper.
You either start Fresh today or Give up.
You May have not re committed the offense with a minor but the dept had every right to take the child into care given your past record until it would be proven over time you would not re commit could you Imagine in the dept's head if they did not act conservatively and removed your child and their was harmed cause to them the guilt they would feel? and they have a job to protect a child at risk of harm and it doesn't matter how the harm is caused.
I'm Be brutally Honest here, i would have removed your child rightfully known you had sex with a minor as put it this way the child was at risk of sexual abuse given the past history .. you know? but now there has been no more show's that people can change.
*Our Ears Should Hear Every Child's Cry, But They Don't*
To Help or Make a Donation please go to the ACT website and follow Instructions
http://www.abusedchildtrust.com.au
Go to the top of the class Wild child- but?
*The reason it is Brought up is cause you KEEP playing on it and saying because of this and that etc and you can't get friends cause of this etc and you can't have a family cause of this etc Its time to wake up and Smell the Roses Sniper.*
*You either start Fresh today or Give up.*…
*I'm Be brutally Honest here, I would have removed your child rightfully known you had sex with a minor as put it this way the child was at risk of sexual abuse given the past history .. You know? But now there has been no more show's that people can change.*
Wild Child – Well Spoken --------------------------about time.
I would like to ad one thing –
Don’t you think in view of what you just said, it is not unreasonable, then to expect the Governments to have a blue card for parents BEFORE having them?
Because had that been the case then nothing like this case could have happened in the first place.
Of course, I am not saying, some wouldn’t slip through the cracks- but at least we would have some standards required, rules, RECORDS of minor offences
. People doing courses ‘before’ getting pregnant. Does that not more sense? It wouldn’t mean if you had a past you couldn’t parents t parent - just that you must attend counselling-to prove you were ok now.
Can we truly say its fair to allow and even ENCOURAGE people to have a child, children-..? Only to THEN say- Oh sorry we just found out you did something in the past that we don’t approve of—so we are taking your kids—don’t think your good mum or dad material.
Is that fair on the children or the parents? What If they HAVE rehabilited.
I have a theory, that if the Government made it LAW, to have a blue card for parenting to all expecting mums and dads… including asset test drug tests etc... There would be a lot less junkies walking the streets.
Having kids seems to be an ego thing to most men, and an instinct to women. Mighty powerful tools Mr Rudd to clean up this country as much as possible and save some lives.
It`s time the State Department of Children’s safety and the Federal Government + ALL Senators passed some laws in this country to earn their high wages.
What sort of Government encourages junkies unemployed, people with serious sexual criminal backgrounds to have children--- Then to come along years later and say- No sorry we are taking these kids because it says here, you may not be suitable to parents children. That is not fair on anybody.
DOCS need to do more to edit people before allowing them to have children in the first place.
THEN and only then may we begin to even look like we care about children.
Its called a blue card to have children in the first place.
I am sure the tax payers who foot the bills would also welcome it.
Graham
Graham i Totally agree with
Graham i Totally agree with the Blue card
To Make Govt and other people aware of people with such offenses and if they do pose a risk they would be aware of the person in mention and try to restrict them having any contact with that child.
I also think the govt should make it mandatory to do RANDOM DRUG TEST AT ANY TIME,
Also agree the dept have failed parents being parents when they let them slip through the fingers and allowing them to have the kids and at the start they we're okay to parent but now they are not suitable that needs to change.
the govt needs to change the child protection system and give it a proper review. so many things need to change.
*Our Ears Should Hear Every Child's Cry, But They Don't*
To Help or Make a Donation please go to the ACT website and follow Instructions
http://www.abusedchildtrust.com.au
To Joanne from Graham
To Joanne from Graham
*Hello, I too have had my own personal history slammed at me by caseworkers!! *
Goday to you- Well in part I guess that is their job..
*,Im also a druggie (which I have never ever done in my entire life) but they have it all in "black & white"according to there "information"*
Quite simply you are entitled to do a FYO of heir Docs. You may benefit by seeking private council ( lawyer) to do a discovery of their files.
You may be present at hat meeting and gain copies to any information you choose.
Yourself can request ALL information regarding this information they ‘claim’ to hold. – and take it from there.
.* What point is there in me trying to defend myself?*
Yourself and your child I should think.
* I am currently seperated from my husband & son because it was what DOCS said was in the best interest of the kids.*
So your husband has the children yes?
* I live with my daughter now here because I have nowhere to live!*
Well at least you are with family .
*! Docs thinks its the best decision to seperate until my kids have counselling!! blah blah blah*
You don’t say why DOCS Said they attended in the first place- hard to comment.
I want to start a support network here in Bexley,NSW where we can meet up, and have discussions, be voices, be heard, change legislation,educate others, stand up for whats right, minimise risks of emotional abuse by governing bodies..Any ideas, support would greatly be appreciated..
That sounds like a good idea. Happy to help with contacts for funding and support people. It would just be a kick off with no involvement my end. You’d have to email me through the contact on the forum site.
Good to see you also thinking of others.
Hope things improve for you- stay positive
Best wishes
Graham
My Story
My son 14(y) was convicted of attempted sexual assault on my daughter (7y)in October 2008.Prior to this incident my son was having behavioural issues at school. In May,2007 we arrived in Sydney,he started school in June07 was not coping academically in August07. Started jigging school in August,was suspended in Sept,Oct,Nov and during this time he had also runaway 3 times.In Sept 07 I contacted Docs to ask for resources to assist me with my son who was struggling with school,hanging out with mates who were NOT the sort he wouldve normally hung out with.Docs call centre advised me to contact a couple of Youth Counsellors who would be able to help us with my son.Well my son ran away the day before his apt with the counsellor,his father and I pounded the pavements day & night looking for him with no luck.3 days later he was bought home by the police as he was caught tagging at 2.30AM,so he never got the assistance that may have helped.*Cautioned by Police*Oct 07 he ran away again the same day he was suspended from school for "defiant behaviour" towards the teacher,I got him home that day and he ran away this time he was missing for a week, same as the first time bought home by the police this time found in a Spacey parlour *Cautioned by Police*.Again I rang Docs and begged for help with my son as the talking, disciplining wasnt doing any good for him he wasnt listening to us.Docs then again referred me to online resources that could be useful for my son!!In Nov07 you guessed it my son run away again this time with his 16 year old cousin (Girl) we had let them go to the pools as a reward and yip runaway. This time it was longer,he was away for at least 3weeks.His cousin was also found and we sent her back to NZ.Rang Docs again,basically told to "control my son"and ring us again when he runs away again.In Dec 07 I made the decision to move from Bankstown to Wolli Creek,if I couldnt change the environment my son was living in,at least I could take him out it!In January 08 my son was obviously having withdrawls from his peers,so he decided to steal our car,take our credit cards & cash and go meet his mates to show off!!Car was located 1 week later,with no child!!however he was found 3 days after the car, picked up by Central police station at another Arcade!!I would not collect him from the Station,I advised Police to contact Docs as I have asked for help with my son many of times and never got it.If I showed my son "tough love" maybe he might come to his senses.Docs did pick him up & rang me at 9am that morning to come in & collect him,I advised Docs that we were totally exhausted with his behaviour and we needed time out from him until we could sort out "what our son needed".He was placed in Temp Care for 3 months (Feb08),2 hrs after arriving at his temp care residence he ran away,in the care of "Caregivers" found by police & returned to temp care residence.2 days later he ran away again,then found again.
During this time my son has had no counselling,no assistance whatsoever in trying to tackle what the issues are within himself.In May 08 my son was returned back to our home and started to get back on track,was enrolled into a new school,started behaviour programs,and was doing really well until Oct08 when the incident occured.
I have asked for help constantly for my son since 2007,if we had received the "early intervention" help then maybe this incident may not have happened?I have been placed in such a vulnerable situation in having to choose between my two children and Docs does not make it easy AT ALL!!My son was incarcerated for 3 months,released on bail with conditions & AVO for 2 years.His conditions are:Be of good Behaviour,Appear in Court if requested to do so,As directed by Juvenile Justice.Thats all his conditions are.
He hasnt lived at home since October 08,due to the circumstances,however he has been and still is receiving counselling.My daughter on the other hand hasnt yet received counselling due to CPU,Docs having issues with us letting the children see each other,according to Child Protection Unit,they will not counsel victims who regularly have interaction with the accused.Docs will no longer support my son and basically said if my daughter & I didnt leave the home then they would take my daughter out of my care!!My son & husband were staying in a Motel,then Docs said "no were not paying anymore" which then forced me to make the decision to leave home with my daughter and ring homeless peoples sheltar for a roof over our heads!!For 1 week we slept in a Motel,for the past 3 weeks I have been staying at my aunts,(she does not know the full story,and no one in our families know what has happended in Oct08)there house has sold so in 1 wks time we are left homeless again.Ive applied to Housing NSW for housing and Im still waiting.However the treatment by Docs has been unjust right from the start.We are hardworking parents who just want to provide for our kids.We dont do drugs never have,dont drink alcohol,dont abuse our children and yet we are the ones being victimised,ordered to jump when they say jump because we have no "choices" when it comes to helping BOTH my kids...They have and currently are investigating my upbringing *hence the accusations about me (first post)* because according to Docs they need a "full history" pfft whatever.So where Im at now is frustrated,angry and basically "held by the balls" because they have all the "information" I really do want to sue Docs not just for self satisfaction,but "Justice for All" not all families,parents & kids are bad!Everyone needs to be listened too,we have not been!!
Im exhausted with all that has happened and sometimes feel whats the use??Of course its my kids and the strong support of my husband that sort of gets me through this..
*Graham whats FYO?*
Joanne Gee Wiz, from Graham
Joanne
Gee Wiz, Where to start- without offending.
First I can see your exhausted - which I hope explains your ideas that you should Sue DOCS..
I know that makes sense to you but its not good logic to hold them to blame for the fact you cant run your own household.
I am just wondering what his Dad has done about this kids going ons.
Yes I understand in this new age of good doers these kids think they can run wild- sue the parents- etc.
I know what I would have do with this kid that`s for sure. Ok but we are supposed to be helping. Lets see what we might be able to look at that has been overlooked
. We are looking to go back pls to when this difficult behaviour first commenced.
Before you reply to me I want you to sit quietly with a cup of tea and think.
Go back to him as a little boy,- keep going until you remember you noticed his tricks really getting out of hand. We are looking for that fall out of the tree or off the bike.
Looking for old injuries first.
I have helped a lady with an adopted child for many years. Same pattern- just a hunch. It might be that Dad didn’t kick him up the arse enough or mum spoilt him—but lets look for the obvious that may have been overlooked ok
. *Started jigging school* Good heavens I haven’t heard that expression in a long time.
We used to have an old copper that sorted a few kids and kids of those kids out for jigging.
• I contacted Docs to ask for resources to assist me with my son who was struggling with school, hanging …*
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• I am sorry but I will ever get it people think the Government owe us to pay for ‘our children...
*Again I rang Docs and begged for help with my son as the talking, disciplining wasnt doing any good for him he wasnt listening to us.Docs then again referred me to online resources that could be useful for my son!*
Um , so by this time DOCS had two calls from the parents basically saying we cant control our son- go on
*I would not collect him from the Station,I advised Police to contact Docs as I have asked for help with my son many of times and never got it.*
So this time you abandoned a minor- your Son – in their eyes.
*If I showed my son "tough love" maybe he might come to his senses*
Yes I can see why you did it to frighten him.
.Docs did pick him up & rang me at 9am that morning to come in & collect him,I advised Docs that we were totally exhausted with his behaviour and we needed time out from him until we could sort out "what our son needed"
*.He was placed in Temp Care for 3 months* That’s a pretty long break in DOCS eyes probably. Do you fully understand this costs a great deal of money?
*During this time my son has had no counselling,no assistance whatsoever in trying to tackle what the issues are within himself.*
You mean nobody talked to him for the three months he was in they? I would be stunned if that were the case TBO.
*In May 08 my son was returned back to our home and started to get back on track,was enrolled into a new school,started behaviour programs,and was doing really well until Oct08 when the incident occured.*
Could we be looking at drugs here?
*I have asked for help constantly for my son since 2007,if we had received the "early intervention" help then maybe this incident may not have happened?*
Sorry but I don’t see it quite like that. They had him twelve weeks , but you his parents have had him for life.
Has he been abused sexually himself? Think? It’s sounding like a po9ssibilty he’s acting out on what’s happened to him TBO. Something’s wrong that’s for sure.
*.My daughter on the other hand hasnt yet received counselling due to CPU,Docs having issues with us letting the children see each other,according to Child Protection Unit,they will not counsel victims who regularly have interaction with the accused*
There is no reason you could not have taken just HER to lifeline or centre care counselling- or asked your GP for a referral to…. A child phycologist all paid for again by the public . ITS FREE on medicare
So I am just wondering why you didn’t haven’t? If she has not had counselling you she should have it now.. There`s nothing stopping you. She` s your child.
*Docs will no longer support my son *
What do you mean by this please? In which way would you like them to support him?
*and basically said if my daughter & I didn’t leave the home then they would take my daughter out of my care!*
Um, basically- based on?
DOCS have a duty to protect ALL children and if they had report of one abuse against your daughter they DO have a duty to protect HER. GEEZ where`s your husband- what is he doing! Come on sweety, you calling DOCS like you were single.
Why is this all coming down on you! Its his place to control your Son as head of the house. Sorry but you did ask my opnion.
*My son & husband were staying in a Motel,then Docs said "no were not paying anymore"*
How long did they pay for it?
*which then forced me to make the decision to leave home with my daughter and ring homeless peoples sheltar for a roof over our heads!&*
Do you not have any family or friends?
How did your Son feel about that?
Was he happy to remain with his Dad?
*!For 1 week we slept in a Motel,for the past 3 weeks I have been staying at my aunts,(she does not know the full story,and no one in our families know what has happended in Oct08)there house has sold so in 1 wks time we are left homeless again*
I understand why you not thinking clearly. You need some head scans blood tests done to look for a reason for his behaviour first--
If nothing is found--
Perhaps you could send your son off to boys town or someplace similar- cattle stations are doing great things working with some kids—Just a thought.
Stick out there for a year and if he runs away he has plenty of area with nothing and nowhere to go… He will soon return to the camp trust me. Father Oreily might have a programme he could attend. Do you or your husband work?
*.Ive applied to Housing NSW for housing and Im still waiting*
Graham
Graham
*blame for the fact you cant run your own household.*
I am not blaming Docs for the way my family situation has turned out,and I have not made them accountable for my sons behaviour.
*I am just wondering what his Dad has done about this kids going ons*
Dad works 12hrs daily,6 days a week to provide the necessities in life.We are not a family who relies on tax payers to foot our living.Dad comes from the old school,"let the mother deal with it,and when the going gets tough"a good swift kick up the backside never killed anyone.It was his father and I who pounded the pavements in search of this kid when he ran away,its his father who coached the footy team,and went on camp trips.We tried the grounding him,no football,no tv,no ps2."THAT DIDNT WORK"
*I am sorry but I will ever get it people think the Government owe us to pay for ‘our children*
My tax paying $$$ should account for "some sort of advice at least?"Im not asking for $$ I asked for help,that costs nothing.
*Um , so by this time DOCS had two calls from the parents basically saying we cant control our son- go on*
YES
*So this time you abandoned a minor- your Son – in their eyes*
YES - I chose the "tough love stance"
*He was placed in Temp Care for 3 months* That’s a pretty long break in DOCS eyes probably. Do you fully understand this costs a great deal of money?*
Everything in todays society costs money.I am very aware of costs involved in sourcing accommodation for children.
*You mean nobody talked to him for the three months he was in they? I would be stunned if that were the case TBO*
Prepare to be stunned,no counselling,no schooling either.Just outings to sports events,theme parks,and supermarket shopping with carers.
*Could we be looking at drugs here?*
When he ran away the second time and come back, I took him to the hospital to have drug testing done,results come back with minimal tracings of Marijuana.When he was questioned by Social Workers at the hospital weather he had taken or is doing drugs his reply was "I had a puff,it made me sick and dizzy,I threw up and never had another try again".
To my knowledge and several medical checks my son is drug free,alcohol free.
*Sorry but I don’t see it quite like that. They had him twelve weeks , but you his parents have had him for life*
He has never had problems or issues "HIS WHOLE LIFE".
*Has he been abused sexually himself? Think? It’s sounding like a po9ssibilty he’s acting out on what’s happened to him TBO. Something’s wrong that’s for sure*
He has never been sexually abused,physically or verbally abused that I am aware of.As per his Psychologist/Counsellor Report,he is experiencing "Grief Loss".His Grandfather in 2000,and loss of his Grandmother in 2006.He was very very close to both grandparents,and we as his parents just assumed he was coping with the loss.How wrong we were.
*There is no reason you could not have taken just HER to lifeline or centre care counselling- or asked your GP for a referral to…. A child phycologist all paid for again by the public . ITS FREE on medicare
So I am just wondering why you didn’t haven’t? If she has not had counselling you she should have it now.. There`s nothing stopping you. She`s your child.*
Incident happened 26 Oct 08,JIRT investigation took 3wks before a decision was made to prosecute.Counselling was not mentioned whilst the investigation was still pending.In mid Nov a call from CPU to arrange a session time in Dec for my daughter.We attended 1 session and was told by counsellor she would contact me back to arrange another time. 13th Dec my daughter goes to Queensland for holiday (as planned prior to incident).Daughter comes back February 09.Cannot take a person to counselling when they are not here physically,yeah? Anyway contact was made by me in Feb09 to restart counselling,counsellor away 2 weeks no replacement told to ring back in 2 weeks.Rang in March09 to be told that counselling would not commence until my husband and I gave our word that my children will not see each other,and will not live together. We didnt make a decision then,so Docs made it for us last month.And utilising other services you have mentioned,CPU are the only counsellors that my daughter can deal with (according to Docs).I rang places like Barnados.Anglican Care,Youthline services who advised that because she was working with CPU already that they could not come on board and interfare with the service that my daughter was already receiving.
*GEEZ where`s your husband- what is he doing! Come on sweety, you calling DOCS like you were single.Why is this all coming down on you! Its his place to control your Son as head of the house. Sorry but you did ask my opnion*
Yes I do agree & disagree.Firstly its always a "Mothers Perogative" to sort out the issues.Yes?-No? its always Mum that the teacher rings Yes?-No?its always Mum the kids want when theyre sick Yes?-No?Mums always seem to be the first choice in society,so as a mum I have a duty to do just that. Yes Dad could be alot more supporting,but I think he sees me as being the "bull at the gate" so to speak,and I will sort it,where as he just keeps quiet lets me fight/defend & protect my kids on my own.He is a good father,husband and provider.
*My son & husband were staying in a Motel,then Docs said "no were not paying anymore"*How long did they pay for it?*
7 days
*I understand why you not thinking clearly. You need some head scans blood tests done to look for a reason for his behaviour first--
If nothing is found.*
Why do I need head scans & blood tests done for me? to test his behavioural needs? I dont follow this comment
*Perhaps you could send your son off to boys town or someplace similar- cattle stations are doing great things working with some kids—Just a thought.*
Places like Boystown in Engadine,New Pathways in Suttons Forest would not accept my son into there programmes,(as per my story page).I have tried many other places too but he keeps getting refused 1,age 2,convicted 3,high risk.
*Do you or your husband work?*
Yes he works full time,I work part time
Hope this clarifies alot of things
Thanks
Joanne . from Graham
Joanne .
*I am not blaming Docs for the way my family situation has turned out,and I have not made them accountable for my sons behaviour*.
May I suggest to you dear, you look at your last post to me. You were going to Sue them- remember?
*Dad works 12hrs daily,6 days a week to provide the necessities in life.We are not a family who relies on tax payers to foot our living.*
Well then it is an honour to exchange posts with you.
*Dad comes from the old school,"let the mother deal with it,and when the going gets tough"a good swift kick up the backside never killed anyone.*
Good but does he do it/ Because your family needs strong male leadership now.
You had best make hat clear to him. Back of and be the little lady for a while. ALLOW him to handle this. OK.. You know what I mean..
."THAT DIDNT WORK"= Ok I hear you.
*I am sorry but I will ever get it people think the Government owe us to pay for ‘our children*
*My tax paying $$$ should account for "some sort of advice at least?"Im not asking for $$ I asked for help,that costs nothing*
Well I wont go into that again. Lets look for answers instead.
*Um , so by this time DOCS had two calls from the parents basically saying we cant control our son- go on*
YES
*So this time you abandoned a minor- your Son – in their eyes*
YES - I chose the "tough love stance"
Good move!
*Everything in todays society costs money.I am very aware of costs involved in sourcing accommodation for children.*
Yes and after all they did take him for 12 weeks and also paid a motel for a week.
Let him take the boy to the hospital. You stay home.
Its time!
So lets agree I hope you were just at the end of our wits and you know realise you have no grounds to sue.
*Prepare to be stunned,no counselling,no schooling either.Just outings to sports events,theme parks,and supermarket shopping with carers.*
Question = How was he when he was there? Was he good? Did he muck up?
*Could we be looking at drugs here?*
*minimal tracings of Marijuana.*
Um , how old is he again? 14?
* I am aware of.As per his Psychologist/Counsellor Report,he is experiencing "Grief Loss".His Grandfather in 2000,and loss of his Grandmother in 2006.He was very very close to both grandparents,and we as his parents just assumed he was coping with the loss.How wrong we were.*
Look don’t put much faith in psychologists imo and councillors. They need to justify their pay packet. This kids got some serious problems and its only one of 2 things. Yeh, I am sure he misses his Nan and Pa. That’s got to be compounding his problem-
*Why do I need head scans & blood tests done for me? to test his behavioural needs? I dont follow this comment*
SMILE, you really are in a state arn~. I’m sorry for smiling at you dear. I wasn’t referring to you- but your Son.
Now your starting to make ME cross with DOCS! They should know the first thing to do is to get a brain scan to look for tumour and blood test to detect any medical reason for a complete change in behaviour- so should you.’
There is a logical explanation for why your son is acting out. This also includes needing far more ‘quality time’ from his Dad. ………..``````````
I have seen a close friend of mine for years screaming for help having the SAME problems with her adopted daughter. Car stealing armed hold up- and on the works!
Detention centres then goal and on…
She said the child changed when she was Ten years of age. She fell out of a tree and hit her head. Everybody said she was MAD
Finally, finally it was shown to be the cause. Problem was it was let go so long…. Shes in prison as we speak again!
Sometimes they can fix it- others not. At least you could eliminate the causes one by one……
DO(CS should have listened to do and ordered test with your approval while he was with them.
You should have thought of it as well ….. not picking.
*Incident happened 26 Oct 08,JIRT investigation took 3wks before a decision was made to prosecute. Counselling was not mentioned whilst the investigation was still pending*
Your trying to do to much. Your husband needs to become more involved. He and You should have just done it. Stuff waiting for them! She`s your child.
I am NOT picking but again it was up to you to get her to a phyc.
.*I rang places like Barnados.Anglican Care,Youthline services who advised that because she was working with CPU already that they could not come on board and interfare with the service that my daughter was already receiving.*
Ok so here is what you do. You go to your family GP and take her. Get a letter from him saying she needs urgent attention-
In the end you may have to admit him into the care of mental health. Make sure you ask for scans and stay in contact.
*Hope this clarifies a lot of things
Thanks*
Yes it does and you sound like a nice lady doing her best. At times we need to save ourselves before we can help others.
Take a long bath and a cuppa and get a good night sleep.
You might have to tell some other family member you need a place for a month
Can you do that?
Your sounding far more sensible- Just remember its not your fault. I am NOT convinced at all its not drugs
Take him to the hospital and commit him- other wise you will go mad yourself.
You might be surprised to find they sort it out.’ That way you can go home and take your girl
Tell your hubby we need a lot more from Dad. Bringing the money home IS important but its only part of his responsibilities as a father
Let him take the boy to the hospital. You stay home.
Its time!
Graham
Just butting in again.
Okay Graham as usual, in your way, you make some good points about Joannes situation.
But where her situation stands right now is that the department has stated her two children can not live in the same home. Yeah?
But the only thing offerred/threatened is that the daughter be taken from her family and placed somewhere else.
The boy being a little toad right now means the department seem to have put him in the "too hard" basket and no attempt to help him is in place.
I do understand that a victim couldn't get some kinds of counselling if still living with the abuser (whether or not there is a chance of a similar situation occurring).
I can also see the waters being well muddied because the department is now looking at a family history instead of the immediate situation which to me would seem more important at this stage.
Even more immediate - in a week where are mother and daughter going to live...?
Joanne
Am I correct in reading that...
Your daughter and son are not allowed to live together according to DoCS but that they have been unsuccessful in finding him a suitable foster home?
I have lost the first post. What is it they accuse you of?
Mostly it sounds like a horrible mess and it doesn't surprise me that you are exhausted.
Hi Jewely,yes that is
Hi Jewely,yes that is correct.My son & daughter are not allowed to live together as per Docs say so. I have questioned it and they advise that they will/can use the "Care & Protection" of the victim (my daughter) the classification of my son "high risk".
Docs will not source any more accommodation for my son as they have said 'theyve done all they can'2 Temp Care placements,2 weeks in a refuge,1 week in a Motel,all because Docs dont want my son anywhere near my daughter.They will NOT place him in a Foster home, or refuge because there "maybe" other kids younger than 14y and he is classed :high Risk". According to Docs he needs to be in isolation,kept hidden from society where he can go mental and do more harm (pray it doesnt happen).He has be banned from playing football until Docs feel he is able to play football!! There is no rehabilitation placement for him in NSW that will accept him due to the nature of the crime and his age.Believe me Ive tried myself & a recommendation from the Directors office could not swing it either.
I am being accused of
1.Letting my son pick his sister up from after school care 5.30pm and leaving them home until hubby gets home from work 6.00pm, 2 days a week.This started in July 08
2.Lying about my family history of 'known sexual assault',to this day I am not aware of sexual assault happening in mine or my husbands family.
3.Having more than 3 children.According to there information I have 3 children.*I dont and never have,I certainly would know if Ive had 3 children*
I know what my son did is wrong,my son knows what he did was wrong,but why keep putting barriers up for us when all we wanted was help for him from the start?
Hey Joanne
It doesn't sound like this young fella would stay put in a foster home aye even if one could be found.
Has your boy settled down a bit since all of this has happened, is he doing okay home with dad?
Anyone one from DoCS said to you what they expect you to do? Is there some indication that you and your girl will be allowed to go home at some stage?
I am amazed that they do give your daughter this label of being the victim and then punish her by this result of you and her be the ones that are not living at home.
And your boy, yes bad thing (whatever it was) but given how young he still is how do "they" expect him to move forward?
This is nuts. I suspect in the same situation I would have already left the state/country.
Hi Jewely
He's doing well,hes having counselling (intense) twice a week 2 hr sessions. He's also doing a PROPS program run through Barnados which is assisting him in his therepy.I would say that from his release date from Juvenile Detention on 15/01/09 he is finally receiving the help he needs.
Father & son have a good relationship,and this event (although bad) has bought them closer.
Docs have given us a timeframe of 12-18 months when my daughter and I can return home. Yes they have labeled her the victim & my son the perpetrator.
Thats the thing,they dont want my son to move on,they are finding ways to have him sent back to Juvenile Detention,like trying to breach him for being late to his JJ's apt (hes been late once),he has refused to speak to Docs (as from April 09) because he was present at a meeting his father & I attended when they come outright and said "theres nothing more we can do for him".
You know what Jewels, I have constantly thought about leaving the state believe me.But then I think of the consequences that may follow ie Docs,Law etc.It would be like runaway.
Poor kid
I really feel bad for you son. I mean they do go through their phases and this particular incident was certainly not taken lightly by you or anyone else and I'm not saying it should have been.
But he might not have deserved a lable quite yet. Or your daughter.
How is the girl?
I just clicked I already replied to this...oops.
But have been thinking about your situation and there is something terribly wrong there, this could devide your family forever if not sorted soon.
You don't want to be united because of a you vs "them" attitude either.
How much time do you four get to spend together as a family?
My son spent 3 months
My son spent 3 months incarcerated,which couldve been 12months which was suspended due to his early admission,and sincere remorse.I was the one who rang the police and sat & waited until 4 cop cars 8 cops come to my door.How bad I felt having to watch my son be taken away in handcuffs,still hurts to see that image. I dont condone what he did and no I didnt take it lightly & neither did his father.
I have been put in a situation where I have to choose between my two children.I was interigated last week by Docs for attending court with my son in Jan09 when I shouldve been at a counselling session for my daughter (who was in Queensland).It was put to me "so I chose to go to court yeah?"I mean WTF!!
My girl is good,I dont see anything different in her behaviour,attitude, personality.Shes still the same girl
who still looks up to her brother,she still knows what buttons to press to piss him off (brother/sister love)lol.However Docs view it differently they dont think I am being upfront when I say to them shes still her normal self.
We are not allowed to be together as a family until Docs say its allowed (no legal mandate,however they did quote a section of the act which I cant recall that can prevent them from seeing each other - apparently).They have given a timeframe 12-18months minimum,we have to work out when/how we swap the kids without them seeing each other,this is CPU & Docs doing the "not to see each other".We as a family have been divided for awhile,but the seperation has been and is encouraged by Docs for the benefit of my daughter.STRANGE but what can we do?
Although I do no that if we are in a public place like the park or wherever no one can stop that from happening,so that seems to be a plan for us at the moment.
*Although I do no that if we
*Although I do no that if we are in a public place like the park or wherever no one can stop that from happening,so that seems to be a plan for us at the moment.
Goday young lady how are you today*
May I suggest-if that is your 'plan' then you shouldn`t put it in writing....
Why take the risk of making the whole siutation- worse.
Just do as DOCs tell you.
Take a live in job and wait. Ask Docs if you can have conference telphone calls as a family and tape them.
Good luck
Graham
Joannes Choice
You ever watched "Sophies Choice", bloody heartbreaking (Sorry Graham). This event where your boy was taken in handcuffs - this is your tough love?
I think you did the right thing, hurtful or not you did the right thing. Does the boy see this? Did he learn you can only push family so far before family also needs outside help?
Yes I think Court would have been more important than a counselling session.
Do you think this 12 - 18 months will pass then everything back to one dwelling?
I'm guessing your family spend lots of public time together or at least in the weekends?
Hey can I ask a personal question, just cause I am a tad old fashioned about some things.
Why have the females moved out of the family home and not the males?
(Sorry Graham).
Err, whats that for-- Sorry Graham. I am not against this poor lady but I do think she was way out of line screaming she was going to sue Docs.
And I said so
I also said TWICE now the boy needs scans to see if there is a phycical reason for the change in behavoiur.
Nobody else has even thought of it when NORAMLLY its the first thing parents and trained staff think of.
There is still no mention of that.
Another observatation is- the kid seems to be better when hes away from women.
I do try. But some people want others to solve all their problems in life.
Jonanne is welcome up here FREE if she has no place to go.
Providing the girl is of gook behavoiur.
I am a good person but not a fool and i wont get dragged into people coming back at me with nasty comments simple because i offered to help.
For the r4ecord we also offered Lukes Dad Free Accomadation a safe place . We have lawyers coming out of our ears.
Thats again up to him but he didnt even have the manners to call back when he said he would.
Do I care NO. Not really but ou all come on here like your so hard done by
A few manners towards the ones who have helped might go a long way.
If they want to defy DOCS and put the kids together wekends in a park= then dont come crying when DOCS makes a move saying you wont work with them
They are the law Get it
I hope so because there STILL seems to be a problem excepting Docs as the legal body and doing as they asked
After all she called them. You either drop the anti docs attitude or go with the others who oppose DOCS
If you do that you could loose both kids
End of Story
Oh hey, I forgot I feel deply sorry for her- Jonanne
Thats why I offered to help
But help must be a bit of her own tough love.
See ya
Graham
Refreshing your comments Graeme
(G)I am not against this poor lady but I do think she was way out of line screaming she was going to sue Docs
Over exageration of content used Graeme.If I was "screaming"my comment wouldve or shouldve been in capitals,yeah?
(G)I understand why you not thinking clearly. You need some head scans blood tests done to look for a reason for his behaviour first-
I replied to this asking why I would need a scan and blood tests?
(G)I also said TWICE now the boy needs scans to see if there is a phycical reason for the change in behavoiur.
There is no reference of you stating the boy needs scans (as per top comment you made).And sorry but what would a head scan prove other than looking for tumors or the left side works better than the right?
(G)Nobody else has even thought of it when NORAMLLY its the first thing parents and trained staff think of.
A psychological assessement has been done twice if thats what you are referring too.And as per previous posts he has had blood tests which come back and continue to be within normal range.
(G)I do try. But some people want others to solve all their problems in life.
Incorrect,I have come to this forum like others to share the story,problems situation that others may have or maybe going through.Please dont get me confused by asking,begging or pleading for other readers to solve my problems.
(G)After all she called them. You either drop the anti docs attitude or go with the others who oppose DOCS
As any caring decent parent would do,ask for help,support? I am not anti Docs but I am not pro either.So I sit on the fence with my attitude towards Docs because my attitude at the end of the day determines the outcome of reuniting my family.
(G)But help must be a bit of her own tough love.
I/We are being punished individually and as a family unit.So I sit here and think "should I have picked up the phone"and called the police? "should I have called Docs" and have thought about this numerous times,but you know what,whats done is done I cannot change the past,I can only focus on what I/We can do in the future.
Build a bridge & get over it
Thanks for your offer of accommodation,however I am staying at my aunts until I can secure accommodation which I have (move Tuesday).And yes I am of good behaviour.
Thanks
Scans for head injury
Joanne
I went to great pains to explain to you that at times kids have falls out of trees and bumps to the head- especially boys.
These injuries may be all but forgotton. That tip off the push bike etc sometimes years before
Tumour is another one
This can result in unusual behavoiur years later
Thats what the Scans are for
Your counciler SHOULD have orderd those if not the parents etc..
I wasnt speaking of your behavoiur- but our daughters
Thanks for the thanks
PS
You did say you were sueing DOCS
Never mind
Best wishes and good luck for the future
Graham
Runaway
Would be my first intinct, but I get you - you never know who will follow.
So all these things are in place for the boy. Hopeful.
I can empathise, my son was "naughty" and had JJ visiting once a week or he had to go to the office. Bit older than your boy I think. Was 17 at the time.
Can a deal not be done with the department where there is a promise of adult supervision with the kids at all times?
The boy - being hurt about this statement may mean he completely disagrees with it so that's pretty hopeful far as I can see.
But yeah, in this world he must step up and talk to caseworkers. They may have to see and hear that circumstances have changed. No he can't ever be late for JJ. They do insist on being taken seriously.
I have no idea how to get through to some workers but maybe a family group meeting? You and your girl really do need to get home if you are confident there will be no repeat of the incident the started all this.
So far things are in place
So far things are in place for my son,and we have seen gradual improvement,ie attitude,respect more open with communicating with us.So hopefully onwards & upwards,
He hasnt been to school since Oct08,when trying to enrol him this year the school refused because Docs had intervened (rang the school and said HOLD)application until a report can be fully read by Docs,JJ's,NSWED so from then til now he has been going to work with his father.Until today there maybe hope,Im waiting for some person to ring from NSWED for a school that is more suited to his needs rather than mainstream.
My kids have both been supervised since the incident.Not by Docs just my husband & me.We have advised Docs that locks have been put on her room door & our room door she also sleeps with us.Docs advised that we cant provide 24hr care,ie when we go to sleep etc.My daughter is never alone with her brother & vice versa.I dont know what more I can do to substantiate my claim other than asking my daughter directly.
We have had Family Group meetings,which always results in me coming out,feeling worser than when I went in.Basically Docs have our family by the "balls",yes I so want to go home but cant,they wont allow it until they see that my kids get treatment,which they both are receiving.
I am 110% confident that this will not happen again,however my say so is not washing with Docs.They base all there evidence on "Statistics"and "Data". I for one do not believe in this boloney,as alot of cases go unreported.
Stats/lies
No you seem to grasp the whole thing just fine, stats are crap and what they are doing makes no sense to me.
Jo:"We have had Family Group meetings,which always results in me coming out,feeling worse than when I went in.Basically Docs have our family by the "balls",yes I so want to go home but cant,they wont allow it until they see that my kids get treatment,which they both are receiving."
How much "treatment" are they expecting, what do they want to hear has changed? Or is it based around this time limit they put on dividing you?
Do you have somewhere to live when the house is sold?
How Hypocretical
In one post, Its I feel for you and I understand and in the next, its, Wake up and smell the roses. ????. Wow!!!!.
I will apply 50 lashes to self for my outburst, That everybody, Quote's: speak up, complain. Tisk-Tisk.
No, It doesnt give them that right, after 4 times of getting it wrong. It was I and I alone,informing docs, Why, Didnt they came to that half way point ?. Why add more to me ?.
In your own words, No human is safe, more so a man, Oh!!!, but a female school teacher can have willing sex with her male student and obtains just a simple slap on the hand, A man does that, There is no pass go.
I already stated, in a few week a man in my city goes to prison, on 80 courts of rape to a minor, and only get 3 months. whats that about ???.
If you conducted a true professional investigations back in 2003 and then Deemed me to be normal, This posting would not be taking place, Get my Picture. If DOCs did their stinking job correctly. I wouldnt be here bitching as you say. That being brutally honest.
Do you think I get some delight of burying myself in my home ?.
Do you think it doesnt hurt to be alone ?. Unnecessary ?.
Why ask all the questions after a event, when the event is yelling to be helpt ?.
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
This chapter of Sniper
You must get sick of repeating yourself, I think I have heard the story so many times and people asking the same questions over and over.
But this one chapter, just the one where you slept with a teenager.
No, I don't see how that has anything to do with parenting or speaks to your skills as a father. Plenty of well paid, recpectable businessmen/fathers that cruise off to Tailand to make use of young girls and boys.
You wont see anyone from any department commenting on that or removing children based on this alone.
I am not commenting on morals (before anyone else leaps in), just why you have been seperated from your women and children.
I'd file that particular event away forever under "Oops/Bills Paid".
Try frustrating.
If I had them (TRUE and Honest) answers to why DOCs are so hell bent in not only removing the child/ren, but also The partner/s,Then makes sure that I Dont have any contact with the said child/ren, Then you and I would know.
Docs cant even get their own stories of me straight, They swap and change it to suit them, add events,place me places I have never been to.
As I piss off people here, Imagine who I might of Pissed off in that Department.
Funny you should mention Fathers/husbands, recpectable businessmen sneaking over to places like Tailand, Buy a a boy or girl, and have a live in sex slave.
DOCs tried to do the same to Steve Erwin, stating his a unfit Father,cause of that Croc event. Due to only Steve being famous and rich, it was over looked to pursue by Docs. If a normal everyday welfare bulger(as Graham calls them),did that, he would lose his kids and his woman.
Docs have this policy of Kill first, ask questions later, oh!!! oppps Docs got it wrong, DOCs policy to that, Lets cover it up, lets add more to it, to enhance what DOCS say is gospel.
If and Only a IF, DOCS did truly conduct a true and professional educational investigation way back in 2003, By saying, We have this concerns, we are removing your child(not the partner) and to Test and to investigate you,till WE(docs) are happy, This way, a relationship is, that said child still gets to see mom and dad, If it took 6 months or a yr or even 2 yrs, Thats way better then what DOCs have done by Murdering my family and killing Love.
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Have you applied for your FOI
Have you applied for your FOI file? i would applying for that file as they would have to had state reason's of why removal happened and the reason's contact was denied at the time. and you would also by law should receive this in writing within 28 days of the decisions being made by the dept
I know dept do change their stories to suit them from time to time, that part is true Sniper, they will be hell bent on covering up anything at any cost. But the Fact is you we're a risk at time posed to the child/ren and the dept had every right to remove the child/ren but yeah they should have done a thorough assessment and investigation and properly placed the child with family and allocated visits strictly supervised by a few case workers and i would have made sure the order went for at least 4 years on the risk basis, as the children we're at risk per the Linkage i pointed out.
The sex slave industry is ram pit and there is always police monitoring this kind of stuff and it sickiness me to the stomach.
Agreed the only reason steve Irwin walked a fit father was the fact he had money and he was famous etc if it we're to happen to blow joe his kids would be removed in a instance, but look at micheal jackon when he dangled his daughter from the building nothing happened yet again.. then you got mothers that pureed baby food and the kids are removed etc and then mothers playing pokies and leave the kids in the play room what happens kids removed... and then look at the case of Britney Spears she had a breakdown and they took her kids off her and gave them to the pig MR Fedaline that is living the high life and allows her to have contact more than the court agreed to but still wants the money though. so just go to show the injustice in the cases...
there are some cases yes they get it wrong, and some apologize when they do but yes some cover up at all cost's .. but if the dept didn't act they would be in grief for not acting and when they do act they are in wrong so they can't really win either way can they..
But the dept do have to act in the best interest of the child. and what they decide is the best interest of the child...
Can you imagine if a dept worker failed a child and didn't act on a notification and the child was at risk like in case like yours and the child ended up being raped and attacked and ended up in hospital? i say they did what was best at the time the assessment was conducted. Well done to dept and Police etc they had to do what was the best. But now is the time you should be fighting for what is right if that is what you truly believe go for it..
People have given you advise and your story seems to change from time to time.. but only you know the truth.
Best of luck
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Just wondering
Sniper have you requested your file from DoCS? Don't they have to give people all info they have on them if a request is made?
It is freaky cause a few days ago I posted those youtube links where all states were protesting about shared custody.
Each one seemed to highlight that this country didn't care at all about what a parent was like and that it did not stop them awarding shared custody to a parent. (These were non-DoCS involved cases though)
I think what I understood was that it doesn't matter what you personally have been accused of it is not taken in to account where your own children are concerned.
So can't be the 15/16 year old aye.
But looking back, and I know you've done that with a microscope, what thing is the main thing that DoCS used to stop you living with your children?
To FOI or not to FOI.
I have both FOI's from Cops and DOCs,dated from 1977 to 2007, Cops take about 4 weeks to get to me, DOCs takes over a year. tween both, they differ. this is where I learnt I was in other place I have never been before in my life.
from 2003, I ask DOCs for any information of their concerns of me, Instead I am told to leave their building or I will be charged with trespassing.
2004, I start a relationship. 2005, docs plays God. I am giving files, that indicates their concerns,this file, is only about 20 pages or less.
2006,another relationship starts. 2007, DOCs play God again. these files are now 300 pages thick and give details of events that only Docs could ever make up. In less then 6 months tween the 2 relationships, My files have been added to.to enhance that Pedo Status.
DOCs have cross no mans land to commit their Personal views, to myself never to have any form of any contact what so ever to my children. The last Partner is a witness to DOCs hearsay and has been recorded to tape.
what thing is the main thing that DoCS used to stop you living with your children. I dont Know, I wish I knew.
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Get out of the Game
I can't see a way out for you Sniper.
It may well mean that a life with young children in it is over, taken, not to be repeated.
Doesn't mean a future with a partner isn't on the horizon though.
Love may still be in your future.
Would that be something worth looking for?
You're staring at your cards, you can't "raise" or "call", you need to "fold".
No "bluffing" isn't an option.
The Deck is Rigged.
Ha-ha, So it is a game, That Docs plays with lives....
Here come wear my glasses and I'll show you a way out.
Its not over till the Fat lady sings.
And true, I could just find a female and just Love, but that emptiness will never be healthy in any relationship.
This is Why i Lose that Love, SO easy for a woman to Just give up.
I never was bluffing. One day, a line will be crossed, I only Hope its the line to a court room to seek that Justice, or a court room to place me in a REAL prison. Then graham has to pay for it in his stinking hard earn Tax's.
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
So you won't just Love some
So you won't just Love some woman for her? it has to have kids? why the fascination with having kids and wives etc very bizarre to me
won't be happy in a marriage without kids... it clear you can't have kids around you.. but you won't find happiness without kids.. has to have kids strange man,..
what's the grudge with Graham?
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I want FREEDOM.
YOU, as a frking woman, cant even fathom to how it feels like to have a child die, be branded, be demoralized.
The Grudge....He is a hypocrite.
You all Full of advice, But NO real solution. The REAL solution, Is a COURT room, Get The picture.
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
you said Sniper : *YOU, as a
you said Sniper :
*YOU, as a frking woman, cant even fathom to how it feels like to have a child die*,
Well Well Sniper you want to know a Fact? I did loose a child okay? i lost my little Girl it is the worst thing that any parent can go through to loose a child and I'm sure you and Lukes dad know what it feels like too. but my child didn't even get to take her First Breathe at Birth nor did i see her first smile nor did i see her grow.. get my Drift.. so Yeah i know what it is like to Loose a child , and many woman have suffered loss of a child so they would know what it is like to loose one.
Actually you know i know this Woman that is branded a Sex offender in the eyes of the dept with no record of this behind her and they claim this .. how do you think she feels as a woman?
Well if your Action is the Court Room, My Advise is get to the court room now before its too late ...
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Look at a mans Fruits.
1st up. yes, I have been a prick in my attitude,this of cause is not the real me,the real me is buried but deep and to have this shield around me. doesnt help much,when you and others only see the words I write.
OKies. you can peek here to read the response to " *YOU, as a frking woman, cant even fathom to how it feels like to have a child die* " here ' Sniper as Sacrifice '.
Actually you know i know this Woman that is branded a Sex offender in the eyes of the dept with no record of this behind her and they claim this .. how do you think she feels as a woman?.
( the Same as me. )
My Advise is get to the court room now before its too late.
( what do you think I have been trying to do.?. remember! I have asked for mercy and no one gave it. I asked to be treated as a human, and again,no one gave it.)
Ya all remember "EVIL ANGELS", you know, the dingo stole my baby...........No Lindy,it wasn t a Dingo that stole your baby,it was the department of Child Safety: Missing babies or children in the state of Queensland?.Its wasn t the Dingo,But DOCS
I was in that movie. at the same times tells me I am a molester. My point wild: too why No one as lawyers or anyone that could help,only rejects?. My point Wild: I have the proof and the witness's,that I cant be in two places at the same time.
Yes, and true.Im guilty of what I did. I cannot escape that. and IT was just a ONE off. The youngest female I have had sex with since release from prison,that became the mother to my child was 20. then the next at 33, then 41,these are the women of 5 yrs. Where in that have I done Wrong ?.
But, that dont mean,I have to give up, in my dreams and goals,until I die, thats one thing no one can take from me.
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Well instead of being nasty
Well instead of being nasty sniper and not showing the real you .. why don't you let him appear so we can see him :)
Yes she Does Feel the Same as you, and you know what the CPIU are still Investigating her 2 and half years after the fact. with no charges ever laid, claimed she has child pornography but alas not found, this is a case i know is unjust.
Well My Advise is keep going keep trying to find a lawyer that will take your case on have you tried one of those no win no fee?
The Dingo story was quiet extraordinary
Your Point is very Valid Sniper. you too can have dreams and hopes, but yes you should fight for what you believe in even if others don't believe it, but get back to the court room as quick as possible,
you and both i know what you done is wrong but at least you admit that now.
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I have never said I didnt admit.
By golly. This attitude is Handed to me by Docs, this life is handed to me by docs. the real me, is sick of being shattered.
Who ?. sides, Docs, do I need to satisfy ?. to help me get to that court room ?.
Well how come I am not being investigated ?. Im told I have all those and more, ive told all here,to where I live and whats around me.Odd dont you think. being branded a danger to children,yet, children are all around me.
Your advice,doesnt hold water, hasnt in 8 yrs, to obtain any form of lawyer. now legal aid, should also be investigated, to their consent rejections, just for me to apply for some form of contact with my kids. when every effort is made for others.
The dingo story, also proves my point.
They maybe valid, but to docs, they mean nothing.
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Sniper from Graham
Sniper
I wasn’t going to bother posting anymore, considering I left two messages for you with detailed info on case working being given the powers of the courts.
Wherever you look at comments it`s always the case workers complaints are thrown at.
I personally feel, it was a mistake for state Governments to give case workers pretty much he powers of a federal courts.
I suppose in hindsight, it might have been done to try to balance he huge costs involved to both parents and he government by dozens- hundreds of ongoing court cases.
I have said before o this forum as a matter of interest in law I see these pit falls in the state government act
The act itself seems to be in direct conflict of federal court law acts.
Let me try to explain it this was.
If you had been in a car accident and badly injured you would have to be represented by a lawyer later for damages- and of course the other parties insurance would have their lawyers fighting to give you bugger all
The findings then goes to the judge. He has acts and guidelines to follow-
He puts MOST of his findings into the case you and your lawyer presents.
Your lawyer knows what he is looking for. He is looking for a medico legal report which is prepared by a professional physiatrist who s job is does NOTHING other than interviewing the victim and weighing up the situation. Most Federal court judges will not allow a phycologists report unless accompanied WITH a Lego medico report and then ONLY if its vital that in some way it can be proven that the phycologist has spent so much time with the victim he/she has vital information further adding to the legal Medical report. But basically any federal court judge holds zero interest in what phycologists say. They are worth Diddle Squat
SO Sniper, what does that tell you- so far ?
It tells everybody that a State Government act being passed to give case workers the powers- pretty much of a federal court using PHYCLOIGISTS instead of PHYCATRISTS is in direct conflict of our Federal court s and ‘possible’ even in COMTEMP of them.
It is quite extraordinary.
In short hand if it was proven( challenged) and upheld it would result in thousands of litigations against DOCS etc
Because that would MEAN to YOU and others you had been kept from your children unlawfully.
That is the way in which I see it anyway and MOP
Now re you.
If you were told you could see the kids- ive with our wife and kids because someone from ANYWHERE said- Gee this guy has done time for CN and NO OTHER REASON yes you would have a good case
If you were not examined by a physiatrist for a legal medico report and had no other form etc=You would have a case.
You say legal aid knocked you back for eight years. You would have had legal aid prior on the CN charge yes?
They tend to only give it once and only to matters concerning a possible goal term.
Plenty of really deserving and needing people cant get legal aid because our stinking laws state its for people facing a goal term- mostly
So if you are a drug dealer rape little old ladies murder of kids etc you will get legal aid.
Welcome to the unfair world of being considered part of he normal human race.
Wild Child I will say Happy Mothers day and to other Mums.
Hey could you do us a favour and not keep going over Snipers past charges.
He`s already said he erred pls leave it at that. You have got him back to swearing again. He was doing so well!
Yes I know your trying to help. We all are in our own way.
I still confirm I hold strong views on blue cards for Foster parents and Gold for natural ones.
DOCS have also helped some people and your one of them.
Everybody says Graham is a snob when he has a go at mothers coming in here swearing. You can say whatever you like but kids learn from parents.
Sniper if you really want to go to court against DOCS you can have the fees waved by a federal court. There is a lot of work involved lobbying for it but if you a persistent you might prevail .
*The dingo story, also proves my point.*
Don’t tell me you don’t believe the dingo got the child?
I can assure you I have been in the bush long enough to know that the only reason he fitted that poor woman for that one – was the political moves to protect their tourism industry.
Graham
So nice of you,.
How else can I state to the actions of Docs concerning my sons?.
I have NO rights to have any form of contact,
Hows this For the professional conduct. last week I received letters from docs. outlining their concerns of my son and court dates.
its now 2009, them letters are dated, 2007 and 2008, took that long to get to me. mmmmm
Last court date over my son, 12th of the 12th 2008, to date, I dont know the outcome, No information from Docs,what so ever.
Docs never ever helpt me in any manner, only added events to me. Oh! I guess they help, help me to live in this way.
Graham: gee!!!!, what part of what I am saying, dont sink in ???.
let me try again.....
The help I need is to fill out these documents in a Professional legal manner, so that Judge, dont read my emotions set to paper. The Judge is looking for Facts, not emotions. this is where I lack,in the proper grammar to submit these documentations in that professional legal manner....... DO you now Understand ?.
I can pull a engine apart and rebuild it, the same for computers, I can web page design, I can write songs and odes, I can drive a truck and a forklift, Ive been a chief,Ive been in movies, and :) I know how to milk a cow, I can dabble with electronics, I can build houses and grow gardens. But when it comes to the legal documentations, That,Sir!!!! has to be done in a Professional manner,By someone in that profession, To which I can not Do.
A dingo stole my baby------yeah right. of cause I dont believe a dingo did it,(the butler maybe) :)
And I can SO much assure you, that I grew up with the black man and his ways. I know the bush and what roams in it. I know where to find water and food. I have walked in the black mans foot steps....have you?.
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Sniper by laws letters from
Sniper by laws letters from the dept have to be outlined and sent to the other parties within 28 days of the decision being made No dept worker would be that slack to sent you letters from 2007 and 2008.
if the last out come was 12 December 2008, you would receive the application of the hearing and the order being sought and the intervention that is warranted for the child's safety and protective needs etc as a parent you would have also received a copy of the current case plan, and letter of out come of the hearing and you would have received this as by law you are to receive this as you are a respondent/parent etc and it is by law you do receive this unless they can not locate you if you have moved and never informed them that is more the case.
You thrive living like a victim, its what you do best.
I can defiantly see you lack in grammar that is for sure, lol But do you know you can go to a community Lawyer and they fill them out for you for $35 with a centrelink concession card
so you are a narcissist too? Been there done that?
Look if you really wanted to fight this you would fight it and not make up all kind of excuses like you do.
You are a black dog that hoovers at night .. you hoover at night to find vulnerable children to prey on
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Cant Promise Anything Sniper
You can email me through the site if you like.
I have a friend who does a fair bit of this stuff. Take it you want to file for access to he kids right?
Hes somewhere up the north coast working after leaving a large family law firm In Bribane.
You may stand a better chance to gain legal aid if its presented by a law firm
. Like I said no promises but its worth a try.
Graham
Graham
Dont care much for promises.They tend to break.
enlighting me to why, I have to email you?.
yes, I just want to be able to spare some quality time with my offsprings. for them to know,who their father is.
I have no desire to have them full time, cause that defeats the purpose to why they were born.
well, Graham,I am in townsville, I have rang legal aid brisbane, they give me the go ahead, I thought i had a lawyer here, One day it was, Yes, we can help you, and 2 days later when I re ring them, they couldnt get rid of me quick enough.
Im kinda hoping, theres a place to make a complaint on the code of ethics against lawyers. what lawyers do to me, Is not what I call normal practice.
But, Tell me graham, do I have to commit a crime, to be questioned to why I did commit that crime?. to add focus to this Issue of abuse by the system ?.
Being guilty, obtains everything,. being innocent,only has one forever condemned.
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
enlighting me to why, I have to email you?. Nice to see a THANKS
Because he would need 'those papers' or at least some copies of the background of he matter.
He would certainly need copies of ALL correspondence from DOCS.
You know the papers that you wanted Wild Child to see. But if its too much bother forget it.
He doesnt do legal aid normally but may have done it as a favour to myself had I requested it.
The only reason the Townsville lawyers would have lost interest in your matter was because it was regected by legal aid
No other reason.
Trust me most lawyers will do aything for money- even legal aid rates.
Your case is nowhere near half as bad as some he represent daily so dont kid yourself.
You walk back into that same office and put five grand in their trust account and they will treat you like a king-- for about three visits that is..
:)
Graham
You shouldn't spend Quality
You shouldn't spend Quality time with your children, wanna know why you pose a risk to sexually abusing them?
Cause when they get into the file at legal aid and the docs relating to the dept they see what you are and why would they want to help some pedo?
stop playing the Victim Sniper you are as guilty as the day... and your criminal record also proves my point :)
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CONTACT WITH KIDS GRAHAM
GRAHAM how could you want to help this Sniper , try and gain access to his children after what he has done. he abused a child and they took his kids cause they we're at risk of sexual harm etc and he hasn't seen them in years.
the dept won't look favorably to that since it will cause trauma too there already adjusted life and he hasn't been in the picture for years. and he was deemed a risk.
to be honest i don't think any lawyer should or would touch him, could you live with yourself if you got him help and he harmed one of the kids?
he will only gain legal aid if he is has ongoing matters that are dealt with child protection and control matters in the court that was initiated by the dept and not him
HE has been refused everywhere else.. you wouldn't want this 'person' to gain access to any child.
i wouldn't let him around my dog let alone my children.
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Court System and Sniper
How do you feel it was bad that the Dept worker has too many powers?
i mean who else is going to protect the abused children? sure you have the police and the Magistrates and advocating services, but none of them take it as serious as a front line child protection Worker,
i mean there roles are too
Children - they are committed to the safety of children and young people. Their best interests and rights are paramount in all of their decisions.
Accountability - they take responsibility for their actions, act ethically and manage their resources effectively and efficiently.
Respect - they take pride in the often difficult work they do to protect children and young people. they support and respect staff and the child safety partners.
Excellence - they support continuous quality improvement and are open to new ways to improve their services to children, young people and their families. they learn from the experiences and celebrate their successes.
The Department of child safety protect children and young people who have been harmed or who are at risk of harm, and secure their future safety and well being. Which in My Opinion Should be Paramount of everything else.
So what I'm saying i believe they should Have Federal powers to Protect the Child who have been harmed or who are at risk of harm, and secure their future safety and well being.
I Mean after all The dept is Employed to protect children. so when they take the parents to court it is only Fair the Magistrate listens to the Child Protection Worker you see, they are Employed to Protect children and that is what they are doing, so why not give them some extra power to do this? after all they are doing what everyone wants. protection children. and this is a big epidemic in the community these days and it just ain't the dept that should protect children its the whole community has a job and duty to protect children that is being harmed or at risk of harm
But see in Children's Court the Court will accept a psychologist Report when the affidavit material is handed in by department along with other specialist report.
But if you we're to go to court in Family Court this is a whole Different Story And you have medico legal report which is prepared by a professional psychiatrist
And usually a forensic assessment conducted by Forensic Psychologist or Psychiatrist
But see Graham in Eyes of the Court System as in the dept and Court System they Have found Sniper to be a Risk to his Children , He had sex with a underage girl she was under 16 = child abuse , and if they we're to allow him to be around these children there is a significant risk to these children that the dept or Magistrate isn't willing to risk. that is in Fact he May sexually abuse them given his Past child abuse case. their would be too much a likely a risk that he would have a likelihood of re committing such as acts on his own children, But the Dept should have had a Forensic Psychologist prepare a report on this and hand this too the Magistrate if this was dealt with via Children's Court. SO in my opinion he was never kept away from his children unnecessary it was defiantly necessary to keep the children safe and not to pose any risk to these children now or in the future.
How can he have a case Since he committed a child related offense and that gives the dept all right to restrict contact between a child and their family etc and he did time so that backs the fact he did co mitt a child related offense, you don't go to Jail for the hell of it. Their would be a linkage between having sex with a child under 16 and having sex or at risk of having sex with a child in the future and the fact was the court Proved him to be Guilty and if he can do a crime like that to any child under 16 what is stopping him hurting his own child, the dept decision was very warranted in my opinion, there would be too much of risk substantiated with Sniper not to take action like this,
Legal Aid is Always Granted once you have been either Charged with a offense or have ongoing proceedings that need negotiations like : i.e child protection matters or Fraud etc But only Get granted Full Aid if the TRIAL is a winnable case. i know this Couple that are always in Trouble with the Law and they have Never Been Refused Aid yet.
i never got Sniper Swearing, he did that all on his own, if he can't take the Truth or A bit of Criticism that is his own problem, but it just reinforces what the dept are saying about him is true.
Oh Yeah i Strongly Believe in these Blue and Gold Cards for Everybody that is around children, but i know it won't stop people falling through the Cracks but it will Minimize it
i agree Kids learn from their Parents, and people come in here swearing and cursing at what dept are doing what is the point? this is showing they are taking the matter to seriously now is it? and another thing that could happen what happens if a young child was to come across this site and read it? the hard fact is dept are their to help families weather some people accept they need change or not is up to them, but they should really start controlling their tongues for the sake of their own children and other children, this is not a good role model.
That is True about having the Fee's waived, like i said there is another option get a job and find a lawyer that is pay as you go they are out there,
Wild Flower
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Your not worth the effort
How does it feel that you are Cursed.......................
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Sniper you are the one that is Cursed?
I'm Cursed Huh? that is Pretty Amazing, Since i have my kids and my Husband and my JOB etc
i didn't commit a sex offense on a child and get charged
i didn't loose my kids to the dept
i didn't loose my family to the dept
i didn't loose everything like you did when you had sex with a child and went to jail.. and you say I'm Cursed
HAHAH don't make me laugh please... :)
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Response to Wild Child re DOCS Case worker powers.
Response to Wild Child re DOCS Case worker powers.
Quiet frankly little lady, I do wish people would READ others comments when they are posted ‘carefully’
I explained this in great detail two weeks and posted the amendments to the DOCS act, ‘for memory’ dated 2002. Just go back and find it and study it. I can’t follow this site- so don’t ask me.
I must be dumb, I suppose….
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NO, I am not going to discuss Sniper in his absence
. Providing He/she isn’t hurling offensive language in my company I will give him/ them the same respect as I shall afford yourself – and anybody else.
The Response to Your questions
Question
*How do you feel it was bad that the Dept worker has too many powers?
Reply
That’s not what I said Wild Child.
I was questioning giving a case worker powers equal (pretty much to a Federal Court. Our country is with a Government and an opposition, which is supposed to ensure Justice.
Wherever you have one person with powers you leave the way open to alligations of corruption- rightly or wrongly.
From what I have seen tis act may have also been putting case workers to a disadvantage also.
It could be that you also might experience a slight personal conflict of interest’s give you stated your husband is/ was a phycologist.
When you are deciding over major events such as long term placement it’s not good enough to have some phycologist.
These people are NOT recognised in a Federal court- unless added to a full Medico legal report a professional physiatrist who do Medico legal reports .
Probably 90% of the time the case worker gets it right- maybe 60% However
In LAW it would seem to me the State government amendment (which was no doubt done to save costs) ‘may be’ in conflict or even contempt of Federal Court Laws.
May I suggest you might another forum that I by private email introduced another poster on here to?
I do not post here for personal reasons but I would be delighted to se your comments on other issues.
Here is the link that I hope may interest you. - There are many other topis also. Dear do read and listen to other also and I think you might enjoy it. As you know the environment and animal welfare are high on he agenda within the area of my interests so no surprises, to this first link.
Remember treat others as you would wish to be treated but don’t expect it.=
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2729
Graham
Reply to Graham
Sorry i misunderstood you. But this site is Quiet confusing at times to follow i will say that much ,
I will go find that act and read it.
Sniper can never help but to hurl offensive language
he has been online Making Post i think as it is showing to me as new posts. when he is nice i will give him Respect until then, i won't :)
No When Long Term Placement is being Sought the child must engage in Counseling and their wishes have to be heard, and all medical records and affidavits must be made available to the court as well a forensic Psychologist must make a report based on available information and the Judge me be satisfied on the basis of what the order is being sort for.
Long-term child protection orders are an essential part of the child protection system as they enable the department to pursue long-term, stable living arrangements for children who cannot be safely reunified with their families.
Of the 6,942 children subject to child protection orders as at 30 June 2008, 4,209 were subject to short-term orders and 2,733 were subject to long-term orders.
Over the period 30 June 2004 to 30 June 2008 the number of children subject to long-term orders increased by 48.2 per cent (from 1,844 to 2,733).
Information about Long-term guardianship orders
Child protection orders granting long-term guardianship are made by the Childrens Court to:
a suitable family member, other than a parent of the child; or another suitable person nominated by the department (for example, a foster carer); or the chief executive.
The Childrens Court can only grant a long-term guardianship order to a suitable person, who is not a member of the child's family, if:
a short-term custody or guardianship order already exists in relation to the child; and
the proposed guardian is nominated by the chief executive.
A decision about seeking a long-term guardianship order can only occur after a period of case planning and active intervention with the family, to resolve the child's protection and care needs. The outcome of the family reunification assessment will guide the CSO in deciding when it is appropriate to cease working towards reunification and pursue alternative long term out-of-home care for the child.
Assessment prior to an application to the court
When considering an application to the Childrens Court for a child protection order granting long-term guardianship, the CSO (or other departmental officer nominated by the CSSC manager or zonal director) will undertake an assessment, and prepare a report, which addresses child, family and carer factors.
The CSO is to make an assessment based on all relevant information from departmental records and interviews with relevant stakeholders. The assessment is to be documented and recorded in a report, and must include information about the following factors:
the child's views about their care. Consideration should be given to their age, developmental stage, ability to understand, their attitude towards daily care and decision-making by their carer and the proposed change in guardianship;
information from the child's strengths and needs assessment/s, including any special needs, such as the need for treatment or therapeutic intervention in relation to the harm which the child has experienced;
the outcome of previous familyreunification assessments;
the quality of the relationship and attachment the child has with the carer/s;
the quality of the relationship and attachment between the child and the parents, siblings, extended family members and other persons of importance to the child;
ongoing contact arrangements with family members and other persons of significance to the child, including the likely future maintenance of such relationships; and
cultural considerations and how the decision to grant long-term guardianship may impact on the child's identity and/or future links to their community of origin.
Here is some of how the Process works :
http://www.childsafety.qld.gov.au/practice-manual/chapters/child-protect...
Did you Introduce someone on this site?
Thanks for the Link I'm off to read the site, and might add some of my views on some of the current concerns that are in Mind.
Did you Buy any chance get the Sunday Mail today with Rspca Campaign in it? too try change laws with the animals?
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Web Master to close thread down
You know I would 'fully support the Web Master' if the were to close this thread down.
Everyone is abusing the good nature of whom ever is paying for this site.
I spoke with the person once, and heard a deeply upset voice regarding the way in which the site was being treated.
When someone opens something like this ,in order to give people a voice they dont deserve such utter disrepect.
This is like a 5 year olds play ground minus the swearing- ( I would hope)
Wild Child
regarding the change in State government act for DOCS I dont need you to post the whole of he exsisting act up 'thanks.
Do you not think ,I would have read that- or be aware of it.
What I said and I will only say it one more time is=
It would seem to me any State Gov act, that is in 'conflict with federal court laws' is bound to be a dogs breakfast-.
To put in place a 'inhouse Tribunal' SHUT SHOP and take away the right to have either yourself or a lawyer present 'IS outragous.'
A Lawyer may NOT appear before the Trbunal. He may request to on your behalf but its hardely EVER granted.
This is to deny natrual justise.!
How many people have got $30.000 to 70.000 thousand dollars or more available to them to obtain a QC and fight them in a Federal Court. Few I would suggest to you.
The Tribunal's role is FINILISED once a decision has been handed down.
The Tribunal is not able to follow up on a case or manage or oversee cases.
Resources = They Have NONE. The ALP have us in the red. So this amendment IMOP was a cost cutting excersise and bugger the fact it may deny parents a fair hearing.
This is 'probably' Snipers problem.We dont have to LIKE someone to make sure justise is done Wild Child.
Oh Look the CJC - currentlty known as the CMC
Hilarious,
The last time I knew several people who were to to give 'evidence against' the CJC at an enqiry . PCJC, "I was informed" leaked docs back to the CJC which endangered their lives.
They are termed whistle blowers.
Oh BTW The only witness protection is run by the CJC/CMC so how do you reckon hese people would go giving evidence AGAINST THEM.
Many of my friends were in the AFP and elsewhere. Allow me to enlighten you.
There is no justice in any of our systems. We must just all keep our heads down and do our best.
In other words dont go looking for trouble.
I am only saying this one last time wild child Pycoligist reports are not to be worth two bob in a federal court.
Thats a FACT.
Now I would have thought given you even require a Medico legal report from a TRAINED phycatrist to settle in a federal court for damages from a broken leg incurred in a car accident- Our Kids Might have rated just as important
But thats not what the State Government seems to think.
You might be married to one wild child but that do not havehe training required or skills to make these types of calls.
That is at least whats in the federal court act. Sorry if that offends you.
I DO know because I have worked ( and am still
working on a case similar to yours)
*I paid for the report two grand because he victim had no funds. Cant get any either unless she wins in court.
Fought toothe and nailto get the State cops to evn take a statement! THEN had to fight for the feds to join s as hes from Germany- but living in Australia.
We need to get him BACK there because the offences took place as a child there.
Interpole tell us Germany doesnt want to know
So I rang the BT in Germany and can assure you its the same old system
Nobody really cares. Dont kid yourself on that.
Even jewles has told ou they DONT check on he kids she has in care.
BUT from what I have seen DOCS have got it right most times re the types of people on this forum
Its clear to me at least you still have issues. You have been abusive yourself regardng what Sniper did years ago.
You need to get more help.
No I DONT like swearing either. yo9u kinow hat. But you push and push him.
You told me you would leave him alone but you havent.
I dont think our Dad is in goal either- is he?
DOCS should be all over hat. We have a child abuser walking the sts .
They knew that was you had your problems when they took your kids
THINK ABOUT IT - Are he doing their job
Your were a VICTIM but nothing was - or Is being done about the offender!
Hes free to hide behind he mental health act isnt he!
Happy to help goal him
Thats upt you
Have a nice day.
I think Jewles is the best person to asist you Sniper with your papers.
You seem to get along well together
I wish you both luck and success with your matter.
I would be open to helping partly in our faires to travel to Jewles and meet with her to get your help with the papers and spelling.
Crime and Misconduct Commission
The Crime and Misconduct Commission (CMC) is a statutory body, answerable to the people of Queensland through an all-party parliamentary committee, the Parliamentary Crime and Misconduct Committee. Under the terms of the Crime and Misconduct Act 2001, the CMC operates on three major 'fronts':
* fighting major crime;
* raising public sector integrity; and
* protecting witnesses.
The CMC has a major role to improve the integrity of the public sector and to reduce the incidence of official misconduct in the Queensland public sector. In collaboration with government departments, the CMC handles any serious concerns Queenslanders may have about the misconduct of public officials.
The CMC is not a court but can refer matters to the Director of Public Prosecutions with a view to criminal prosecution or the appropriate chief executive officer to consider disciplinary action. The CMC can also charge officers with official misconduct in a Misconduct Tribunal.
The role of the department's Ethical Standards Unit is to liaise with the CMC on matters relating to possible official misconduct reported from within the department.
When a person within the department becomes aware of possible official misconduct or a criminal offence, the CMC must be notified through the manager of the Ethical Standards Unit. The CMC will assess the matter and decide whether to deal with it or alternatively refer it back to the department to deal with.
The CMC may also refer matters to the Ethical Standards Unit from:
* complaints made by the public;
* information from whistle blowers, anonymous sources or newspaper articles; or
* their own activities or intelligence sources.
Many matters come from chief executive officers of public sector agencies who have a statutory obligation to inform the CMC of any suspected official misconduct occurring in their own agency or department. The Crime and Misconduct Act 2001 requires the CMC to refer the matter to the appropriate department, wherever possible.
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No One Said you wouldn't be aware, of it i was just pointing some Key Facts out to you.
You don't have to Like Sniper to see justice done no but do you really want to place his children at risk of harm from him if granted contact?
i said Psychologist report's are accepted in Children's court not Federal court.. read my post's properly :)
No one said that Forensic Psychologist have the training to do federal court Work etc but in family court he has done many reports for the family's in custody battles or dept cases that is ordered from the judge for an assessment on the family also the dept arrange for reports directly to my husband for assessment also :)
What do you mean a case Like Mine?
Dept might fail to check on kids in the care of carer's from time to time, but like i say they are so over worked it is not funny
But yes dept have seem to got it right specially on this forum,
I have been abusive to Sniper and i have issues? have you read what sniper has said? he is being foul and gross and making child abuse a laughing matter, when it is not. he is sick. the only person that needs help is him, i have issues with him not accepting he is a abuser he knows this too..
i don't need any more help than what I'm getting thank you :) but he is the one that needs help that can't accept that he is a child abuser and he don't take it very serious.. and people can push people doesn't mean you snap like that... it is easy just shut the browser and walk away... but anyone could be doing what I'm doing in person and what would he do abuse them too.. its called keeping cool and having patience .. he is just a tool
Why should i leave him alone? he is a child abuser. and the fact is why can't he leave me alone, he continue to make foul post towards me as well he could let it die after the post's are done but he doesn't so i should not stick up for myself.. Don't think so.. i should let him talk down about my life and family... doubt it.. its a 2 way street.. but a lot of people hate child abusers.
By the way i have Handed his Replies on too my Dept worker friend and she is truly disgusted with him and is going to look into it, She said she will have a Officer look at it.
Oh Yes My father is in Jail.. he has been for the last 6 years
Yes they knew i had problems when they took my kids which was arguments in front of the kids isn't good so we signed the order along side my friend lawyer to a IPA order and the kids come home and the official notification said i was a user but that was incorrect and even dept note that in paperwork i have.. so they come home on a 12 month order and dept are happy with me and know everything my counselor and my therapist etc and they know my father is in jail and i was abused and they are happy that I'm so aware of child abuse and against it. and also to let you know I'm no longer on any order from the dept haven't for the last couple years... but i still have friends from the office :)
it ain't the dept's job to keep pedophiles off the street that is the justice system isn't it? its their job to keep parents or care givers from harming the child in any way and they do that on a daily basis.
No i am not a victim, but i was subject to child abuse, and he is now paying for the crime.
Yes Sniper and Jewels get on, funny that though since she is to protect children subject to abuse and ones that can't live with mum, and she supports a child abuser.
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Beware People
Ms69 today:
"By the way i have Handed his Replies on too my Dept worker friend and she is truly disgusted with him and is going to look into it, She said she will have a Officer look at it."
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Yes, this is who you are.
beware
Yes i truly wish i was a dept worker, then my kids would never had been taken into care.
But Beware this Information has been handed on, and this is being taken very seriously. as dept don't believe in any form of child related abuse.
Also about Sniper. a person who is pushed does not threaten sexual violence on woman and children, like he has to me and my children and threaten my family dies
That is not a normal Person, :)
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I see your confusion
"No When Long Term Placement is being Sought the child must engage in Counseling and their wishes have to be heard,"
You have read this stuff somewhere and believed it. This does not happen in reality.
A child (if of an age it can) has the "right to ask". No teeth in that one.
If younger, there is no counselling, often no one will meet the child.
Often there is no caseworker that could pick them out in a line up.
No matter how long the short term carer has had them, and it can be years, we are not even asked about the child or what sort of enviroment/family might be helpful to their futures.
No one asks if they are attached to anything or anyone, good at anything, scared of anything.
So decisions being made based on paper work, everyone at court gets paid and goes home to bed to have a big sleep.
The little kid who is terrified of dogs goes off to live with the breeders of german shepherds Long Term.
Everyone at court marvel over what a good job they did placing wee kids in such a tidy fashion.
Must be why there is the big study going on right now in to why children placed in Long Term Care do not function as well as other children in society.
It's looking at parents, schools, everything except the original uncaring idiots who first chose the new family because they looked great on paper.
Wait till NGO's truly join the game and build up their caregiver bases and it becomes even more about who makes the money, much more money to be made with an 18 year contract.
Well thank you Graham for the
Well thank you Graham for the Happy Mother's Day wish,
Hope your mother is Having one too,
Will Leave Sniper Alone, When he is being Sensible.
Why CAN'T he see dept do Do good things?
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Why are you blind.?.
for every good docs do, there is a 100 wrongs.
Why cant you smell the roses,and release your thinking is in the dark ages ?.
Lets focus on this, As today is Mommy day.
Jodie. and what Docs did to her.
aged 33,her first child. 20 odd hrs of very hard labour,Drips hanging out of her and she's in la-la land.
1:06 am on the 29th of Aug 2007, Zachary Nicholos is born.
Only 3 people touched this new baby, The mid wife,myself and the grand mother.
1:30 am. Five cops enter the birth suite, I am surrounded as the mid wife,runs off with the new born.
I am asked to leave, I Say No, what did I do?.
No response.
Yet Docs and them Cops, Hovered in the shadows of the hospital, Like vulture's ready to pounce on the Dead.
Jodie, at no time ever touched Zach, didnt breast feed him, and I watched the life flowed out of her.
I was then marched out and told not to return, unless escorted by a security guards.
I did this for 2 days,before I had to leave that city.
Those were the longest days, to watch the love drain out of jodie. she was in there a week, and didnt lay One eye on our son. I saw her go from a joyful,good hearted woman, That become dead right in front of my eyes.
As I was leaving on a bus, we chat on the ph for the last time.
I begged her,I pleaded, not to give up on me. her final words still to this day,echos and thumps away in my head.
""Please baby, Please prove who you are.Please prove yourself.""
Yes,!!! lets leave Sniper alone, he might just go away.
Lets just leave a child without a father.
Lets just leave Docs to continually punish him.
Lets Just leave all the proof he has to goto waste.
But! lets not forget. There were Women/Partners that Also suffered,Just as much as I did.
What right, Does anyone have to state who can love who?. what right is there to state, You can not be with this Man ?.
What right does anybody have to kill normal human love ?.
Yeah!!! lets leave Sniper alone, Until we wake up to ourselves, that a crime has been committed and the committer is none other then the department of child (NOT) safety.
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
sniper here it is
Cause the fact is dept do get it right time in time again, and the fact is there would be no cases with dept if there wasn't a notification and for it to be sustained and a magistrate has to approve their application so are you saying the whole govt is corrupt? HAHA yeah right,.
Well if it weren't for you Jodie would never have had her son Ripped away 30 mins after giving birth to him, you we're the Problem in this case you we're a risk and not just a small risk you we're a sexual risk to the child they dept had to act in the best interest of the child not you not the mother the child okay? and you know what what Jodie went through was sad no doubt about it but if she did everything right he would come home to her...
Sniper has no Proof, Sniper isn't and can't be a father when he takes children's rights away from them he is stripped of all parental responsibility sniper is a sexual risk to children, can't you see it?
dept have every right to tell parents what r/ships they can and can't have when it comes to the protection of children cause if the parent doesn't listen the child is removed so it's a choice that has to be made yeah?.
And if you are the person we are talking about you we're a huge sustained sexual risk to the child
Only Person that needs to wake up to reality is you sniper, the dept have protected the children from you and will do so in any you have in the future, i just hope no others are stupid enough too fall pregnant to you :)
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Thank you for your wishes Wild child
My Mother passed away some years ago now.
dont worry she had a good sense of humour GSH
I will pass your message on when I go later- Soon actually.
Perhaps later you might like to chat about our court systems and they way in which they work- or do not.
I know you have shown an interest in such mattes in the past.
You could start by reading the comment below you I left for Sniper.
Yes I would like to hear a few more facts regarding his matter.
Always rember wild child although our correct in many things you have said the law MUST protect eveybody- eventhe some times guilty:)
I think a wise man once said the law is an arse with thatin mind.
However to have a justise system that works we must always beyond a doubt know all the facts-and even then if the facts are correct but not processed properly we must er in caution and aquit.
Its is more important to protect the innocent Wild Child even IF its at the expense of seing someone leg it out the door whos as guilty as..
BTW Old Chopper is worshiped by the old school crooks- More the pity.
Mighten be in our best interests to set the boys off:)
just kidding
Graham
i Hope you have a good Visit
i Hope you have a good Visit with Your Mother, it is good to Hear she had a good sense of Humor, I'm off for a bit to have our Mother's day Meal whole lot of family here and kids love it :) But alot of cleaning for me, but will be back Shortly.
Would Love to chat about our Current Law Systems Will Follow that up when i shall Return,
I Do have a strong feeling in the Matter of Law and Courts etc
Will Find your Condiment Left for Sniper
Yeah the Facts From Sniper change all the time, at this point i couldn't be bothered anymore, he is not very Truthful.
Yeah Unfortunately the fact is the guilty Monsters too get away with crimes and sometimes sentenced but the charges are never enough IMO the Law needs to Change to Protect the Innocent More i think. but the Guilty are entitled to their rights as well don't deny that.
Yeah it is a shame when people that are guilt of a crime walk out of court guilt free = Innocent it annoys me beyond the end of anything
BTW Old Chopper is worshiped by the old school crooks- Argh not Old Chopper Read.. :)
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Act
"a State Government act being passed to give case workers the powers- pretty much of a federal court using PHYCLOIGISTS instead of PHYCATRISTS is in direct conflict of our Federal court s and ‘possible’ even in COMTEMP of them. It is quite extraordinary."
I am looking but can't find the Act or an ammendment to an Act.
This one however is dangerous:
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Schedule 1 Amendment of Children and Young
Persons (Care and Protection) Act 1998
No 157
1.1 Amendments relating to recommendations 6.2 and 10.1
[1] Section 23 Child or young person at risk of significant harm
Omit “at risk of harm”. Insert instead “at risk of significant harm”.
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Cases of neglect build up with reports over time with things that would only be reported under "risk of harm".
*Persons (Care and
*Persons (Care and Protection) Act 1998
No 157
1.1 Amendments relating to recommendations 6.2 and 10.1
[1] Section 23 Child or young person at risk of significant harm
Omit “at risk of harm”. Insert instead “at risk of significant harm”.*
There is nothing even slightly sinister in that.
It goes to cause of action.
If aything hat would PROTECT theclient orperson being investgated by DOCS
It has no bareing on the matter raised
I posted on this forum the 'ACT ' Changed which was ammeded in State Parliment which i was refering to around two weeks ago..
Lets not complicate what Iam trying to explain to Sniper.
Its very easy to become confused when you have little knowledge of courts
I am also surprsided to see 'you posting' today on mothers day
hope you enjoy the time with your family
.
Graham
Person care and protection act
*Persons (Care and Protection) Act 1998
No 157
1.1 Amendments relating to recommendations 6.2 and 10.1
[1] Section 23 Child or young person at risk of significant harm
Omit “at risk of harm”. Insert instead “at risk of significant harm”.*
does it really matter if it is “at risk of harm” instead “at risk of significant harm”.* the main thing is the client/s are being investigated and right decision is being made on the basis on available evidence of the alleged abuse.
The legislation introduces a broad definition of a child at risk of harm. This includes concerns for the safety, welfare or well being of the child or young person (less than 18 years old) because:
basic physical or psychological needs are not being met;
the parents or other caregivers have not arranged and are unable or unwilling to arrange; for necessary medical care
the child or young person has been, or is at risk of being, physically abused or ill-treated;
the child or young person is living in a household where there have been incidents of domestic violence and, as a consequence, the child or young person is at risk of serious physical or psychological harm;
a parent or other caregiver has behaved in such a way towards the child or young person that the child or young person has suffered or is at risk of suffering serious psychological harm.
Chapter 2 Protection of children
Part 1 Children at risk of harm
14 Chief executive may investigate alleged harm
(1) If the chief executive becomes aware (whether because of
notification given to the chief executive or otherwise) of
alleged harm or alleged risk of harm to a child and reasonably
suspects the child is in need of protection, the chief executive
must immediately—
(a) have an authorized officer investigate the allegation and
assess the child’s need of protection;
or
(b) take other action the chief executive considers
appropriate.
Editor’s note—
Section 22 provides for protection from civil liability for persons, who,
acting honestly, notify or give information about suspected harm to a
child.
(2) If the chief executive reasonably believes alleged harm may
have involved the commission of a criminal offense relating
to the child, the chief executive must immediately give details
of the alleged harm to the police commissioner.
15 Child’s parents to be told about allegation of harm and outcome of investigation
(1) An authorized officer or police officer who is investigating an
allegation of harm, or risk of harm, to a child, or assessing the
child’s need of protection because of the allegation must give
details of the alleged harm or risk of harm to at least 1 of the child’s parents.
(2) Also, as soon as practicable after completing the
investigation, the officer must—
(a) tell at least 1 of the child’s parents about the outcome of
the investigation; and
(b) if asked by the parent—give the information in writing to the parent.
(3) However, if the officer reasonably believes—
(a) someone may be charged with a criminal offense for the harm to the child and the officer’s compliance with
subsection (1) or (2) may jeopardize an investigation
into the offense;
or
(b) compliance with the subsection may expose the child to harm;
the officer need only comply with the subsection to the extent
the officer considers is reasonable and appropriate in the particular circumstances.
16 Contact with child at immediate risk of harm
(1) This section applies if—
(a) an authorized officer or police officer is investigating an
allegation of harm, or risk of harm, to a child; and
(b) the officer has been denied contact with the child or can
not reasonably gain entry to the place where the officer
reasonably believes the child is;
and
(c) the officer reasonably suspects the child—
(i) is at immediate risk of harm; or
(ii) is likely to leave or be taken from a place and
suffer harm if the officer does not take immediate
action.
(2) The officer may exercise the following powers—
(a) enter the place;
(b) search the place to find the child;
(c) remain in the place, and have contact with the child for as long as the officer reasonably considers necessary for investigating the allegation.
(3) The officer may exercise a power under subsection (2) with
the help, and using the force, that is reasonable in the
circumstances.
(4) At the first reasonable opportunity, the officer must record,
in a register kept for the purpose by the department or the
Queensland Police Service, full details about the exercise of
the powers and other actions taken by the officer.
17 Contact with children in school, child care centre, family
day care etc.
(1) This section applies if—
(a) an authorized officer or police officer is investigating an
allegation of harm, or risk of harm, to a child; and
(b) the officer reasonably believes—
(i) it is in the child’s best interests that the officer has
contact with the child before the child’s parents are
told about the investigation; and
(ii) the child’s parents knowing in advance about the
proposed contact with the child is likely to
adversely affect or otherwise prevent the proper
and effective conduct of the investigation; and
(c) the child is at a school, or place where child care is
provided, when the officer is to have contact with the
child; and
(d) the officer has lawfully entered, and is lawfully
remaining at, the school or place.
(2) The officer may have contact with the child for as long as the
officer reasonably considers necessary for investigating the allegation.
(3) Before exercising a power under subsection (2), the officer
must notify the principal or other person in charge of the
school or place of the intention to exercise the power.
(4) As soon as practicable after the officer has had contact with
the child, the officer must tell at least 1 of the child’s parents
that the officer has had contact with the child and the reasons for the contact.
(5) The officer’s obligation under subsection (4) to give reasons
for the contact with the child is limited to the extent the officer
considers is reasonable and appropriate in particular
circumstances if the officer reasonably believes—
(a) someone may be charged with a criminal offense for
harm to the child and the officer’s compliance with the
subsection may jeopardize an investigation into the
offense; or
(b) compliance with the subsection may expose the child to harm.
(6) Also, at the first reasonable opportunity, the officer must
record, in a register kept for the purpose by the department or
the Queensland Police Service, full details about the exercise of the powers and other actions taken by the officer.
Child at immediate risk may be taken into custody
(1) This section applies if—
(a) an authorized officer or police officer is investigating an allegation of harm, or risk of harm, to a child; and
(b) the officer reasonably believes the child is at risk of
harm and the child is likely to suffer harm if the officer
does not immediately take the child into custody.
(2) The officer may take the child into the chief executive’s custody.
(3) For subsection (2), the officer may—
(a) enter the place where the officer reasonably believes the child is; and
(b) search the place to find the child; and
(c) remain in the place for as long as the officer reasonably considers is necessary to find the child.
(4) The officer may exercise a power under subsection (2) or
(3) with the help, and using the force, that is reasonable in the circumstances.
(5) The officer must, as soon as practicable, apply for a temporary assessment order for the child.
(6) Also, the officer may arrange a medical examination of, or for medical treatment for, the child that is reasonable in the circumstances.
Editor’s note—
Section 97 (Carrying out medical examinations or treatment) applies to
the medical examination or treatment
.
(7) The chief executive’s custody of the child ends on the earlier
of the following to happen—
(a) the application for the temporary assessment order for the child is decided;
(b) 8 hours elapses after the child is taken into custody.
So Much more stuff and Key Points you can check out at
http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGISLTN/CURRENT/C/ChildProtectA99.pdf
Also check out the Child Protection Regulation
2000 http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGISLTN/CURRENT/C/ChildProtectR00.pdf
Children s Court Rules 1997 http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGISLTN/CURRENT/C/ChildrensCtRu97.pdf
Oh When i was Posting was When every one was Having a Smoke Break LOL Thanks it was a nice Day but very Hectic.
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Graham Please Explain
No 157
1.1 Amendments relating to recommendations 6.2 and 10.1
[1] Section 23 Child or young person at risk of significant harm
Omit “at risk of harm”. Insert instead “at risk of significant harm”.*
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MS69's Reply: "does it really matter if it is “at risk of harm” instead “at risk of significant harm”.* the main thing is the client/s are being investigated and right decision is being made on the basis on available evidence of the alleged abuse."
Graham, since she will argue with me until blue in the face for no other reason than her own sense of worth.
Could you please get through to her that if it didn't matter they would not have bothered making the Ammendment.
The word significant ironically is actually SIGNIFICANT.
Kid goes to school some days - no report made
Shows up dirty - no report made
Lice for months - no report made
Untreated sores - no report made
Unchecked ilnnesses - no report made
Loss of wieght - no report made
Years of nothing "significant" enough to report on.
Child dies.
Suddenly someone reports this "significant" outcome.
DoCS hadn't even heard of this kid cause no one ever reported anything because an ammendment was made. There was no right or wrong decision, just misery leading to death that no one needed to report on because no one understood why that one word was so SIGNIFICANT!
But it is okay because at least the hotline was no longer overloaded.
Jewely
Why talk like I'm not her... ask graham to talk to me etc.. got something to say just say it and be upfront.
Well weather it is Significant or Just risk of harm, doesn't really matter to me to be honest as long as reports are being made of the abuse occurring and a notification is being assessed and dealt with and the child does come into care if at risk of harm.
all should that does matter, and not let a child suffer at hands of anyone abusing them no matter who they are, all abuse should be reported weather it is significant or not if you are not sure ring them and make sure, after all it is a community objective to get everyone involved with reporting suspected child abuse :)
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"all should that does matter, and not let a child suffer at hands of anyone abusing them no matter who they are, all abuse should be reported weather it is significant or not if you are not sure ring them and make sure, after all it is a community objective to get everyone involved with reporting suspected child abuse"
C'mon you serious? I got my daughter to understand this with less words.
The problem is that cases of neglect will not be reported because of this ommision in the amendment of the word significant.
Mandatory reporting came in to being because schools and hospitals etc were not reporting so they made it MANDATORY.
The theory of "oh as long as people do the right thing" is not reality hence the reason for the Laws/Acts in the first place.
Anarchy is a great theory, even an idealistic way of being. But few do manage to Police their Own Actions.
Sniper as Sacrifice
I get the feeling of not being able to have kids, but not the circumstances like you have experienced.
But, and seriously I am about as far removed from religion as a human can be, what if this was Gods plan?
What if he didn't want you to be a dad and has another plan for you that you're not carrying out?
To find out you'd have to be out of your self imposed prison looking for what he wants you to do?
Too many Sacifice's me things.
There is many couples, that cant have kids and will goto any length to obtain.
Then you have people like me and possible M: and others, that either from birth to some other date in time, the child dies.
More tragic if this Child dies at the hands of Pedos and dept workers/Carers.
Even more tragic handing a child back to be re_ganged raped, Handy back to Knowing abuses and the Child is either raped or killed or both.
Dont you think I have asked that very same Question ???.
Why. Why did god allow me to have more kids, to find love and then its all taking away.
That be like meeting you, you get to like me, you find love in me and then you fall in love. so far that roughly a year,maybe two. you see everything I do, your with me, 24/7, I dont abuse you, I dont 2 time on you, and I dont hit you.
Then we get a visit from DOCs and Cops, Then dont ever question me, but they tell you, Im a kid frker,they tell you, I abuse anything that walks. you defend,cause you love and trust me and believe in me, DOCS then give you a choice, remove me from the home or they will take that kids. Now,let people here (females) place themselves in that position(Like my Partners had to) with their man they are with now. Who will you choose.?.
When you can understand that, then you know my pains.
I ask that same question also,upon release from prison, Whats MY purpose. to live on the streets,to be branded,to lose love,to lose children,to lose self respect,to be attacked in all manners of attacks.to be alone. If thats gods plan, SO be it. Then I am not the one that is being tested. That Parable of the Samaritan,I gave, proves my point,to how christ told it would be.
Was it Gods Plan to have 4 females be filled with hate?. was it gods plan to have children without the true father ?.
I dont have them answers.
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Some people that can't have
Some people that can't have kids either Adopt or Foster..
No Tragic is the child dies in the hands of a pedo not dept and carers they are just doing their job.
sorry dept don't usually hand children back to known such offenders as that.
God is not taking the children away. you are pushing the children away from your past abuse of the abuse to the child its that simple. you had sex with the minor as per my linkage to the abuse as i said before risk of sexual abuse.
Some Pedo's hide their covers and tracks really well not to be court. but if i believed you i would support you no matter what, but your stories aren't to true as the facts change all the time,
the first opinion would be easy i would choose the children and any mother that doesn't is stupid.
Your rights we're taken away the minute you violated the 15 yo old child and had sex with her, her child hood was taken away from her, you pay the price for the crime you committed but you see . if you didn't do that things might have been different,
just because you are the biological father doesn't mean you are the 'true' father anyone can father a child but it takes a TRUE man to be a father!
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Dont you just regret the words you say.
No Tragic is the child dies in the hands of a pedo not dept and carers they are just doing their job.
( Say what ???????. Oh! boy, you really do need to get out. obtain the statistic,say from 1960 to 2009, of the death of children in the care of Docs and carers and not only death, but also the abuse. Some of us are the Living Statistics, that remember being a test rat,having probes placed on you. Some of us remember the abuse we receive while in the care of Docs and carers,There is NO difference tween a pedo and Docs,they both abuse,they are both in our society.)
sorry dept don't usually hand children back to known such offenders as that.
(I was going to run you down to the max:,,dont usually. should be, never again...tell that to that 12 yr old that did get handed back to be ganged raped twice.that 12 yr old girl at bribie island, should I continue ?. or do you finally get that picture ?.)
God is not taking the children away.(,true, DOCs do that,Thinking there are a God) you are pushing the children away from your past abuse of the abuse to the child its that simple. (huh????) you had sex with the minor as per my linkage to the abuse as i said before risk of sexual abuse.( as a person could also be a risk of being a murder, a terrorist,a bank robber, a thief. You dont see those coming forward to tell they are just that, do you. Yet I am branded right out of conception, I am continually punished over and over for the same crime I paid for many times over, I get death threats and have been attacked,due to people taking the law into their own hands just on heresay and cops do jack shit about it. I really could understand all this shit, if that girl was 5 yrs old. we all,all know that most 15 yr olds are having sex and if not younger, MMMMMMMM ????. Why condemn me a 100 fold to something I admit I did wrong and Never frking happened ever a frking again,,,oppssss,I swore. wonder why ?.)
Some Pedo's hide their covers and tracks really well not to be court.
(What part of myself havnt you understood ?. when I say, I want to be in a """"COURT"""" room,Can I scream any louder ??????into your deaf ear ?.
but if i believed you i would support you no matter what,
(yeah!!!! right, I heard this story so many times before--someone should write a song about that.)
but your stories aren't to true as the facts change all the time,
(yeah-yeah, white girl, is that you have a hard concept to understand the truth when it pokes you in the eyes, That word Retard keeps popping up in my mind :) )
Your rights we're taken away the minute you violated the 15 yo old child and had sex with her,
( yaps, that word Retard,soz, cant help it, Retard.)
her child hood was taken away from her,
(her childhood was taking at age 5, and no retard, wasnt me.)
you pay the price for the crime you committed but you see . if you didn't do that things might have been different,
(if I didnt do that, I wouldnt be here, and I know for a fact, I would of had a family and continued with my life and try to be apart of society)
Again I say to you and all the others, Until you See with your own eyes, you all will be forever "Doubting Thomas".
People find it so hard to admit when they are so wrong and the words of sorry can not flow fast enough from their mouths.
(bugga, That is a good Quote :) )
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
I am here.
I am going crosseyed. Been on another sight with big brains and having to look up words and print out posts to even keep up. I am desperatly trying to understand how things work and learn fast. But anyway...
Sniper.
You have my sympathy, always have, I'm not going anywhere and whether you are angry, frustrated, hurt, pissed off, weeping or bleeding all over the place I am here.
You don't trust this but I don't need you to and I don't need you to like me.
I am here.
Your need to argue and defend yourself, although understandable, leads you to be baited again and again by others for their amusement.
I suspect if you keep it up you may find someone that can be of REAL help. I'm not telling you to stop defending yourself, I think the more you do it the closer you come to better and better arguements.
I would love it if you focused more on the delivery, the practise of convincing people and debating without leaving an opening.
See I like arguments, cheer me up no end but if something or someone is really important I will go from insulting, messing with someone, to really convincing them.
You, I feel, need to utterly convince and learn some skills to assist you.
I would really prefer you weren't in a strop because I said Happy Birthday.
Hey tomorrow you can tell me Happy Mothers Day (upsets me no end and reminds me of all the little kids I have had that are gone).
Oh shit - Ms69 will be sure to use that one.
Here, is too far away.
Sounds like Jewley: theres more of your thinking of me then meets the eye. Pity your at a distance.
What makes you think,I am the bait :), Im not the one being a hypocrite.
Trust comes in many formats, so does like and love.
A squeaky wheel, sooner or later will be oiled.
All anyone really needs to think about, What "If" Sniper, is telling the truth ?. instead of trying to find fault.
Debating is good, we share opinions, But, with Docs there is no debate,Unless in a court room.
Truth,dont need any form of any skills.
there was no happy at all on that day, called a birthday. I have No attention to say happy mothers day to anyone.
but I will say, have a good week end.
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
To Sniper from the Pied Piper
Sorry - can't get that car add out of my head.
I do think about you. Often I think I have a handle on what you're doing, saying, wanting. Then you tell me how wrong I have it. Fair enough really.
This Chopper Read thing. I think I'd enjoy being Lara Croft for a bit, just one day of taking no crap from anyone.
How was your weekend? Mine was full of discussions about DoCS with a teenage foster child (not usually the age group I have).
She'd probably make a better Lara Croft than me but does need a better understanding of the department and how to get what she wants/needs.
Your story about a teenage girl is very similar to her own story, for right or wrong she would not critise you.
Jewely :) I shell call you Bunny.
Im not that hard to read, my words backs my actions and my actions governs to who I am.
Ya, Chopper is the real deal, Lara is a fantasy, but, mmmmm!,if I really had to choose a alter ego, then it be the Hulk.
The week end is shit, over casted and been somewhat of rain.
But,!!! and even a WOW!!!!, I happened to stumble upon a Brother that I havnt seen since the early 90's and that was only last night, that I fall over him, The net,lo, and people you can find when not looking.
I take it, you dont have kids of your own?. the dept is not that hard to understand, They have a portfolio to destroy families and love.
I feel so anger and hurt all in one motion, when I see to how DOCs chooses to help and choose to attack. that teenage girl, is now a lost cause, each time we get to chat,she tells me to how docs and she now uses my word of Retard to Docs,when Docs wont lift a finger to help her. she cant even get to see her two younger sisters(also touched as she was) and she blames herself to what happened, she buries herself in grog and in drugs, hangs with Speed freaks, she tells me it helps her to forget,her mom, gee!!!,is a good mom, shes there for her and she tells me how much it hurts her,that she cant help her daughter to get back on track.
I tell the mom, there is nothing we can do, only be here,when she decides to come back to reality.
Wayz, ya be safe and catch up.
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
if YOU COULD choose a Alter
if YOU COULD choose a Alter Ego.. you would be Hulk. HUH DON'T insult the idea of that, ....you do have ALTER EGO'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU SERIOUSLY..
YOU THINK YOU CAN HAVE SEX WITH A MINOR AND EVERYTHING WILL BE OH SO FINE AND YOU WILL BE ALOUD TO BE A FATHER.. THE DAY YOU HURT THE CHILD THE DAY YOUR RIGHTS WE'RE STRIPPED...
YOU ARE LIKE TWO FACE....
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Bunny?
Is this a good thing Sniper?
Ah my own kids, yeah two. Girl is 17, Jennie and lives at home, complete horror of a teenager. Everyone likes her. She drives me nuts.
Jordan is my boy, 18 - works in Sydney, big brain with computers and landed himself a very nice contract for a young fella. Moved out of home and living with his 17 year old girlfriend. Nice girl, very cute couple. Bless them, they think they're grown ups.
Mostly neither Jord nor Jen have a use for me. This pleases me.
Other carers have warned me to put up and shut up where the department is concerned. I have nothing to loose, they can have Jennie.[smile]
A brother? Like you stumbled on a blood brother? How cools is that, wow bet that was a hell of a catch up.
You come across as angry and hurt, comes in loud and clear baby. The other stuff comes through as well, how much you craved a family and were happy for awhile being a father. Grief, loss. Given what you have been put through it would be weird if all these emotions weren't going on.
I have no idea how you really manage, I'd be sucking up valium every few minutes.
The poor teenager, hope she does come back.
Oh yeah - forgot Chopper was real. The Hulk ya say? Lucky for Graham and Ms69 that you're not. Oh I got it - that chick on the X-men movies the one that can change who she looks like. I wanna be her.
Bunny is good.
Yaps, as good as it will ever get......
Sounds a bit like my eldest son. everybody likes or loves him. ya, he drove me nuts to.
your kids are 17, Docs cant do shit.
ya, blood brother. I have 3 bros and 9 sisters, maybe 10, not sire about the last one.....
Yes, I am anger and yes, I am hurting, not just for losing my kids and my woman, but also with society,being so hypocritical.
With law and government, But, not once, not ever,did I take this anger out on my woman or the kids, that I am with.
Yes, it was Oh! so very good to be wanted,just for me, it felt so sweet to be loved, just for me, yes, I really do crave it.not only being a father,but being a somebody to someone.
I bury myself on this computer and play online games, I hate going outside, I hate going to shops, I hate,living the way I do.
Its my faith, nothing more, that keeps me sane, slowly,hope disappears, and when that does, so do I.
that teenager, knows what she is doing, at 15, to go out there and just pick up men 3 times her own age. She knows what she wants and gets it. she reminds me, of that teenager that I got sent to prison for. yet, Docs here knows to what shes doing and lets it happen. that in itself,really piss's me off. how docs can turn a blind eye to one and kill another.
No, Valium is man made drug, that alters the mind, I tend to stay away from man made drugs.
Of cause Chopper is real, its his attitude I wished I had.
Wild: is nothing more then a molested retard, that hasnt got over it.
mmmm, X-men...pass, let me Ponder ............ got it, Ghost rider(Nicholas Cage), look into my eyes and feel the pain, Redemption is coming for you. now that would have Wild, thinking of all her sins she has committed from the age of walking. that will also have each and every docs worker on edge.
Now, Bunny, how can I obtain a date with you :P~~~~~~
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Ghostrider
I get that, would be great if people could look at you and immediatly see their own sins. Stop a hell of a lot of rock thowing in this particular Glass House.
Oh a date? I am flattered but yes married. Also stuck at home alot like you but obviously different reasons.
Wonder if we'll be sitting online in 20 years saying remember that person back then that said that thing and then I said that and shit it was funny. Actually that kit kat line is going to stick in my mind forever.
I also understand being something to someone, especially little ones. Teaching them stuff, caring just for the joy of caring.
You have a huge family, you in contact with most of them? Are your parents still around? Where is your eldest boy these days?
Personally I like a bit of mind altering. Used throughout history to help us humans try to think outside the square, talk to our Gods. I think alcohol dulls the mind though.
Yes, see I only got to Oz three years ago so Chopper Read, although I had seen the movie I hadn't really front brained who he was. Must have been years ago that I saw the movie too.
So tell me about your day - like from when you wake up until going to bed again, what do you do with yourself?
My new neighbours are outside screaming at the kids... classic morning routine. The other morning, you know households and mornings with school kids. Mum actually did it, kid wasn't ready so she drove off taking the other ones to school.
About a 7 or 8 year old girl comes running out of the house too late and was literally jumping up and down at the end of the drive way screaming.
Me being me had a a giggle to myself.
jewely
The only Person that has sins, is Sniper he Had sex with a child under the age of 16 why can't you see.. and you are suppose to be a foster carer that is suppose to protect these abused children... Geez
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No one stable wants Choppers
No one stable wants Choppers Attitude you tool, and you obviously don't know much about him like i said.
Well you are Charming, i am a molested retard? nah sniper stop talking about yourself... and i wouldn't go around calling children that have been molested retards when they grow up? you know this is not a matter to talk such filth about it is a growing epidemic in our society.. at least this Molested Retard didn't screw a under age Girl... :)
HA you will never fill the Shoes of Ghost Rider... you are one funny tool... so a innocent child can commit sins from the age of walking please enlighten me on this theory of yours LOL a child doesn't understand right from wrong you fool.. at the just walking... no sins we're committed maybe picking at me you have something sinister to feel bad about did you molest one of your children when they we're walking and blamed the child having sins why you molested them?
Look out Jewely he wants a date with you now... sorry she is Married, but don't think he wants you for you.. he is only after the target you carry the children not older ones the young ones so look out .. that is why he spends all his time online and inside the computer he Grooms kids online...
Got the Perfect Movie for Sniper... Towel Head... you play the role of Travis Vuoso oh and you are a child abuser!! i didn't know you we're a movie star should have told me... :)
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hulk
Lucky for For what sniper isn't Hulk? Who is Scared of Hulk anywayz? i would be More Scared of Batman or the Joker tbo... LOL
that chick on the X-men movies is 'Mystique'
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sniper facts
The fact is Sniper you wanting to be Chopper read is seriously deranged you are one messed up person,
i understanding wanting to be Lara croft that is understandable, but chopper read is a druggie and abuser how can you even compare the two together? yes he was a state of the ward and abused child but that gives him no right to do what he done, and as you have a mind frame of wanting to be this person you are seriously deluded
i wouldn't let you around my dog let alone my children.
You are a child abuser and it is simple, psychology that leads me to that decision you are always saying how dept stole your family you are a victim, you are a victim for going to jail. you are victim from dept hands, you are a victim to the girl you abused.
you are a victim to depression that caused you to have sex and commit child abuse to the girl
You are a victim to the dept lies and paperwork
You are a victim to the police
You are a victim in these accusations of being a child abuser.
But the fact is you can't accept responsibility for anything which leads me to the fact you are scapegoating and not taking any responsibility for any of your actions at all that are true to face of anyone,
You Had sex with a minor =child abuse.
Dept made it quiet clear you are a risk to your children = took them away and rightfully so.
you have previous criminal history = you had sex with a underage girl you are repeating criminal activities but this time it was child abuse.
All the females in your life left= if this wasn't true why leave? cause they know what the dept are saying is true and the felt the need to protect their children and rightfully so.
Can't you see the patten I'm putting out to you all do you need it in more detail?
An i will continue to criticize you until you accept responsibility and stop scapegoating saying its everybody Else's fault.
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And you want to be a DOCs worker, For shame.
Facts is, you twist things to suit your retarded thinking, Yaps, Im back to that, cause dont matter how much I do try to fathom your thinking, all I come up with is "retard".
I Stated, I like to have the attitude of chopper, instead of being this weak pussy, that lets retards like you, think they can just walk all over me.
your still forever playing in your shitty kitty litter, isnt that classed as a unfit person ?.
Wild: I really hate to see your family tree, for its a cactus patch all full of pricks.
Your a victim that never came to terms with being molested. you are more the danger, for you could snap at anytime. and you will become the abuser,as you are now.
I wouldnt touch your dog either, let alone little retards of you.
Your a retard to 100% and a frk wit to boot
I bet you really did enjoy being touched and wont admit you liked it.
Maybe you should of committed suicide, then you be one less mouth to feed in this recession.
Personally I really do hope, some parts of your Family, ups and dies, Then you can blame me, cause I QUOTED it. then I can add you to my list that I am a victim to your retard attitude. Ill take the responsiblity of cursing you and your family.
And I will continue to demoralize you until you accept your a retard.
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Sniper you are a sick person
The thing is Sniper, the only person Twisting things is you. then when you are caught out and find you are not telling the truth, you come for a count of attack and a mouthful of abuse.
This is the same thing the dept are saying and i can't agree more you are a very sick and unstable Person.
CAN'T COPE with criticism and day to day things in life you are a danger to yourself and to society.
so if a kid said the same thing i am saying to you are you gonna call them names too and abuse them? see the patten as i explained earlier...
You know Nothing About Chopper Clearly, But you have this Theory you are the Victim yet again,see you portray yourself in other people and advents etc when will you see you are not the Victim here stop playing the Victim, you are the perpetrator, the child you had sex with is the Victim.
if you Made sense about the kitty litter Comment , i would be able to answer you. but you clearly are unfit and can not cope with Reality. You should really go get a mental health Assessment, Might do you wonders. I Have Had Many health Assessment's and mine are all clear but thanks for your Concern :)
My Family Tree it Quiet Fine, Thank you for Your Concern the only Prick was My Father But as he is Behind bars that isn't a problem and that is where you should be too, i would hate to see your children's family tree with you being in the tree we would have to place your name as from DAD TO ' PEDOPHILE' THAT suits more the title in the matter,
I Have had Years of THERAPY and still do, i see him every Week and i am Quiet fine, he says I'm coping fine and my Social Worker says the same thing, and the dept all ready has a risk Assessment done Before the Children came Home and Clear as Day, But thanks for Concern :) The only Danger is you Sniper and you know it you had sex with a minor under 16 and you know the dept had all rights to think you would molest your own children as the patten of abusive Behavior and the criminal activity and the sex with a minor it all Links up to you being the offender and you are more than likely going to molest your own children, and thank god for the dept them poor little children are now safe with loving family.
Well My kids are not little retards as you put it. But you are clear to me that you are a abusive Pedophile. and you can't take it when you are found out like when you we're charged and when the dept took the kids you like to play the Victim Role like any Pedophile likes to play... :)
You need to make Insults make Sense and not some Sniper Lingo... The only person that is the Scum is some Pedophile i know 'YOU'
Nah didn't like being touched at all... a girl at 5 doesn't like her daddy to screw her now does she?
So now you are telling me to commit suicide? Wow that is Lovely you know what would be good if every Pedophile of likes of Yourself was to be shot and that would stop the govt having to pay to feed the dogs like yourself..
So now you are wanting someone in my Family to Die? Wow that is someone stable and should be around KIDS not! you are the most sickest and unstablest person i have ever come come across and when you are found out you get nasty. and you like playing the victim role when you should be playing the 'pedophile' as that is what you would be given half the chance :)
My Family is Fine thank you.. But the Cursing is Pathetic but thanks for being such a immature Tool.
YOU no what I'm so glad the dept have done what they have done you deserve every bit of it and more.. i hope you suffer for what you have said ... :)
And I will continue to demoralize you until you accept your a sex offender
Wild Flower
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Your day will come
if you had brians for cotton wool, you wouldnt have enough there to make a tampon.
and I hope a 1000 fleas of a camel infest your armpits.
your the reason to why people commit suicide.
your no better then a rent-a-friend.
wasnt that sometime like when you were molested, deep down you enjoyed every moment of it,to have this retarded attitude.
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Your day will come
IF YOU HAD BRAINS AT ALL YOU WOULDN'T MAKE SUCH FOUL COMMENTS. YOU ARE SICK.
and i hope the police put you away for life.
And i hope you get caught grooming those children you sit online pretending to be someone else.
Your the reason people do commit suicide when they find
out you molested their little ones,
How was i ever a rent a friend? i was never your friend see you are deluded yet again...
Oh yes a child likes to feel violated and raped and screwed by her father she enjoyed every bloody moment of it , you are a sick man fancy saying something like that to someone that was abused.. now i know why you abused that girl you said she was abused at 5 .. i know what you we're thinking.. i hope you fall over and break your neck in and your legs and never be able to walk or eat again :) better yet do us all favor and euthanize yourself :) pedophiles are not wanted here. :)
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Hurt and Hurtful
Didn't you and Sniper have a fun evening.
Problem with kids that leads to so much confusion when society tells them they are a victim and were abused is that often some parts did feel good.
Grooming in itself is how the child is set-up to be loyal (not tell), and like (even love) the abuser.
If you stop and think for a bit... this one off that Sniper speaks of does not seem to fall in to this catagory. He is not a pedophile and the accusation is unfair and cruel.
From everything he has said I cannot see where he did "harm" another human. Sad but she was already damaged and he probably did her no good but certainly no further harm. She on the hand seemed to create much harm in his life and he's not cross with her.
Yes I know he hasn't been nice back to you in messages but you did set him up and I did attempt to warn him.
Making him your outlet for rage you feel towards another is perfectly understandable to me but I don't think you are going to like yourself very much if you go back over messages and have a look.
Was this the person you wanted to be?
Every converstaion I see you start out being super sweet and nice and they fall for it then you start with the questions just to attack their answers and let them know where they went wrong and how right the department was.
When loosing an argument your last attempt of a percieved "win" for yourself is to try bludgeoning people with your own sad history of abuse - this will always backfire on an audience you have already attempted to cause pain to with your accusations.
And seriously, unless ones own grammar is beyond reproach you should not even go near the whole thing you often do where you tell people to use paragraphs and spell correctly or complain about the layout of their messages.
Smiley faces after being mean? Really? Like it adds to the hurt or makes you feel superior because you can be cruel and you want them to think you're sitting there laughing at them?
Is this who you are?
If the reason you are here and on P4P trying to hurt parents with these tactics is because you first came looking for me I really do apologise to everyone.
jewely
Nah Not A FUN EVENING, but a interesting one.
No one Feels good when they have been abused ever, and i can tell you this being abused is not a matter to jke about it is very serious matter.
No I said he is grooming children online on the internet pretending he is someone else to meet them one day and take advantage of the them like he did with the other girl
You don't see him as a pedophile. that is your call but i do you see.. she was 15 under legal age legal age is 16 so he had sex with a child under the age of 16 = child abuse he may have been charged for CN but in the eyes of everything he is a pedophile he had sex with a child, and who is too say he couldn't have sex with his own child at 5 or 8? or what ever age? see there is a risk the dept seen a linkage as any psychologist will tell you the same that he is a future risk to the children, and if he was to get a risk assessment he would fail as he has a prior child related offenses..
He has harmed this Girl she already did have a stuffed up childhood so he went and had sex with this child and he caused no further harm to her? i would think so she received a victim compensation so some harm was deemed to happen to her right? and he knew she already had child abuse issues but that didn't stop him having sex with her, he is a monster and there is no other way at looking him, he is a child abuser.
She did not Create any harm to his life... he slept with her and he has stuffed her life. she is the victim not him. she received compensation she is the victim.
the only person that ruined his life is Himself. he had sex with this child and he abused this child, he did the wrong thing and he is not the victim here he is always playing, the girl is, and what he done is the reasons he was stripped of being around his kids he is a sexual risk to his kids and he could molest them,
Well if you warned him, he never listens WHAT else is new? but i did not set him up, i tell it straight and how it is no beating around the bush, the fact is there can be a seen linkage between having sex with a child at 15 and having sex with his own that is why the dept took them.. and rightfully so
I Have no anger with myself. i have anger with him being a sick child abuser and not taking responsibility and trying to play the victim role all the time he is not a victim, i think he should read over some of the child abuse related material he has written, no wonder the dept took his kids if he has a mindset like that?
He Might want to watch himself and his mouth in the future, some serious statements being made about child abuse.
I am the person i want to be and very happy thank you :)
cause i start out nice cause you hear how bad the dept have been and got it so wrong and they are all a victim, then you hear more facts that don't add up to them being a victim, so of course my support wouldn't last with them as they are not being truthful and in some cases dept are right to be involved.
it ain't no Win to talk about Abuse that will backfire,
you see abuse should never be joked about, its not a matter to joke about it is serious and children are harmed and it is a hard fact. but the fact is sniper is a low life that prowls on laughing at child abuse, so that means he doesn't take what he has done too seriously now does he?
i complain about messages when they are all hunched together and try to read them it is quiet hard. but you can't talk either, i have seen some weird stuff from you :)
But as a foster carer i would have expected more of you, you are protecting a sex offender that had dealings with a child relating to child abuse, and you are suppose to protect these children, geez makes me wonder now :)
No the Smiles are too be Nice.. at the end of a sentence, it just i am telling it as i see it, weather they like it or not :)
Why would i come after you... after all you are a foster carer and i am for the dept and carer's and if you think about it logically that don't make sense :)
Parents need a wake up call sometimes too see the problems they have caused and they are the reason they we're in care.. its easy fix with problem and they come home..
And why all the Questions for me... Don't you think its Sniper's turn :)
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People might say what 'if' he
People might say what 'if' he is telling the truth, but they might say also what 'if' he isn't the truth that points to the last one you we're charged for child abuse.
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your still a retard
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DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
sniper is exposed!!
Did you Run Out of excuse's Sniper, or is it that you have Been Exposed for the The child Abuser that you really are? :)
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Yes, you saw my Ballz.
admit it....you want me bad,, huh.
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Yes, you saw my Ballz.
Yeah i really want a child abuser so bad, Yeah would make my day .. Far out you are so far up in the clouds .. you are seriously deluded you need help.. no one acts the way you do..
go get some help.. No one wants a sick child abuser. i hate child abusers :)
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Well Jewely for a matter of
Well Jewely for a matter of fact i won't use it against you, you would miss them children since you cared for them for s long, after all you we're there foster mother :)
And Sniper doesn't need to defend himself, if he was being himself people would see, but everyone is entitled to their opinion on this site, but no need to take it personally, but calling people retards isn't very mature and he needs to learn to keep his cool...
No one is baiting Sniper at all.. asking Questions and giving him honest answers,
All you are wanting is Picking since you make snide remarks to me that much is clear :)
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RESPONSE TO SNIPER
if you we're a abused child in care and received abuse you know that know you can make a suit and sue the govt ? And like i said abuse come from all sources .. from police, lawyers, drs, dept (in some cases yes) but i tell you this dept don't even come close to a pedo in comparison to alleged abuse and while some dept workers are careless of their position's they still don't abuse kids intentionally maybe time restrictions and lack of educated carer's and not enough time and over worked all plays a part in why they fail sometimes :)
And if you we're abused child Sniper the dept have issues with pattens of abuse.
well like i said sometimes the dept do fail, when they are so over worked and under staffed and tend to make quick decisions that sometimes set people up to fail at times, this should never have happened this is a big failure, but maybe he has changed his ways and is a good citizen now in the eyes of the dept and they are the one making the decisions so only they know why they placed her back with him :)
Well that is sad they are taking laws in to their own hands should not happen but i will tell you this, terrorist and bank robbers don't happen to have a linkage or a chance they may sexually offend children do they Sniper? they are acts that are wrong and should be punished if it we're to happen, but you don't see the picture dept took your kids cause you had sex with a minor and there we're sustained risk to your children if you we're to carry out the sex with them. so they had to act in the best interest and welfare of your children at the time, you paid for it yes but the fact is they had to act for the children, if the children can't voice who is going to do it for them? the dept? see? and most children at 15 are having sex in some cases yes but that doesn't give you a open invertation to have sex with her, if you had sex with a 5 year old it is the same see she was 15 she was legally still a child under 16 regardless its child abuse.
Yes you want to be in the court Room i hear that, but i haven't seen you do it yet?
Maybe you could write the song LOL only Joking, i will support anyone telling the Truth.
Now you show your real colors like the dept say, when put in a stressful situation you snap :)
See you are showing what the dept are saying straight up, can't handle some form of criticism, you don't have to agree but you don't call people 'retards' just immature,
You like the Word Retard, well if it was taken at 5 years old you just violated her even more didn't you by having sex with her as a minor at 15 and its illegal as having sex with a child under 16 is child abuse Sniper sorry but it is.
Yes see if you had not had sex with this Girl you and your family would most likely be happy and content but as it never played out that way we will never know.
Yes but we are Yet to be Proven Wrong, if you show me with Documentation i will be the first to say sorry :)
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Docs = legal pedo, Docs will
Docs = legal pedo, Docs will mind frk a child,mind frk a mother and try to mind frk men.
Docs are they only group that will steal children,kill them and then blame the parent.
And if you we're abused child Sniper the dept have issues with pattens of abuse.
(not if I were, I was and still am to this very day and now to my kids, hows that for a pattern?.)
They are not over worked, just dont have any education to conduct traffic.
Well that is sad they are taking laws in to their own hands should not happen but i will tell you this, terrorist and bank robbers don't happen to have a linkage or a chance they may sexually offend children do they Sniper?
( how'd ya twist this?. if a man robs a bank, hes he ever allowed back into any bank?. if a terrorist blows up a building, is he ever allows near a building again?. thats also applies, to, If I stole items from K-mart, am I forever barred from K-mart ?.
If a man killed his wife and children, does 20 yrs jail, How come he can re marry and have kids?.)
When people do take that law into their own hands, nothing is done about it. Why ?. do I have to be murdered,before questions are asked?.
but you don't see the picture dept took your kids cause you had sex with a minor and there we're sustained risk to your children.
(yeah! right,Im the one that notify's them,that I got a family,docs are the ones that frked up big time, why take a 20 min new born to court for a placement and leave me out to die?. Should I not be the One taking to a court?.)Yes, My sons needed protection from Docs and Docs only.)
This is why, I cant move on. this is why I cant obtain this Justice, ALL you can do is just point out a one off, that never ever happened again,then twist it,to,im frking my kids....very logical, I must say, with no proof what so ever.) no wonder docs fabricate,they cant afford another mass frk up.)
Yes you want to be in the court Room i hear that, but i haven't seen you do it yet?
(oh plz, give me a frking KitKat, what is wrong with that brain of yours?. ya sure you have that elevator going to the roof or what ?.)( other then me placing a gun to a lawyers head. how else do you expect me to get into a court room?. no funds, no legal aid, no pro bono, no nothing.)
Maybe I should,write that song, and Im not joking. no, you wont support anyone speaking the truth, you need blood,your a doubting thomas.
Now you show your real colors like the dept say, when put in a stressful situation you snap :)
( got nothing to do with stress. got to do with people acting like a monkey, frustration that people like you, dont understand, metaphors or parables.)
Yes, I love that word RETARD, cause all Ive seen here, is how people twist it to suit their retarded thinking, or would you prefer if I just called you a gold fish ?.
you see, - If my son didnt die back in 97. you would be for naught.
Yes but we are Yet to be Proven Wrong, if you show me with Documentation i will be the first to say sorry :)
( you say you swim with a lawyer,and the best at it,concerning family laws. let that lawyer put their grubby hands on my documents,or you come for a trip up north and you read them and then come back to here, and tell it how it is. Dare ya) and I would never ever believe you will ever be sorry. to easy of a word for you to even state that here.
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Sniper you are so far off the
Sniper you are so far off the mark about the dept, dept do not steal children or murder children or Mind games anyone, it is the parents own fault that they come to the eye of the dept in the first place you know? if there was no concerns they wouldn't be in that position in the first place. but not saying the dept don't fail at times they do, that is for sure and that is cause they are so over worked and understaffed etc
Because the patten of abuse is all in your head sniper, let me spell it out for you, you say you we're abused maybe you we're maybe you weren't, the dept are treating you unjust as you say but we all don't know for sure, you may be playing us here, the thing is your children we're removed and kept away from you rightfully so there was previous child abuse and they are still at risk of child abuse from you. there is a risk still hanging over you since you can't accept the responsibility you won't take given the circumstances around this whole case.
oh believe me they have tons of education, more than you ever will in any life time since you are a dole bludger that can't off his bum to even do a course, they work 5 days a week and they sure do know how to run the office day in day out.
Well People feel strong against what you have done, and my point still stands your explanation gives no meaning you are no bank robber no terrorist etc you we're a child abuse offender, and people have so many mixed feelings against that, and you won't find anyone to protect you for what you have done, it is child abuse clear cut, no excuses and don't try and give me examples the big picture is you abused a child under the age of 16 = child abuse.
Nah sniper the children needed to be protected from you and you only, you we're charged with having sex with a minor under the age of 16 that is child abuse, the dept acted in the best way possibly and removed the children that we're at risk of sexual abuse from you, hence a pattern of abuse could occur to them and I'm thankful they removed them at least they are safe and happy, and no risk of sexual abuse.
No dept never stuffed up, in this case they got it very right and that is true, there was substantiated risk of sexual abuse it is pretty simple to see.
Get a job working and pay a lawyer as you go, it is pretty simple how to get into that court room, but it is quiet clear you are full of it, always full of excuses there is always a way.
Nah i know the Truth
Nah Sniper you behavior is that predictable, you are what the dept say you snap for anything, any reason kinda .like a bomb waiting to go off at any stage, some one not stable.
You can call me any childish names you like, just reinforces me what the dept have already said about you,
Why would i want to waste my time on someone that is a child abuser and that is clear to me now?
Thankgod for the dept!
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DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Wow sniper you are back to
Wow sniper you are back to your old ways again calling people names. It is just so evident what the dept say about you is so very True. Instead of acting like any normal human being you act Like a uncivil Loony Instead of Taking Criticism and dealing with it in ways to cope and respond you dive off the deep end and attack people calling them names.
Calling People Retards isn't very Mature. and i wouldn't think someone like you would scoop the low actually i would but you think as a child might come across that you would refrain from saying things like that :)
you know a parent is suppose to be a role model to a child, they are a product of their environment, I'm sure as hell happy your ain't in your environment you are no role model :)
You Should be a role model for abusive Behavior and How to Harm a child :)
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Blue cards in the future Rock Spiders
The lovely thing about this country,is that our fathers, and gradfathers, grandmothers WORKED and fought for was justice to ALL people.
Even we the ones we hold little respect for.
So I will BRIEFLY discuss this case matter that keeps popping up by a disgruntled Sniper.
I will WITHDRAW my offer, should the disscussion turn to sleeping, with children out of context.
In a case where a male person was charged for CN and goaled- done his time and let go. ( That should be the end of the story)
UNLESS other complaints have come to light.
( which would appear to be the case)
However if as a result of that no charges were laid ,it would be probably unreasonable, to demand a family part.
UNLESS DRUGS Were Found to be involved,
Please remember ,I am working on one side of the side of the story and -I am sure DOCS would tell another.
However given the few facts , 'or story', before us and 'perhaps giving too much credit, to the author, we shall proceed.
*I reserve the right to come back, and readdress this matter again to amend any findings.*
So according to the author DOCS came for nothing?
Doesn`t add up....
While attending they search records and find the 'said' father, of the kids has done time years prior to CN
They then go to the mother and say.
#If you dont take these kids and get him out of here, we will take them#
No suggestion of counciler or phycs- just LEAVE HIM.
1 Mum leaves-
2Dad wants to see the kids.
3 He is refused visits on top.
Whats interesting, IN LAW ONLY about these cases and including Lukes Father is as follows.
A State Governments passed and act, giving caseworkers the powers of the FEDERAL courts( pretty much)
I will explain later, how I 'think these state Government acts could be challanged.
It 'is possible' State Governments DOCS act are in compemt, conflict of our Federal Court Laws.
If so it would open a flood gate of complaints and people sueing for damages.
Its not something that interests me personally at all.
I think DOCS are mostlty doing a great job-- from what i have seen on this forum- at least.
Before I go onto explain, the possible conflict of interest between a dOCS case workers- being given Federal court powers ,I am afraid you are going to have to listen to this again=
Blue cards will STOP any further confussion.
If you dont have one you DONT have children.
Surley we can do 'that much' to protect little kids, from a life of confussion, being told they cant get to know their Dad because hes a bad
man/ mother.
Not good enough Premiers.
The alternative card might read
If you lie wth dogs you catch fleas ( Murpheys law)
May I say it IS unreasonable,
for a State Government to pass
a law which is in direct conflict with Federal court ACTS.IMOP
It may save costs- sure.
TBO I cant see one case
on this forum where people
have been at risk of an
injustice. However I am sure
there must be some .
I understand why state Governments changed the act: To save costs: I can see with the never ending drug problems these cases of child neglect have muliplied:
It is for this reason a
Government must lead the
way and act like a parent.
A good parents sets out
ground rules from day one and well before that too by making sensible plans.
A good parent wont allow
his /her kid to drive a car
without a licence ,or to take
a lolly from the candy store
without paying and saying thankyou.
State Governments in Australia
have not been good
parents or leaders.
We have young people AND older. Queing up at centre link with a PREGNANT UNEMPLOYED with the so called Dad, waiting outside, with his drugs- Er actually waiting for the centre link money OUR money to PAY for them!
How dare Governments allow people like this to have children.
Instead of laying the ground rules, they have
stuffed up as usual and given mixed messages allowing just anybody to have kids- No
licence no safefty checks no
job on drugs no nothing!
It is YOUR PREMIERS and Prime Minister to control this.
Premiers have created 'more problems'
by not objecting to the Federal
Government when they irresponsibly
handed out thousands of dollars to
young kids to get pregant.
Where we YOU Premiers?
when the opposition decided
to fund these homes with extra
drug and grog money.
( Once again no saftey checks nothing!)
You sat by and allowed and watched this happen as the Federal Government made this irresponsible move to buy votes
from the good old Christians.
Have more chidren the Christian
leaders cried we need them. We ae frightend we are going to by over run etc
It amazes me and (I think i mentioned this )
before that the Government give millions in different projects to combat global warming and they dont combat this.
Sooner or later, the world is going to come to grips with the fact. the world "is over populated."
We have got all sorts, of virus from bird flue to Swine just to mention from you crazy attempt to mass feed people by inflicting unbeliable cruelty on farming animals by intensive farming.
Stuffing them by forced feeding on anti bioticscreating swine and bird flue.
Its happening right here in Australia right now.
So if you REALLY care about your kids furture I say to each and every one of you on this forum. Open our eyes and protest this barbaric treatment because ONLY then will ALL children and humanity have a future.
I have never seen ONCE any concern for the en+viroment. Only self interests-
Mothers and Fathers on this thread need to understand the world does NOT exclude them!
This Government has got to do somthing about 'birth control' and its got to introduce blue card for all parents!
Instead we have just seen ANOTHER example of their irresponsisibilty.
You dont allow people, to have the kids ,in the first place THEN -walk in and say you have to take the kid and leave the father if you want to keep it.
Which brings me to= Before you issued this direction Mr and Or Mrs Case worker-
DID YOU HAVE A COMPLETE : psychiatrists report on DAD and the children?
Did you have them done on either parents?
Did you THEN follow that up ,with a meddico legal report, with recomendations to remove the children from the parents and block all access.?
Or did you just issue orders, given your great new found powers, that were passed onto you by our incompident employer- the State Government.?
bTW Did you have ANY sort of Phyc test to see if YOUwere a fir person to handle the powers of the full force of a Federal Court Act?? without abusing those powers.
That would take a very specially mentally trained person.
TBO I am not sure ,*I could do it, 'without flexing my mussles 'if i tripped over some fowl moth little person, with some type pf percicution problem.
Gee, cant ou just imagine, if the bloke looked like he wasnt looking after his dog.
Crieky!! How far do you reckon he would get with me- ah! Urika.
So there is my counter argument to this new act
It leaves the gate pen for unfariness legally.
Dont get me wrong I am not blaming you for just doing your job case workers.
I am simply enquiring, as to IF any basic acts that are applicable in a federal court at all - were recognised.?
It`s just a simple question.
So I need to know pls
A Did you simply walk, in and see hear, a fowl mouth rude Dad, and then 'self asses' him,as unfit to be around kids- THEN look up his record and find the old charge from years ago THEN just excersise your mussles.?
A simple yes or no is required.?
Graham
Rock Spider
Lukes Dad knows what is like for a child to die.
A few others.
One Dad I know lost his whole family 4 kids his best mate and wife. They were all killed -terrible. I have a cousin who lost two kids in a car accident and another to cancer.
We are all familar with the little boy Daniel who kidnaped and murdered from QLD several years ago.
The pretty little child who was picked up outside her home and a body dumped just meteres away from her Mums place
All of these people know what its like.
Thousands of kids have dies from sids
Yours died from sids two years ago at 7 weeks of age.I do nOT compare that with Luke Dds story. Any death is always sad to the parent of COURSE!
Most people have got on with life and actually made real efforts to do whatever they could to help others.
They work they have friends and they grieve deep down. I should think Lukes Dad might just be in a better place than many to understand- but there is NO comparrison to a child of 2 and a half years.
Had you been posting about sids and early death of
infants that would be one thing
Your not.
You just want to keep talking about abuse of children in a "sexual way and yourself."
"I read way back Lukes Dad asked you to ease up- as he put it."
He said this is about Luke my Son who died in the hands of DOCs and one of heir care givers.
So lets us ALL remember that- shall we!
I will add this.
A blue card would have picked up on the fact that BOTH these people were on drugs well before Luke was born
And You can say some of you that you dont feel a blue card is warranted for ALL parents.
Some said I was wanting to make a special breed of kids.
No I just wanted to come up with logical ways to protect little kids. Fact IS Luke should NEVER had been placed with his MOTHER who according to Dad Gave him SPEED at Six Months!
\ A blue card would have STOPPED THIS
\ Cant see why anybody would have a problem with that!
Graham
Why in hell shouldnt Foster Parents be Paid!!
If I were going ti be a Foster parent for DOCS I would want to be paid. Its a matter of self worth and principle.
DOCS staff get paid. Church orgs get paid Anybody who works SHOULD get paid.
Thats part of our Australia LAWS!
Nobody ever said people doing fostering didnt do it because they really liked kids.
Some people work in DOCS for the same reason- I would hope.
So why shouldnt Foster Mums and Dads be paid for
the great work they doby the Australian Government?
I didnt even KNOW they were not.
So the Governments want to just USE kind hearted familys so they can have a bigger pay packet
Well as a tax payer I say Pay the foster Parents and take the money from welfare bludgers!
Graham
No One said Foster parents
No One said Foster parents shouldn't be paid. but the issue is the foster carer's or Kinship carer's in Qld get paid so much money... You see i know one grandmother she weeps in 2,000 a fortnight... what in the hell is that all for?
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Wild Child
Um,
If your asking me, you asking the wrong person.
One thing, you can bet your life on is Government departments NEVER overpay the public.
I do know someone who fosters five children. Three being her own grandkids- two others.
AFAIK its about 200 dollars per child and thats is for everything- including Mobile and STD phone calls Drs ,specialsts, petrol, travel, holidays, pocket money ,school outings, food clothes, toys uniforms dentsist and so forth. Pls dont forget the ongoing extra recourses within the home power water and the broken thisor that.
You sure couldnt send the kids to a decent private school unless you paid yourself.
While you may just scrape through there is nothing for the foster parent . Nothing at all.
Why shouldn`t they be paid. Its a disrace . I have watched her struggle for many years. Go without EVERYTHING herself! Refused help from friends. Too proud.
Actually until not long ago, she didnt even get the foster care funds to help pay for the three kids.
Why ?because they were her own grandkids.
How stupid is that.
Please dont tell me, foster Parents get much from Goverments because I have seen it first hand.
Why shouldnt the Government pay at least four hundred per week non taxable pluss the two hundred for the childs upkeep
7 days 24 hours a day. No respite in QLD. No Docs picking up the children to see Mum - nothing.
They are expected to work all week- look after the children and then organise drive and supervise visit with parents.
Never a day or night to themselves. No Foster parents are the salt of the earth, and Government imop use their love of kids and big hearts.
Then they expect us to agree to pay up to six months offmaternity leave for mothers and fathers wanting to bring more into the world.
Dont start me. How unfair to Foster parents. What about their wages!?
Graham
Well that is FAIR enough but
Well that is FAIR enough but i have seen this grandparent's bank statement and payment from Dept it was 2,000 a fortnight and they is far too much to be paid for 3 children and then she gets centrelink implment on top of that... if parents we're to get that much money from govt they would be called a bludger LOL
There is nothing for the foster parent No, But some do that i know of spend the money that is meant for the child on them selves.
Well i too have seen it First Hand on a few accounts and i see the money that is brought in, one foster parent got a new car from the funds she was receiving from the dept, so i know that they aren't all the same but the dept should only pay what is needed no less no more,.
Why pay the the foster carer Govt money .. if the parent got govt money they would be called bludgers? But that is not the point they should get money yes just make sure the dept gets receipts for everything.. to make sure it is being spent on the right things.
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Wild Child your out of line insulting
*Well that is FAIR enough *8
No Wild Child,
No it isn’t fair enough.
It’s not fair at all.
That ‘was’ my point.
*but I have seen this grandparent's bank statement and payment from Dept it was 2,000 a fortnight and they is far too much to be paid for 3 children and then she gets centreline implement on top of that..*
1 Are you alleging they are not looking after the three children Wild Flower?
2 If so have you reported them?
3 I am no expert but my common sense! Tell me if they are grandparents there are tow of them- and they are on pensions.
So I put it to you in light of that$2000.00 PER FORTNIGHT the figure would be as follows- or there about.
Two hundred and fifty to three hundred dollars ‘per adult person per week
So multiply that x two= twelve hundred dollars
+ 200 dollars per child x 3= twelve hundred dollars.
So that adds up to 24 hundred dollars- so they don’t even get that much.
Centre link would of course ‘combine the pensions and the children’s money and send it out together.’
Of course the ether rent or owns a house so you work it out.
It’s pretty sad that you have been trusted to see these peoples bank account and then come in here and complain behind their backs
I am deeply disappointed in you. I thought you were both smarter and kinder than that.
*There is nothing for the foster parent No, But some do that I know of spend the money that is meant for the child on them selves.*
Ok, did you report them?
*Well I too have seen it First Hand on a few accounts and I see the money that is brought in, one foster parent got a new car from the funds she was receiving from the dept, so I know that they aren't all the same but the dept should only pay what is needed no less no more,.*
Look WHY 'shouldln`t 'people be paid for what they do?
If you work in a day care you get paid right?
Do you work in a nursing home? Do you expect to be paid?
A butcher a cleaner a lawyer.
I just can’t get where you are coming from. TBO
*Why pay the foster carer Govt money.*
Because they are doing a 'JOB for the Government'
There is a law against under paying people and SLAVE labouring this country Wild child.
*. if the parent got govt money they would be called bludgers?*
The parents money( crikey) they would *normally get funds to help look after kids.
It is taken 'OFF' them and given to the foster parents if kids are removed- 'as it should be.'
What on earth is you objection to that?
*But that is not the point they should get money yes just make sure the dept gets receipts for everything... to make sure it is being spent on the right things.*
How dare you treat people with such an insular disregard and obtuse attitude?
Didnt you call ME insenstive!
You are discriminating against foster parents.
Let me tell you something young lady. If i were a parent I would *expect to look after my *own children. But if for whatever reason I HAD to leave my kids with someone, i would OF course pay them... for how ever long... WELL actually.
I would NOT expect 'others 'to come along and do my job. Not for Free anyway!!
*I would pay for *everything and that would be *my job.
BUT if I were asked to look after someone else’s kids I would treat them the same as mine.
However I would expect SOMETHING in payment for my hard work.!
You are very unfair to Foster Mums and Dads who mostly do a good job.
So you think nanny’s day care everybody else should be paid –but the one who has them to most 7 days and nights a week are entitled to nothing.
Frankly my dear your attitude stinks IMO
Graham
Mony, Photos, Stupidity
Would be hard to buy the kids things if not paid Graham, and of course sibling groups would be out of the question except for the quite wealthy.
And I think I read somewhere very recently that the wealthy of Australia give less to charities than any other nation.
[As for the rest of the thread. I have left this a few times and no one reads it before they bleat at me.]
If Ms69 while going to other sites and collecting excerts from my messages she should have a full understanding why I was taking a photo of one particular foster child while in the bath.
I have never used the word "grilled". But caseworkers ring if there is a concern and ask how a child got a bump or a bruise. They have even popped in to get a photo of it and check for themselves.
This is a good thing, this is what they should be doing when a complaint is made.
I can take as many photos as I like of kids, the parents love them. I had a computer crash about 6 years ago so lost pervious ones but right now have about 5000 photos on file... should really sort my crap out and put them on disc.
Naked photos no, but a three year old girl who puts on 3kilos regularly in two days while on overnight says with a parent is a concern.
This is what Ms69 didn't bother trying to understand when I wrote about it on another site. She just came back telling everyone I took photos of naked children. You'd think working for a lawyer she would know better?
The child was returning so bloated that to demonstrate this I took a profile shot of her while getting out of the bath before she left and one after her bath when she got back.
I got told by the caseworker not to take them naked so next time I did it with just her wearing tight fitting clothing.
End of story. On the P4P site we were talking about feeding children and it was in a conversation about food.
Does say volumns about her that anything can be taken out of context and used against another person in the nastiest way possible.
She is purley shitty about what happened on Raising Children so came looking for me, soon as she saw me chatting to others she wanted them all to dislike me as much as she does. Watch her, she'll be nice to someone just to set them up (aye Sniper), not falling for this stupid game she plays.
Next she will play her Ace - oh I have been abused too (she's been waiting for the opening) and my children put in care with demons. She waits so she can use this information in a an argument, no other reason.
Her attempts to talk to me is part of setting me up so she can use previous abuse and abuse of her children in this way, point scoring.
Graham she didn't hurt my feelings, Nat and Jane hurt my feelings that night we all had a go at each other and Jane even said sorry and I get that she is going through enough with her kid in care so all good. Nat didn't but I am guessing she is rather young.
Cutting cruel remarks hurt, not Ms69's sarcasm and atempts to be clever.
Sammy has had his pills, has a new weird cough. Might mean the poor sod is on the mend? He is eating more than usual but I think he's loosing wieght.
No one said Foster Parents
No one said Foster Parents should not be paid of course they should i agree they should, but i disagree with the amount espically in the Qld fact is i know one grandmother getting 2,000 a fortnight what the hell for?
Well i was reading messages in general not just your messsages i was reading messages about foster care and came across yours Jewely. and if there is some reason behind it please tell and i may change my mind,
Well some of the Workers here it Qld that worked with Foster carers i know the most they have got was a phone call asking about how the incident occurred and leave it at that, that why i said there must of been some concern as to why they took photo's of it and asked you about it etc don't they think you provide enough care to know what is right and what is not?
But it is not a good thing if the parent complains all the time is it?
i didn't know foster carer we're allowed to take pics of kids that weren't theres you see i know this one carer and the case worker told her she is not allowed to and she is open to a suit from the parent if she did,
Well i thought you said she was in the bath Naked? but if she is putting weight on why not take one of her in the bedroom standing up or something? that would be more practical
My Work has nothing to do with my Personal beliefs you see i have a difference between professional and personal big difference but again, why take it in the bath like i said take one of her in the bedroom etc
i understand your concern and you should be concerned i just don't agree with the bath pictures...
Well the case worker was right don't take them naked it is wrong, best to take them with tight clothes on etc
Well at least i know the facts now of why you did it but i still don't agree with the pics being naked.
No one took it out of context didn't you just say the case worker said not to take naked pictures so you just admitted to it?
You Said Jewely *She is purley shitty about what happened on Raising Children so came looking for me, soon as she saw me chatting to others she wanted them all to dislike me as much as she does. Watch her, she'll be nice to someone just to set them up (aye Sniper), not falling for this stupid game she plays.*
please tell me how i set people up and then be nasty to them, like i said before my view on sniper changed as soon as his stories change and are not constant with his stories etc end of story. What did happen on Raising children please tell me? I Have never seen the site before and doesn't seem to get much traffic as it is but thought about Joining :) How do i set people up i would like to know... and for a fact i do support dept most of the times.. so better watch out my run back and rat to them... :)
Jewely you have no idea what you are talking about there Girly if you like you can see the police file where the monster was charged for abusing me and went to jail for it you fool.. did he go to jail for nothing? it is no argument reasons it the truth you fool
i don't want no point scoring from you what so ever i couldn't really care what you seem to think, but given you pointed questions at me it is only fair i respond to you :)
You got to have Feelings to have them Hurt, you can't when you are a cold Bitch. and that will only hurt if it the truth :)
oh i try to be clever that is a new one LOL
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Sammy You tell him
Sammy is more important than any of this so let us know how hes doing pls on a 'daily basis'
All too often we tend to forget about our most wonderful friends.
Our REAL friends who never betray you or stab you in the back!
Goodluck Sammy and dont forget your are your number one fans.
Graham
Life is a Game
There doesn't have to be emptyness without children in a relationship.
Eventually all our kids grow up and move on anyway.
You're not a 25 year old ready to start a family though, and certainly nothing wrong with women who either don't want one, can't have one, or whose children are older.
Justice might or might not come while you are looking.
What other stuff do you do outside of time online?
I'm sure Graham isn't happy when his taxes are used to mess with someone life either.
To Jew;ery - an important message from-
*I'm sure Graham isn't happy when his taxes are used to mess with someone life either**.
There are always exceptions my dear .....
SMILE
Graham
So, Im selfish, frking Kill me for that to.
Whether one child and the only child or 50, We as a a human breed have this thing called a biological clock.
The Body tells us what we need,when we need it. I want,due to being Robbed,starting with my 7 week old son,that Dies.
If by all you Highly educated people on here,Cant have a Iota to this, Then Thats Why I also class you's retards.
IF and FRKing if, I am that much of a danger, to why then didnt the all mighty DOCs come and removed him ?. why didnt they TAKE my eldest son(he was 12 at the time.
Why am I living near 4 schools ? why am I near 3 day care centers and a library and let not forget a major shopping center? all these answers and more, On Ripley's believe it or not.
What other stuff do you do outside of time online?
( my garden ) and try to protect myself when people come to my home to kill me.
im sure graham tax money will just love that.
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Sniper i got a idea GET A
Sniper i got a idea GET A JOB! and stop being a bludger and full of excuses... find a woman and marry her buut don't have any more kids :)
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I got a better Idea.
my 1st response was "FRK you and your Kind."
come to think of it, its also my 2nd :)
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Cause everybody here is sick
Cause everybody here is sick of hearing you winging about it everyday, How the dept have Did you Wrong.
it's time after reading all your stories to grow up and smell the roses and Accept that the dept got it right in one instance to remove your child as there is a linkage between having sex with a minor and then sexual abuse you see... what would happen when your child turned 15 or 16? would it happen the same .. see the dept would have to look at it at that way.. its their job.. but after you have proved after 8 years it's clear things can change but we don't know here 100% that it hasn't happened again and you haven't been caught, we can only take your Word for it.
but i do feel for you that you have no support or family and no friends and i told you to go out to some clubs or bars or a local church as they have get together's and make some friends and people you can talk to and don't talk about dept stuff as it makes people run and your friendship is based on dept stuff and it gets repetitive and people get sick of that, you want true friendships. church is the best place to start. there are some really nice people there.
And you want to Move on Yeah? Start by going out and make some friends and do some stuff that makes progress go get a volunteer job they have volunteer jobs at the local church etc and you will find a social worker at the church and I'm sure they would take you on they are very understanding people and i know one that works for a church and she is counseling a ex pedophile so i know people do give people chances you just have to try.
No One said you can't be angry or upset.. it's just the way you come across Sniper and this is Most days. there has to be some level ground. and try looking at it at the dept point of view.. there was substantiated risk to the child/ren
You state others get less time that you.. is that the Problem? you done your time so what is the Problem. and you state a female gets 3 months? you know what i think, i think that is disgusting and woman should pay the crime as much as any male would she is guilty regardless of gender.
Even if you Did inform Dept. that is good and responsible thing too do but Dept would have done a check in the long run anyways..
Wild Flower
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I tried to warn him...
"Cause everybody here is sick of hearing you..."
Do not presume to speak for me.
No one said i was talking for
No one said i was talking for you Jewely.
I was saying General maybe i should of said 'Most' :)
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Your very welcome young lady
Thanks for the Credit, Where
Your very welcome young lady
*i Never Compared you to Sniper, i said Imagine if you we're in His Shoes that is all..*
Um , lets not go there. I don think we should be discussing people between us. I am happy to debate the case mater and circumstances leaving reference to individual.
* and i know he may not be on the list but when paperwork and govt papers get handed around 'statements' and allegations are passed on to other govern bodies etc i know he is not on the register, but he does have the charge behind him of the 16 yo Girl.*
You don’t know that dear. That is only one side of the story.
Depending on age a sentence is handed out and circumstances. Even if charged unfairly a judge can dismiss it or give comity service..
Also he doesn’t say how old the offending was when he slept with the minor. 18 -38- who knows…..
Rare they charge two young ones just mucking around + the judge in every case was weigh up the circumstances. A twelve month sentence would indicate a reasonable serious matter- not a mister Mena
*and it is always about dept and ppl get sick of hearing that,*
Yes it kind of selfish to always dump others with your problems. That’s right people run a mile- rightfully so at times. Your quite right. People DO get sick of hearing it, especially when they are doing nothing to help themselves.
*I Can't say anything to Sniper any Clearer or Louder as i said it straight to the point and if he don't listen and take advise that is only his own fault,*
Se you sure about that? Have you tried perhaps saying nothing… until there is something positive to discuss. Just a thought. Still I am sure you have our own ideads. You always do….:)
•
*Yeah i do agree, He could volunteer but again its up to him to get off his bum and do it if he wants to, but only he can do that and its up too him at the end.*
But i know this Young Lady that suffers from a mental illness and she completed a course in aged care and got first aid and Cpr all free for her and now she is Working and I'm so proud of her!
Good for you- well done.
But courses could be a Option for him, If He really Wants too.. :)
Yes a good idea. Maybe start off one day a week and STOP telling everyone the past. New friends new interest.. etc
Cheers MO3:)
Graham
Agree , i didn't see the
Agree , i didn't see the Matter Like that! But the case itself would be Hard and Complex Given Everything That HAS Happened according to Sniper.
No I don't know THAT? But I'm Going off some People i have Worked With and a few cases that i know dept paperwork has been handed to other agencies.
Yeah as the matter was 12 month Jail sentence i can presume it was very serious Matter for the Judge and guessing by the sentence i persume he wasn't a young age, So He was sentence given the Circumstances we will never Know I Guess.
Yeah i always have My own Idea's LOL But it is hard when you deal with dept and convo's about the dept become the attention of every time you meet up with friends i know with the few i know and i said to them as much as you feel abused by this dept you have to find a healthier obsessions and not a obsession about the dept they thought they we're doing their job and rightfully at times also. But go to church and meet friends and they have and they are much happier for it to now :)
Yeah he needs to Avoid telling people about his past, if wants to have any Future and Friends i agree with that one, But Course run from 2-3 days a week and Centrelink cover all costs's
What is MO3?
Wild Flower
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Also he doesn’t say how old
Also he doesn’t say how old the offending was when he slept with the minor.
18 -38- who knows…..
( Who cares, The state laws state 16.8 to have legal sex, yet to Docs, you still a child till 18, Me thinks theres a division there, Dont you ?.) A 16 yr old can obtain a license and became a killer or be killed on the roads of Australia,This is a child driving ?????.
A twelve month sentence would indicate a reasonable serious matter- not a mister Mena:
(Oh! really, it that a Assumption ? Or you know that for Fact ?. and does that Indicate That ?.
It was willing consented sex, No drugs,no money, no love,no grooming,no domination, A one Off.
I get a year for what ????. when there is a man here in my city going to prison in the next few week, for 80 count of rape plus other matters, to a girl from when she was 12-13 to 15, Get ready for this......He got 3 months. WTF, and HUH ?????.
I Can't say anything to Sniper any Clearer or Louder as i said it straight
to the point and if he don't listen and take advise that is only his own
fault.
( am i to understand that I now have permission to undertake a endeavor of what you said of advice and apply that to obtain that right to be heard in a court of law.??. For I dont yet think you fully understand that word called REJECTION. have you not read ?. of the words I wrote of the many,many,many rejections to whatever I try to do in a legal lawful manner ?. What am I left with, Graham ?. Nothing- and the only door Avail,is the one that says "break the Law" please enter. )
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
The Legal age in Australia is
The Legal age in Australia is 16 to have Sex. Sniper Don't make excuses you know my Opinion what you done is wrong and you admitted you we're wrong so just stick to that.
But i have to ask one Thing .. How we're you changed and went to Jail for 12 months if she was 16 being the legal age?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Australia_and_Oceania#Qu...
Yeah a 16 Year old can drive a car and become a killer as you Put it but dept require the age limit as 18 and rightfully so, so that they can try and help and guide these children to the right path in life, if they are in care etc
Sniper the Truth is a 12 Month sentence does mean a pretty serious offense, and if it weren't serious you would have been on a suspended jail sentence or Probation or community service and so on, i see what Graham is saying now that you need to accept things and you don't seem too.
You say their was no grooming nothing asked for return? what did you say she offered you? A BABY? and you had willing sex YES but she was under a legal age and you we're the adult and had a lady and family and you had sex with her , so not only did you betray your family you had sex with a minor and you should have had sence not to do it. you should have said NO. but it was a hard time i get that. But Stop Making excuses.
Just because you Get Rejection from people doesn't give you the right to commence offenses you would keep going until you get people to listen and be a good citizen
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Then what is the legal age to a adult in this country ?.
What excuses ?. It is facts.
I have always stated she was 15 turning 16, a few times I try to correct that, and no one noticed,and all said 16.
That is my whole point, Why do the state government have sex as 16 is legal and a crime to have sex with a child under 18, as Docs laws ?. is that not a division ?.
Why does the law let one off of a crime of rape and murder and place a human in a prison for far less .? Does that sound a tad retarded to you ?.
Dont you think I truly regret that action I committed ?.
I had no lady or a family as I had. where did you get that notion I did ?.
I make no excuses of that, I give reason to why it took place, two wrongs dont make a right. Betrayal was done by everyone in concern.
I went from yelling and screaming, to anger and hate, I went to being logical to sarcastic, I am open and honest in the way I speak my mine, I am the real deal. Im not here to be popular or to be liked or hated. Im here to voice to the same tune of other voices on this forum.
What else can I do ?. when I have tired all avenues in the legal lawful way ?. Who above, do I need to correspond with, to where the buck finally stops ?.
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
The Docs Law Does state 18
The Docs Law Does state 18 YES! but this does not apply to you.. you had sex with a girl 'turning' 16! she was underage she was a minor and you both had consented sex and you we're charged by her parents for carnal knowledge at the time and you spent 12 months in Jail,
You have admitted this was wrong so why can't you just accept that you made a mistake by sleeping with this girl.. but what i presume this is more than 1 time?
as you said she offered a baby to you? and also when the mother found out she was the one that pressed charges on you.
What you did was Wrong on so many Levels and you need to accept the responsibility here .. you we're the adult and you should have said NO
Someone going to Jail for other reasons doesn't apply to you. you got your ruling so you had to do the time for the crime, you we're Guilty of the Crime Sniper,
Betrayal might have been from Everybody, But it takes one person to state what i did was wrong and everybody will be happy for you and applaud your willingness to start over and that you have changed.
We all know who you are and you do have a right to be angry or upset and yell and scream so forth at times but not all the time etc and most people are here to 'bitch' about the dept at times but the reality is they have life outside this board and you don't seem to do anything, you been given advise its up to you, what you do with that.
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So docs laws over ride states
So docs laws over ride states laws ?.mmmmmm.
It applies to anyone having any type of sex with a child below the age of 18, and theres my point yet again on the age factor that is so divided.
Was no parents,only a parent. and yes, charged as carnal knowledge, Not pedophilia or child abuse. Why is that added ?.
How does it go for a girl to girls to boys to babies to my own?. Why was it twisted to that ?.
Accept the responsibilities ???. So many levels, you are kidding me right ?. Until you and others have the FULL facts to 100%, You and others Cannot make any judgement calls.
Facts, The mother didnt report me till after I refused to marry her,7 months of this of her(the mother) telling myself and everybody else we are getting married. When she(the mother) leaves the house after that 7 months, it is the next day, I am questioned. My eldest son was there hearing and watching all of this, He is a Witness to this Fact.
Let me tell you how fair your stinking justice system works.
That per 16yr old girl, with no abuse, Obtains $12.500 in compensation, for that one night of what she wanted to do.
Yeah! I frk'd up, I wasnt in the right frame of mind, You know, Called a hell of depression.that logical adult thinking was in Darkness and i stumbled, I err'd. I understood my action was wrong and I went and made sure I would never ever stumble ever like that ever again, I set lines That I knew I would Never ever ever cross ever again,This is while sitting in Prison and my first responsibility upon release was to find my son, to build a home, to build a family, to build a life.
Instead all I get is the same punishment handed to me every day for what I paid for in full a hundreds times over.
2003: the beginning of removal of a partner and children.
2004 I am attacked,have my head shoved into a cement pillar and three of my ribs broken with a steel tubing while being hit,I am called a kid frker, three times I am hit, three times,all I say, NO-I am Not.
They get 6 months, I am suppose to obtain a $12.500 compensation and instead that goes to the state government,Stating I own the State government. WTF??????? Didnt I just paid 12 months of my life?.
2005, removal of first son and partner,Possible another child.
2007, removal second son and partner, this time 5 cops to surround me.
2008, updated to a terrorist that wants to take hostages.
2008 removal from home and lost of partner and family.
2003 to 2009, six yrs of trying to be responsible and be accountable of my actions.
Where Did I fail ?????. that I didnt be a dog and roll over and pant and wag my tail at professional,educated departmental authorized child safety workers ?.
"applaud your willingness to start over and that you have changed."
Gee, is there a time frame on this ?. when will retards open their eyes, does it take a months,a yr, 2 yrs,5yr or 10, a life time, how long does it take for the fools to see, you all have made a mistake. where is that responsibility in admitting they are wrong.?.
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
*So docs laws over ride states *
“NO”
DOCS are a part of the State Government!!
*So docs laws over ride states laws ?.mmmmmm.*
Dear heavens, what sort of world, do people live in . There goes possibly some poor immoral professors, next million bucks, those being ‘paid’ to er ,research as to how the internet improves minds-!! Hehe
So perhaps possibly AWB or Elders or someone might put their grubby little hands out and for funding. Not that they don’t get help from our Governments after all- See this forum for information btw on the AWB
Link: = Gawd as usual, I can’t find it. I will just pop this one instead. Its kind of the alternative one I suppose.
I found it while I was searching the net and I thought it made interesting reading.
Turn your music on any Rock Spiders; I think it may even appeal to your mind:)
http://www.livexports.com/cowgun.html
So where was I, oh yes DOCS -Well they ARE the State Government or at least a part of it.
http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/1760.htm
What all this means to people too lazy to read themselves basically IMO at least
‘ in brief’ goes something like as follows…………….
DOCS give you the right to have heard matter more informally than a court case.
Ah Yes, but they take away some rights with that err, privilege .
Such as being allowed to have a formal hearing IF YOU choose!
Being allowed to have your lawyer and yourself there also while these major decisions are being made.
You may seek leave to have your of lawyer attend, but they can, do, will reject it.
Basically you got no rights from what I see of it.
Where does it say you have a RIGHT TO have matters heard in court if you wish? Where does it say you have the right to have your own lawyer appear before the tribunal? Well it doesn’t say iy because you don’t.
So a case worker is given the ‘; special powers ‘of a federal court basically.
That’s pretty scary. I further note in my short research
I am only looking at this from a legal point of view- nothing else- but I will do my best to explain it to you simply and in lay terms.
It’s IMPORTANT to remember I am NOT a lawyer. This would require a legal opinion from a barrister (a good one) QC…
What has happened, and looks like it has been passed, in State Government is from what I can see like this=
Case workers were given “special powers” of the Federal courts- Or Linked to Federal Courts in for the want of a better expression an informal but powerful none the fewer roles.
To add to the problem it seems a tribunal was formed also with special powers with three heads- One of those being a phycologist ( I will come back to this point )
To obtain an order in a family court- Federal court OR anything to do with Federal Courts phycologists reports are NOT recognised unless presented in support with a medico legal report done by a fully trained phyciatrist .
Well count me in! I just took the little red pill like LOE in meatrix and look what I found.
I found Federal courts does not accept a report from a phycologist” unless it can be shown he/ she spent so much time, with the client that it was necessary to support the medico legal report. AND ONLY THEN.
By itself it’s quite unless. (the judge has some leave way to take it into consideration)
Medico legal reports are the only thing federal court magistrates really looks to make a ruling. Not phycologists.
So you seem or appear to have an in-house informal panel of people whom may refuse a lawyer to be present to represent the kids making calls for permant placements and adoptions. Wow.
In which case I can only say be REALLY NICE to case workers. Perhaps make them a nice cuppa tea and rub their tired feet.
For the way I see it these people were given the powers of the federal court. Case workers and they alone can make you or break you- and your children. Don’t go blaming case workers either. They didn’t make the laws.
I think the majority of them would work hard and try to be as fair as possible. Mind you I wouldn’t want to step on someone’s toes either+ some people abuse power.
We all know that as its part of the human nature. But on the whole I would like to applaud DOCS and case workers for doing what must be a difficult job!
END OF STORY
PS Oh just one thing I forgot to say
From what I have seen of people on this forum DOCS have got it RIGHT every single time. The only matter I saw that I thought was wrong was the poor foster mother and child who went through a quick relocation by way of error after only knowing those people from the age of a baby until two.
That was sad. The rest of you are victims of the Australia Federal Government over decades IMO
You see I keep saying we the Australia people have a responsibility to MAKE to Government introduce blue cards BEFORE having kids like Foster parents.
So far only wild child has agreed. Pity, because if you want to protect kids it MUST start from the from day one- or even before.
Just think of all the junkies we could save IF they had to have a blue card to have kids. Priceless weapon
SNIPER SAID THE FOLLOWING
*It applies to anyone having any type of sex with a child below the age of 18, and there’s my point yet again on the age factor that is so divided.*
You seem to always need to speak of having sex with under aged People .
*Were no parents, only a parent?
So you are saying you wee the only adult or parent looking after this girl. If so no wonder you were given a year,. Be lucky not to get far longer.
* and yes, charged as carnal knowledge, Not paedophilia or child abuse. Why is that added?.*
Probably because this happened a long time ago- lucky for you. We didn’t use the name or charge of paedophpipa back then so much before the media hype about it. Al;so because its possible there was a willingness upon the 15 year old at the time. Maybe the cops just went light.
*How does it go for a girl to girls to boys to babies to my own?. Why was it twisted to that?.*
Can anybody else follow this question- Mind boggles- I cant. Starting to feel sick TBO
*Accept the responsibilities ???. So many levels, you are kidding me right ?. Until you and others have the FULL facts to 100%, You and others Cannot make any judgement calls.*
You are IMOP a person who shows 'NO sign of remorse.' I have watched you for a while with your veiled threats. You are a danger to yourself and society IMO.
*Facts, The mother didn’t report me till after I refused to marry her,7 months of this of her(the mother) telling myself and everybody else we are getting married. When she(the mother) leaves the house after that 7 months, it is the next day, I am questioned. My eldest son was there hearing and watching all of this, He is a Witness to this Fact.*
So sunshine ,what was the mother charged with in the end?
Did DOCS remove this girl from her and was SHE charged as an unfit mother inciting Carnell knowledge of her own daughter.
How much time did SHE DO??
*Let me tell you how fair your stinking justice system works.
That per 16yr old girl, with no abuse, Obtains $12.500 in compensation, for that one night of what she wanted to does.*
You mean 15 don’t you ?and it probably started well before. It was just she was 15 when you got found out. I DO NOT BELIEVE IT WAS A ONE OFF. I KBOW HOW THE COMPENSATION VICTIMS OF CRIMES WORKS
,* I err'd. I understood my action was wrong and I went and made sure I would never ever stumble ever like that ever again,*
GOOD
* 2003: the beginning of removal of a partner and children.*
Good well done DOCS
*2004 I am attacked,have my head shoved into a cement pillar and three of my ribs broken with a steel tubing while being hit,I am called a kid frker, three times I am hit, three times,all I say, NO-I am Not.*
Well plenty of perople would be too happy with you IMO.
*They get 6 months, I am suppose to obtain a $12.500 compensation and instead that goes to the state government,Stating I own the State government. WTF??????? Didnt I just paid 12 months of my life?.*
WHY SHOULDN’T IT> SO FAR YOU HAVE COST ME AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO WORKS READING THIS A FORTUNE.
Who committed the crime ah? YOU DID. Then WHO SHOULD BE PAYING FOR COMPENSATION TO THE VICTIM_ YOU OR ME!!!
Work it out sunshine. Why should hard working decent people have to allow the kids to miss out because people cant pay their own way!!
*2005, removal of first son and partner,Possible another child.*
You are IMOP truly sickening!
*2007, removal second son and partner, this time 5 cops to surround me.*
GOOD ON THE QLD POLICE FORCE AND DOCS!! Thank you!
*2008, updated to a terrorist that wants to take hostages*.
I can imagine…..
*2008 removal from home and lost of partner and family.*
Another one. Probably some poor unfortunate person who was of course living on welfare so you took her in. etc…..
Its criminal really criminal that some people seen to walk the fact of this earth while wonderful human beings such as Victa Chan was shot and murdered by a bunch of grubs.
*2003 to 2009, six yrs of trying to be responsible and be accountable of my actions.
Where Did I fail ?????. that I didnt be a dog and roll over and pant and wag my tail at
ofessional,educated departmental authorized child safety workers ?.*
"applaud your willingness to start over and that you have changed."
Gee, is there a time frame on this ?. when will retards open their eyes, does it take a months,a yr, 2 yrs,5yr or 10, a life time, how long does it take for the fools to see, you all have made a mistake. where is that responsibility in admitting they are wrong.?.
*DOCS = Death of children services
We the victims of this abuse require a Voice to be heard.
Give back the LOVE you Killed*
You are without a doubt IMOP evil and quite dangerous. I hope they are keeping a VERY close eye on you.
For that I don’t even mind paying extra taxes.!
Thank you QLD police and Premiers DOCS for keeping people like this away from our children.
BUT please introduce a blue card because the public are sick of paying for these clean up operations.
Prevention is always better than cure.
Graham
The Village idiot
Graham: If I took all the village idiots from every village in Australia and placed them all in one place, you still be the village idiot..
You are IMOP a person who shows 'NO sign of remorse.' I have watched you for a while with your veiled threats. You are a danger to yourself and society IMO.
( yaps, Yours that retard alright. )
So sunshine ,what was the mother charged with in the end?
Did DOCS remove this girl from her and was SHE charged as an unfit mother inciting Carnell knowledge of her own daughter.
( well, Darkness, the mother probably got a compensation to. her time she got, mmmm, a trip to movie world on the gold coast).
I DO NOT BELIEVE IT WAS A ONE OFF. I KBOW HOW THE COMPENSATION VICTIMS OF CRIMES WORKS
( want to place your life on it ?. you know shit so far.)
*2004 I am attacked,have my head shoved into a cement pillar and three of my ribs broken with a steel tubing while being hit,I am called a kid frker, three times I am hit, three times,all I say, NO-I am Not.*
Well plenty of perople would be too happy with you IMO.
( your a gutless wonder, you would travel in packs to hurt a single soul )
* 2003: the beginning of removal of a partner and children.*
Good well done DOCS
( I hope one of your family members Dies ).
WHY SHOULDN’T IT> SO FAR YOU HAVE COST ME AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO WORKS READING THIS A FORTUNE. <<--yaps your for sure are a retard.
*2005, removal of first son and partner,Possible another child.*
You are IMOP truly sickening!
( wait till one of your family members dies )
*2007, removal second son and partner, this time 5 cops to surround me.*
GOOD ON THE QLD POLICE FORCE AND DOCS!! Thank you!
( make that your mum and dad and ya dog to, watch them die ).
*2008, updated to a terrorist that wants to take hostages*.
I can imagine…
( no you cant Imagine, your a retard )
I err'd. I understood my action was wrong and I went and made sure I would never ever stumble ever like that ever again,*
GOOD
( gee, Im glad I got your approval, now, can I have a cookie )
Another one. Probably some poor unfortunate person who was of course living on welfare so you took her in. etc…..
Its criminal really criminal that some people seen to walk the fact of this earth while wonderful human beings such as Victa Chan was shot and murdered by a bunch of grubs.
( yes, it is, why are you still breathing ???.)
You are without a doubt IMOP evil and quite dangerous. I hope they are keeping a VERY close eye on you.
( You have No idea of Evil) and I still hope your family members ups and dies.)
BUT please introduce a blue card because the public are sick of paying for these clean up operations.
Prevention is always better than cure.
( I bet you were butt frk'd by Uncle Johhny, Ay)
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Sniper Why call people
Sniper Why call people Retards when they speak their mind? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion That is why its a free Public Forum, Why get your back up if its Untrue, it its rubbish just ignore it. But you get nasty and call names etc That is not very Mature!
Why Would the Mother get compensation if the child was the one that received the money? Also how did the Mother Press charges against you if This Girl was in state care under a 18 year order.. wouldn't it be up to the dept if they did this since a 18 year order awards full long term Guardianship to the chief executive for 18 years ? and the dept make long term decisions and day to day care to the child? so in a sence the mother would make no impact as the dept would need to make a legal complaint against you?
Also Agree Compensation is awarded to someone for more than a one off time, so i must agree this was more than once sorry Sniper,
Don't you think the dept have right to claim and call you a kid f'ker as you put it .. let me spell it out for you... you had sex with a 15 yo old girl she is still technically a child under 16.. you had sex with her even if it was consented too and you admitted to this and we're charged for this .. you committed a illegal act and in sense you had sex with a child under the age of 16.. so you are in fact in the depts eyes a Child Abuser. and rightfully so.
Don't wish death upon anyone 's family Sniper that is not a normal thing too do.. MAYBE you need help more than you are receiving.. Ask for Psychiatric help you sure need it.
Sniper you know the dept and Qld Police Did their role correctly and given the circumstances and the linkage they had every right to warrant the removal of your families/children.
Don't be a smart arse just accept your role as the adult and you took advantage of a 15 year old child and you say you we're Suffering from Depression.. do you see others suffering from depression out there having sex with minors? and being charged and spending 12 months in Jail NO .. instead you say you we're turned away from counseling etc don't give up then go to church and find faith and talk to a social worker there and ring one of the hot lines on the phone like Life line etc people do care and listen .. you are just full of excuses.
I'm Sure the Police are keeping a close eye on you since you we're the one that committed a illegal offense against a child under 16 and i know for a fact the CPIU as you put it wouldn't back you.. i mean if they did why didn't they help you when they we're removing your children at the time?
I Agree With the Blue Card Here, and Graham knows my reason's why, But Sniper you have just Reinforced the reason why it should be in Place. and by saying that comment '( I bet you were butt frk'd by Uncle Johhny, Ay)' that is just sicking and i hope you get the psychiatric help that you so desperately need you have gone beyond the belt, you know making fun of child abuse is no laughing matter and you should be ashamed of yourself .. How dare you say that to another Human Being. it just goes to show you don't take your offense so seriously.. Also have you ever thought of the children out there that are raped by people and are in care cause of this and are suffering everyday cause of this .. you are seriously deranged to be joking about this.,. you have gone way too far this time.
Also People have said that you committing this offense plays no part on your parenting well i beg to differ you see as they state men go over sea's for sex with children and you know what most of these men are caught and prosecuted either in Australia or over sea's and are set up and their children are removed from their care etc and these men should pay life in Prison they are sick Puppies in my opinion.
See i believe their is a linkage between having sex with a minor and future risk of sexual abuse with your own kids to other kids in the community, if i was the dept i would make sure a 24 hour watch take place on you. and you would never be allowed around minors again., what you did was child abuse clear cut case.
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The same as they call me a Kid Frker.
And your saying someone like graham got a mind?.
Cause everyday I have to live with retards attitude that cant see past, that two wrongs dont make a right.
The girl was in care with the dept till 18, I didnt say the mother got a compo, I sarcastically said that, to a Q: to what the mother might of got from it.
The mother has been under the Department Since the 80's when her brother Molested her eldest daughter(when she was still crawling) the brother got 6 months in a mental ward.
I was the 1st person she came to,to tell of it, My reaction:, got my mate and went hunting for him. cops beat me to him.
Also Agree Compensation is awarded to someone for more than a one off time, so i must agree this was more than once sorry Sniper,<--- see how you prejudged, you AssuMed and that just made a arse out of you.
Polygraph confirms I spoke the truth on this Question, The Girl herself will tell you, Only Once, My eldest son will also tell you, Once.
The mother had that choice that morning after myself and the girl,informed the mother to what happen the night before.
The mother didnt ring DOCs or Cops, did she, Hell frking No. but stated myself and the mother are going to get married , she the mother went and brought wedding rings for herself and me, went and brought a wedding dress and told all her friends That WE are getting married. 7 months of myself saying NO. at the end of that 7 months,the mother leaves the home and the next day, I am Questioned by Cops.Ect-Ect-Ect. No one questions the two before me or the one after me.
Don't you think the dept have right to claim and call you a kid f'ker as you put it. <--- NO. they dont, there is a fine line and Docs Opted to Do as They Did. and push me over that line to give me this Pedo Status.
you committed a illegal act <<<---- yes, I did.and paid for it and paid for it and did I mention, PAID for it, so to did Docs they to committed a illegal act.
Don't wish death upon anyone 's family Sniper that is not a normal thing too do. <<--- They wished mine dead and voice that out here. Maybe That death, will open their cold hearts.
Sniper you know the dept and Qld Police Did their role correctly and given the circumstances and the linkage they had every right to warrant the removal of your families/children.<---- they did nothing Correctly and you Know it.
Don't be a smart arse just accept your role as the adult and you took advantage of a 15 year old child<<--- oh! grow up, I didnt take any stinking Advantage what so ever.
I have seen others in depression, Kill themselves, have seen them hurt others, have seen it and felt it.
Yeah! sure, ring life line, get some Asian that cant speak English, or ring and ring and obtain someone in WA. yeah, lifeline, good system that.
I'm Sure the Police are keeping a close eye on you since you we're the one that committed a illegal offense against a child under 16<<<--- you be so wrong. I goto them and they tell me to leave, your not flagged...Huh???.
My last Partner in SA,only last year this time. We get invaded by docs, No questions asked of me, by either DOCS or Cops, The partner didnt state at anytime she wanted me to leave..Yet,I am charged with trespassing and placed on the streets of SA. Who is manipulating the Law?. who broke the laws.?...
Oh! lets talk BLUE CARD, thats a sham if I ever saw One.
Oh! yeah, just great, toss over all that help to see psychiatric, thats your answer to everything, Ay.
I dont take retards seriously and I am a shamed of myself,I was born in a country that Is retarded and run by retards.
Well, for all I know Uncle johhny could of done a good job on Graham , for him to be so self righteous.
I think of how many children DOCS have stole from normal stable homes to place these kids to be raped or murdered in society.
See i believe their is a linkage between having sex with a minor and future risk of sexual abuse with your own kids to other kids in the community, if i was the dept i would make sure a 24 hour watch take place on you. and you would never be allowed around minors again., what you did was child abuse clear cut case.
( have you also been molested to have this attitude ?.)
If i was the dept i would make sure a 24 hour watch take place on you. and you would never be allowed around minors again., what you did was child abuse clear cut case.
( yeah, I think you were molested, was it Uncle Johnny again?.)
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
i don't agree with Graham all
i don't agree with Graham all the time but he/she does have some good reasoning behind their post's yes.
And some of her/his post are right, and calling someone a retard doesn't make you any better or right.
Ok so the Girl is in Care, and the mother pressed the charges but i don't see how this could happen legally since the dept chief executive has care of her till she turns 18 so i would have thought that the dept are the ones that need to press charges since they have her long term welfare and day to day care not the mother etc
Then if you and the mother were this close. and you knew her brother molested her eldest daughter, why have sex with her 15 year old? that is just as bad as what her brother did and in my opinion you took advantage of this girl
Polygraph results you claimed that confirm this well if this is the case .. can i see them? and your son said once well of course he is going to think his father is innocent and the gift to god would a son down his father NO? I didn't know they used Polygraph's in court cases like this.... i would like to see the results..
I'm Confused about what you just said about the marriage and the weddding rings are you saying the girl wanted to get married of the mother?
Technically you did earn the pedo status Sniper. you had sex with a child under the age of 16 right? she is a child and you had sex with a child and in dept terms that is child abuse or could be seen as pedophilia if you look at it like them. They should have charged you for having sex with a child under 16 if i was that worker i sure wold have.
please enlighten me to how Docs committed a illegal act they did nothing wrong and you won't change my mind, and stop comparing still stuff back to other people you are really starting to frustrate me
No One wished death upon your family, you lost your son and that is very sad sniper, but lets face it its time to move on and get your life back together
dept and police did everything correctly and you know it.
Sniper you did take advantage this girl was a kid she was 15 under the legal age, you are the adult and you had sex with a child you took advantage of this child.
i mean how could you think so sexually of this child to even have sex with her... deranged mind...
Yes Depression can kill and self harm cause other problems but they certainly do not tell you to go have sex with a minor.. stop the excuses
You are always full of excuses my friend, next time i need a excuse i will come to you... Life line is good and good system in place for many Australian's across the states and even if it we're Asian ( racist now too?)
or someone from another state does it really matter as long as you get the help you need and not to go sleep with a minor?
Why is the Blue Card a sham... please explain this i'm interested to hear this theory...
The country is not run by retards, simple sniper don't like it get the hell out!
You said 'Well, for all I know Uncle johhny could of done a good job on Graham , for him to be so self righteous.' i just didn't think you could go any lower and u just did i beside myself right now.. you think child abuse is something to joke about... how would you like to be abused as a child constantly raped and tourted by someone and then joke about it all while you have bad dreams about it everyday and suffer in more ways than anyone thought could be possible.. don't joke about it sniper its not a joke child abuse is serious.
kids are not raped or murdered in society apart from Lukey, that i take on board but again you are judging some that not here to defend them selves dept aren't here to defend them selves yet you state things.
You Said "See i believe their is a linkage between having sex with a minor and future risk of sexual abuse with your own kids to other kids in the community, if i was the dept i would make sure a 24 hour watch take place on you. and you would never be allowed around minors again., what you did was child abuse clear cut case.
( have you also been molested to have this attitude ?.)''
For a matter of fact Yes i was very Much Molested by a family member and family friends over a long period of time and child abuse is not something i take lightly.. and no child should, but even my husband wasn't abused but he takes the matter seriously.
You Said '.
( yeah, I think you were molested, was it Uncle Johnny again?.)' Yes i was Molested in many ways Sniper and i have a strong belief against this abuse in society and i can tell you i wouldn't go joking about abuse as it not a laughing matter it is a serious problem and clearly one you suffer from being a sexual predator..
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Wild Child LEAVE IT
My dear
The first thing you need to understand is anybody who uses the word retard is offensive to people who have real learning delays.
Child abusers- especially the ones that are caught out and kept away from kids continue their sickness by talking about it
Thats as close as they can get.
So dont feed the illness.
Be it on the street, or on the net you must see the people you choose to talk to you are judged by.
You want to talk about something- if I can help anyway I shall.
But for god sake leave off lowering your standands to discuss child abuse with grubs.
You have come a long way, but you need to know that you dont have to talk to low lifes.
Nice people are around too. You got my private email through this site./
The matter you are discussing is a case where a young girl was hurt and paid her compo.
Lets not drag her pain out/ She might even read the thread- or trip over it oneday/
Think how you would feel or anybody else/
Also its clear to me the mother of the child removed herself, and her daughter as soon as she discovered her boyfriend where she was living with the child was abusing that child.
Either way lets give it a rest. You said get on with your life and stop talking about it all the time.
Then you raise the topic again
For everybodys sake dear FORGET ABOUT IT
Its not helping
Graham
Graham
no, but you wouldnt mind sleeping with him.
Ok so the Girl is in Care, and the mother pressed the charges but i don't see how this could happen legally since the dept chief executive has care of her till she turns 18 so i would have thought that the dept are the ones that need to press charges since they have her long term welfare and day to day care not the mother etc.
( thats Docs for you, they couldnt careless for that girl, her mother flogs the shit out of her and her younger sister.but every week end and school holidays, them kids are there being abused by the mother.)
Then if you and the mother were this close. and you knew her brother molested her eldest daughter, why have sex with her 15 year old? that is just as bad as what her brother did and in my opinion you took advantage of this girl.
( cos, that 15 yr old, knew what she was doing) and you would think it just as bad,Ay. )
please enlighten me to how Docs committed a illegal act they did nothing wrong and you won't change my mind, and stop comparing still stuff back to other people you are really starting to frustrate me.
(now I know your a doc worker) illegal acts,includes, File tampering, fabrication, manipulation,perjury,contempt of court.
No One wished death upon your family, you lost your son and that is very sad sniper, but lets face it its time to move on and get your life back together.
(hypocrite, time to move on??. yeah right. how many times do I need to move on ?.)they did nothing correctly,only correctly broke the laws.)
Sniper you did take advantage this girl was a kid she was 15 .you took advantage of this child.
( No I frking Didnt ) You really do have a the Forrest in your eyes )
Yes Depression can kill and self harm cause other problems but they certainly do not tell you to go have sex with a minor.. stop the excuses.
( and you have a Diploma on this Fact?. how people react in depression is not the same as you would react or anybody else)
You are always full of excuses my friend, next time i need a excuse i will come to you... Life line is good and good system in place for many Australian's across the states and even if it we're Asian ( racist now too?)
or someone from another state does it really matter as long as you get the help you need and not to go sleep with a minor?
( Just like that teenager that dies in the bush, rings 000 and zit happens, same to with life line, they read from a book to how to respond) Sure, I'll sell you 5 excuses for 1000 bucks.) why have a person that cant even speak English proper,be in a job that requires english ?.)
Why is the Blue Card a sham... please explain this i'm interested to hear this theory.
( the blue card was brought out, to defy who can be and who can not be. Yet, from School teachers to any one working with kids, Still had sex with children or students. Oh! and lets not forget the Cops, or dont you watch the local news.
People slip though the blue card trap, just as Docs workers who have been molested or abused are now in a position to do as They wish, Kill,lie and all they do,is wave a blue card.)
The country is not run by retards, simple sniper don't like it get the hell out!
OH! really, I bet if there was a poll starting with Howard to Rudd, the Retard meter will burst)
You said 'Well, for all I know Uncle johhny could of done a good job on Graham , for him to be so self righteous.' i just didn't think you could go any lower and u just did i beside myself right now.. you think child abuse is something to joke about... how would you like to be abused as a child constantly raped and tourted by someone and then joke about it all while you have bad dreams about it everyday and suffer in more ways than anyone thought could be possible.. don't joke about it sniper its not a joke child abuse is serious.
( I can go as low as a Snake) my bum is still cherry tight, so,true, I dont know that feeling of being raped, But I Do know to what its like to be abused by DOCs,starting at the age of 5.I do know what it feels like to be flogged, I do know from past partners to how, they would just jump out of bed,screaming, and sit in conner and cry, I know how that all feels. I was in my last relationship a yr. and I saw how the children reacted to me and how they spoke of their pains to me of being molested by their father. Hows this for a Joke. the partner I had in 2004 to 2006, from the age of 5,molested, at age 7-9-11-13 and 15, molested and raped and AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!, She complains and Nothing is done, she comes into my life, and in 6 months,I mend Her. in 20minutes of DOC's,she is right back to where she started. Nice job,Ay.)
kids are not raped or murdered in society apart from Lukey, that i take on board but again you are judging some that not here to defend them selves dept aren't here to defend them selves yet you state things.
(wow, What a profounded statement, Luke is but,just One of many, Seems your defending the Dept,pretty well)
Care to explain then, to why a child goes to this Dept and reports she is being molested by her carer, and the Dept do nothing, Until she goes back to that Dept,pours petrol all over herself and Lights UP. guess Docs have to concede to believe her now,Ay.)
You Said "See i believe their is a linkage between having sex with a minor and future risk of sexual abuse with your own kids to other kids in the community, if i was the dept i would make sure a 24 hour watch take place on you. and you would never be allowed around minors again., what you did was child abuse clear cut case.
( have you also been molested to have this attitude ?.)''
( your a retard, how I wish I had that 24 hrs around the clock watching. and frk you,) I dont see any frking stinking Docs worker around me, when I do have Minors at my home, They only attack when the mothers on the birth table and send in 5 cops, to do their dirty work. How shocked you will be, when these minors stand up for me in a court of law...)
For a matter of fact Yes i was very Much Molested by a family member and family friends over a long period of time and child abuse is not something i take lightly.. and no child should, but even my husband wasn't abused but he takes the matter seriously.
( i can see in your writings,That that took place. Thats how it was for the 2004-06 partner, she was and I wasnt)
i wouldn't go joking about abuse as it not a laughing matter it is a serious problem and clearly one you suffer from being a sexual predator..
(i bet after you got to know me, truly know me, how you will swallow each and every word)
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
reply to you sniper
Who ever brought the Charges on you, well doesn't really matter now does it? it just needed to happen and it did and you did your time.
i don't think she is as bad as you having sex with her she is still legally a child sniper and under 16 that is called child abuse, and you are the adult and you could say no thanks.
well for starters i am no dept worker, but i can tell you this i would have the child's best interest at heart in this situation, but i always wanted to be a social worker :) but if the dept we're in contempt of court why didn't anyone say anything? and tampering and list goes on as you say , why let them do it? why not file a legal suit against them? yes there is corruption but they are not untouchable .. still don't believe the corruption is that bad though as you extrate a lot and the dept do a lot of good work in the field of child protection.
They did their job correctly to you in the situation like i explained many times before they thought the children we're at great risk in the care of you as you have committed child abuse to the girl.. as the linkage.
So you didn't take advantage of a young girl a 15 yo that is legally a child and you say was abused before and you had sex with her, in my eyes you took advantage of her and her life
Depression causes all kinds of effects to everybody in different ways but it is a proven fact that sex offenders suffer from a psychiatric illness if they commit such a crime on a child, i have a friend that is a professor and he told me these facts
Getting someone on the Phone when you in desperate need shouldn't matter if they can speak English or not its the fact they listen isn't it? if you are not happy with them call parent line
some dept workers have been abused Yes but they do not take it personally like you think, facts have to be proven before they make a decision on the alleged person but don't you think they would be suited to the job since they know the abuse signs and patten of behavior too look for and they know what it is like to be abused by a person, so they can relate to the abused child?
Well that is Your Opinion, My belief is Rudd is doing a general okay but he ain't perfect but there are things he should change
Jokes about Bums aren't funny when related to child abuse this is a serious epidemic
Yes what happened to her sounds bad, but someone who has been sexually abused need professional help and years of therapy
Yes i will Defend the dept when they are not here to defend themselves they do do good, but you see this the carer has had a complaint against her and usually takes a investigation phase of progress to address the compliant but the child didn't give them time to do that, she would usually be placed else where until the investigation is over but seems she acted in such a way i would believe it was either happening or she was suffering from depression or psychiatric illness at the time
That fact is Sniper there is a linkage between having sex with that minor and future risk of having sex with your children, its child abuse.
Yes abuse is something i take lightly specially when i was abused but luckily he went to jail for what he done to me but no jail time will ever replace my childhood that was taken from me
Maybe i would, but if you we're being the true you i would properly be saying that right now.
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Here we go around the merry go round
Who ever brought the Charges on you, well doesn't really matter now does it? it just needed to happen and it did and you did your time.
( then the same should also apply to DOCs, They need to pay for all the crimes they got away with. )
and under 16 that is called child abuse, and you are the adult and you could say no thanks.
( there was NO abuse, why? cant you see that?. again, I was not in the right frame of mind,to be logical. why cant you accept that ?.)
but if the dept we're in contempt of court why didn't anyone say anything? and tampering and list goes on as you say , why let them do it? why not file a legal suit against them? yes there is corruption but they are not untouchable .. still don't believe the corruption is that bad though as you extrate a lot and the dept do a lot of good work in the field of child protection.
( they only true way, This can ever be proven, is in that court of law.) That will end ALL this Shit once and for all., I know DOCS are chicken shit to even consider any form of court to be accountable in. they have more to hide,then I will ever do.)
They did their job correctly to you in the situation like i explained many times before they thought the children we're at great risk in the care of you as you have committed child abuse to the girl.. as the linkage.
( what part of "no!! they didnt" you dont get ?. and when are you going to get off your high horse, That there was NO abuse ?. only from docs, starting from 2003.)
So you didn't take advantage of a young girl a 15 yo that is legally a child and you say was abused before and you had sex with her, in my eyes you took advantage of her and her life.
( wish you make up your mind, I didnt, I did, I didnt,I did. How is it your finding ever excuses to defend DOCs?)
Depression causes all kinds of effects to everybody in different ways but it is a proven fact that sex offenders suffer from a psychiatric illness if they commit such a crime on a child, i have a friend that is a professor and he told me these facts.
( your Professor,is classed as a repeater and has no iota, let me enlighten you on these so called educated Psych's. The father to that is none other then Sigmund fraud, who had sex with his mother, had sex with children and his own, took cocaine and then wrote a book about it, to which every Uni student that becomes a docs Works, learnt from a Pedo...Ironic).
Getting someone on the Phone when you in desperate need shouldn't matter if they can speak English or not its the fact they listen isn't it? if you are not happy with them call parent line.
( pass, these groups are nothing more then a waste of space.)
some dept workers have been abused Yes but they do not take it personally like you think.
( your joking,Right?. I have on tape recording, a docs worker, stating, she was molested and now is in a positions to do as she wishes, I also have 2 other eye witness's to this fact. Im not the only one that thinks that happens. Bligh has been molested to, and look what she is doing.
facts have to be proven before they make a decision on the alleged person but don't you think they would be suited to the job since they know the abuse signs and patten of behavior too look for and they know what it is like to be abused by a person, so they can relate to the abused child?.
(no kidding sherlock. the only Facts DOCs got of me is that 15 yr old. The rest is fabrication and file adding. These retards, dont even know body language or even human behavior.Dont have kids and or are Lesbians, They add what they want,They twist the words of a child to suit what they need,They demoralize the partners, My last one, gee! if only I had a video camera that night.)(even when a abused child informs them, They do nothing,until she pours petrol on herself and lights up.)
Well that is Your Opinion, My belief is Rudd is doing a general okay but he ain't perfect but there are things he should change.
(oh! hell yeah, Hes doing just fine, frking up this country) dont worry, we get another Fake sorry.)
Jokes about Bums aren't funny when related to child abuse this is a serious epidemic.
( again I state and quote, MY bum is cherry tight.)( I am not gay as docs makes me out to be.)
Yes i will Defend the dept when they are not here to defend themselves they do do good,
(your a blind bat,flying radical, Docs are too gutless to even defend themselves with me in a court room)(if there was a bookmaker here, the odds be a 1000 to 1, that DOCS are chicken shit. even to come on here in the open.)
That fact is Sniper there is a linkage between having sex with that minor and future risk of having sex with your children, its child abuse.
(there is NO facts to state that anywhere, and if there is, I just shot it all to pieces. how docs can twist my desires to be a father into A pedo,can only be done by Docs.)
Your a bitter woman,Wild: you blame all men as I blame Docs. DO you have full proof that your husband is not a closet pedo?. what tests did he take to convince you?. cause I want the same test.)
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
MY HUSBAND IS
dept don't need to pay for anything, they have done nothing wrong specially in your case okay? and when they are wrong, what is wrong with a sorry?
Why can't you see even in a unclear state people who loose their kids don't go out and and have sex with under age children, see the thing is it is child abuse you had sex with a child under the age of 16 she is a child and you abused her you are a child abuser. want to see the dept's act on this?
No i think you are talk, and i would go to far to say i think the dept would show in court, it is just you that doesn't do the action of bringing it to court...
The only abuse was you having sex with that young girl it is child abuse she was 15 she is a child. she is under 16 you had sex with her and it is child abuse, and that is the only abuse here, and the children we're at risk of sexual abuse from you and the dept removed them and rightfully so,
i defend dept cause they are governed body that protect children from abuse and risk of abuse, and they are very much needed specially in your case, you we're a high risk
that may be the case. but the Professor and dept workers i know do not at any time commit and acts of child abuse upon a child that is your job you do so well at,
SEE YOU have every excuse under the sun, when you are in dire need to talk to someone... you are lost cause.
You have proof Bligh was Molested? i wouldn't like to be you stating these facts that would be untrue, and you say you have a recording of a worker admitting to they we're molested and witness's, first off you are not allowed to tape record any dept worker at all it is illegal. so can't use that. and also witness's can lie for you they don't have to tell the truth now do they? did you inform the worker you we're recording her i bet not! but even if she was molested who cares? as long as she does her job that is all that matters.
Why do you constantly use other cases to be portrayed as the victim? cause you are guilty in your case of abuse,the dept had every right to take your children
Doc Sniper you are a pathetic winger that needs a life
You are a sick person.
Well You say Dept won't come on here and Defend them selves... How do you know i'm not a docs Worker?
The fact is there is truth behind depts statement you are a risk to all children, that you could sexually abuse them.
You wanna know what my Husband is? He is a Forensic Pschologist and he has no Criminal History and he is a law abiding citizen he does not commit acts of crime on children, the only pedophile is you or risk of that if you wish,
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your a frkhead
hope that curse kicks in soon
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Sniper you need Help
You Are Very Mature by Making silly Post's
Stop the Swearing and take the Criticism.
I would hate too see you at work if you can't take my Criticism, you wouldn't last Very Long.
But please stop Swearing this can offend people and Children could come Across this site :)
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Wild Child Stop
It would be great to see a thread on here about aged care. If you dont mind.
A blog or thread somewhere else on the forum so we can post about that.
Maybe even start one on child abuse.
I am sure many people could be helped by talking to you and learn the way home- so`s to speak.
I can see you need to talk about abuse by a family member. Thats GOOD. It must be so hurtful to be betrayed like that. But you know what! You made it. YOU made it. Dont go back there to invite a relaps by talking to ABUSERS
Dont think either you can save anybody else from themselves - or reach out to them for that understanding love and acknowledgement of regret and apology you so rightfully deserve.
These statements about Lukes Foster mother also are both sueable and outragous.
WE dont know that he didnt meet his death by way of an accident.
We havent heard the foster Mums story. But most of all try telling us more about your life now and help others to come as far as you have.
I for one would be interested to read your new thread if you were to open one about our wonderful aged people. The basis of this nation.
Rock Spiders
*I dont see any frking stinking Docs worker around me, when I do have Minors at my home, They only attack when the mothers on the birth table and send in 5 cops, to do their dirty work. How shocked you will be, when these minors stand up for me in a court of law...*)
Really, how intresting. So you have children around without their parents for company.
Well sunshine, you might just see DOCS - and others in the near furture IMO
You come into a thread about a little boy who died. His fathers worried as to what happend to him while he was in care- and you DARE speak of child abuse! You evil B@
You have defamed Lukes foster mother on this thread.
So I will ask the web master to remove those remarks. If that isnt done i will bring this to the attention of the AT.
Forums must be carefully editored
You are not doing Lukes Dad any favours or Luke thats for SURE
Graham
One more thing Wild Child
My dear
I think you know deep down you know you hurt the Foster mother on this site- by acusing her of only having the little ones to make money
As far as putting pics up. I dont know the rules.
I wouldnt- but thats just me.
You never know what grub is hanging out in places on the net etc
I just feel some of the stuff you said WAS hurtful and I dont think it was warranted.
But if you think it was fair enough.
I trust you to think about this and let your heart be the judge.
If you meant it- then leave it as stands- but if you were just cross - even if you felt bullied- Well you know what to do
Graham
Shameful Sniper
( make that your mum and dad and ya dog to, watch them die ).
( You have No idea of Evil) and I still hope your family members ups and dies.)
( I bet you were butt frk'd by Uncle Johhny, Ay)
You go too far. Way too far.
Is this how you deal with any critism or questioning outside of the forums?
Go have this conversation with Natasha or Ms69. The ones that get off on spreading pain.
Seems I have NO shame
I wish I had the ballz to go further. a chopper read wannabe.
If my sarcasm is below the belt, So be it.
Its people like Graham, who believe they are so self righteous, Pharisee's, He be the Prick that Would throw a Stone at Christ and help the romans place him on the cross.
Criticism is one thing, Prejudging is another.
Go watch a DVD called "John Q", then a dvd called "Cry wolf".
heres a little Aussie history for you. Ned Kelly. all started due to Cops breaking their own laws.
Look up a Hal Gringes and his story of 13 yrs battle with DOCs.
go re-read the Forde Inquiries findings.
Speak with the Stolen generation, the old and new, Thats why we got a show on TV, called Missing Pieces. Children looking for a lost Parent/s-family.
DOCs now is class as a dating agent,Unless Docs approves, a woman cant have a man under the same roof if theres kids below 18.
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Sniper its comments like this
Sniper its comments like this 'I wish I had the ballz to go further. a chopper read wannabe.' that reinforces to me that you need some help.. who would want to be chopper read... this kind of behavior is so not healthy.
You know what i think, i think you we're wrong to have sex with a minor, you lost your family and rightfully so and they had all grounds to take them away and keep them away but in a way i feel sorry for you.. but i do believe now 8 years later you should get at least phone contact strictly supervised. the way you act and tell people what you are feeling is wrong though, you need to grow up a bit and learn to take some criticism and the fact is you we're in the wrong here so just accept the responsibility and in time people will think more of you when you accept your fault in this case.
Christ has nothing to do with Graham again you are making silly statements about things that shouldn't even matter, if you have a problem With GRAHAM take it to email and be over with it already
Sniper Movies are Fantasy but i will not deny things like this don't happen in reality they do when the workers have a abuse of power, but this is not the case in your case. you we're dealt with appropriately in my books
Every dept case is different and you shouldn't compare cases as they are not the same, but their would not be cases if their were no 'concerns'
Have read the Forde Inquiries and doesn't change my mind about the dept at all.. every body make the mistakes just with the dept i accept their mistakes as it is the childs life they are dealing with not some thing life less...
Stolen generation is a whole different story.. and this had nothing to do with you... again you are comparing things that have nothing to do with you? why?
You said "DOCs now is class as a dating agent,Unless Docs approves, a woman cant have a man under the same roof if theres kids below 18." Yeah they are and they have every right too.. wanna know why what if the man is abuser or a pedophile and the subject children are at risk because of this 'man' i would want dept to scan my partner if i was in the situation of this before i let him near my kids. it totally the right thing to do well done dept :)
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Really, no shit......
Who doesnt want to be Chopper read??.
Oh, so John Q is a Fantasy?.
I wonder if you could accept your husband having sex with another female all cos, she gives better head then you do. You would up and pack and take the kids and rightful so.
Im sick of accepting its ALL my fault. DOCS are the retards that cant, CANT even conduct traffic.
Im in the open, I dont hide behide emails.
Wrong, all dept are the same. those concerns could of been dealt with in 2003,not to covered it up.
oh! so you accept a 12 yr old being ganged rape, removed,then handed back to be gang raped.?.
You accept docs workers sneaking to a island to supply grog/drugs to children.?.
You accept that DOCs are corrupted, now that says alot for your morals, dont it ?.
Stolen generation is not a different story and has plenty to do with me, for my kids have been stolen and just like the ones before them, they to will seek Justice and only get a fake sorry.
So, You are a doc's worker, recruiting men to the dating (docs Agency) for single women with kids, guess that beats being a carer. :)
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
No one Normal wants to be CHOPPER READ
No one Normal wants to be Chopper read,
John Q is Fantasy,if it we're based on a true story far enough but it is not, you want to see abuse from a child through a child's eyes watch a movie called 'Towel head' truly disgusting how a well to do man and husband can take advantage of a minor, sickins me
If My Husband said she gives Better head than so be it,
i would not leave him if it was one off, but if it was too of course i would leave.
But dept might make little mistakes but they do know how to run and correctly run it from day to day or they wouldn't be in business and they would get other workers that could run it. but simple problems co exists within the dept like i have said understaffed and over worked, need more staff to ensure they do not fail
Yes it should not have dragged out for Years Sniper but it did and in the end the result was a positive result.
oh please sniper dept do not sneak grog or drugs to kids that is so funny stuff if i ever did, these are the people protecting the children remember that? i never said they are corrupt as such i said they do make mistakes but some officers can be corrupt it can be in any dept office. they are so overloaded with cases that need attention,
So you claim your children are stolen and you have the same rights as the Stolen Generation? don't think so your children we're removed based on risk of sexual abuse from you, the aboriginals children we're wrongly taken from them and that is wrong and that is stolen ,
i ain't no dept worker so that theory is wrong but tell you this if i didn't have a past with THEM would be working there YES.
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Choppers Fan club.
Rethink that again and you be so shocked to know, there is many out there that look up at Chopper.
John Q is only a fantasy to you, go get the DVD and save yourself the embarrassment.
I seen 1st hand of child abuse, I need no DVD to know, what I know happens.
lo, so you dont give good head. thats where you become that hypocrite, That one off, is all it takes, remember, thats what you said to me.)
But dept might make little mistakes but they do know how to run and correctly run it from day to day
( they couldnt even conduct traffic at the go cart circuit.)
They are in business to steal children and destroy normal stable homes, to fabricate and to manipulate.
yes it should not have dragged out for Years Sniper but it did and in the end the result was a positive result.
( are your sure you have the elevator going all the way to the roof?.or are you 20 cents short of a dollar ?.)
oh please sniper dept do not sneak grog or drugs to kids that is so funny stuff if i ever did,
( 2004, two townsville docs workers sneak over to palm island and supply grog and drugs to kids.( made the local news here.) again, you really do need to get out of your kitty litter)their punishment, was to be transfer elsewhere in QLD) Justice at work for Docs...)
they are so overloaded with cases that need attention,
(huh-huh, a docs worker works 2 days a week, will come and murder a family and then goes on a 2 week holiday) oh hell yeah, they so overloaded with corruption)
No, my kids were stolen, Docs fabricated so that it looked as if. now, why did you say "don't think so your children we're removed based on risk of sexual abuse from you". thats the same excuse docs used, your plainly telling me I frk my kids as docs does. Why dont you get off your fat arse and Just speak to my eldest son.I'll even give you the numbers to 3 of the last partners,maybe their words will bring you back into reality, Ill give you my eldest PH number.) cant say to much for the last 2 kids, as they cant speak. They must of used mind reading to relay all that, Huh)
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Chopper is no icon to want to
Chopper is no icon to want to be, he is a freak,
oh i have seen the dvd , no need to get it, but you only want it to be reality as it suits you.
The dept we're created to build better family foundations and help with family issues and to help protect the vulnerable and child at risk of harm and do it everyday, the front line child protection workers should be happy of their commitment to the community and the families and the children, if it weren't for the dept they wouldn't be happy we're they are today.
No you are the one 20 cents short of a dollar, Maybe one day when you are caught again you will be put away in a safe place so you can never harm another child ever again,
Ha dept workers work 5 days a week sorry from 8.30- 5.30 and sometimes after hours if a removal is to be done and this is just doing there job and i know this is the hours of operation.
Well that is not very bright to give out number where children are placed that is risking your children's safety needs, but yes I'm saying the same what dept are saying and they have every right to say that, some children are in denial for years of abuse they received from family of any kind lets just hope it didn't happen to them and the it was only risk but thank god the dept removed you so there is no future of posing a risk to them and the small children well see they are profiled on their reactions and developmental stages and how they act etc the are child specialist and they know their all to well, more than you would ever understand as you are the 'victim' oh no i mean ' child abuser'
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DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
The age Barrier is is 18 when
The age Barrier is is 18 when the child is in the care of Dept Yes. but i have never heard of anyone getting in trouble by having sex with a child under the 18 year order in the care of the dept. i mean if the child was 16 or 17 and on a 18 year order, i personally think the legal age Limit should be 18 and the govt should change this, i mean at 16 and 17 they are still babies and babies are having sex and having babies so wrong in my opinion. they need time to grow and mature and take sex for what it really is and not cause their mates are having sex and they feel pressured to have sex etc
16 is far too young to be having sex, drive a car and so forth etc
But the fact is Sniper you Had Sex When she was 15 turning 16 so it was underage sex with a minor and that is wrong.
only a parent? well parent/s can mean both or 1 does it really matter it was still her parent?
you was charged as carnal knowledge, Not pedophilia or child abuse Yes that is true but the fact i was pointing out in the eyes of dept there can be a Linkage Between having sex with underage minor to having sex with your child/ren in the future can't you see it from their point of view even i can? And the truth of the matter is at that point in time their would have been a 'high risk ' of that occurring,
It wasn't twisted Sniper it was a Possibility of you having sex with others as you did a minor (the girl) to having sex with other girls to having sex with boys to babies you see this is what i mean the Linkage between the crime and the future Risk? and they had every right to be protecting the children at the time.
You say we won't know the Story and all facts 100% well why don't you tell us so we might understand where you are coming from then?
So this Fling you had going with this girl went over 7 months? and the mother wanted you to get married and when you didn't want to she pressed charges is that right? and your son Witnessed it all? did he go to the court case for you and give witness? You know having a sexual r/ship with this Girl for over 7 months is wrong and i thought it was a 1 time thing? Depression is a bad mental illness Yes but it doesn't make you Sleep with Minor's that is YOUR call.. if you we're suffering why didn't you seek counseling or Therapist instead of sleeping with a minor, if i lost my son that is the last thing i would think of doing..
So your now saying you Didn't want to have sex with her and it was all her doing? and she received a 12,500 compensation for that ? You Know what i think i think you we're in too it as much as she would have been, and i think no money should have exchanged hands at all and i think you should have been Jailed for the offense with special conditions of not being around Minors in the Future.
Your right you weren't in the right frame of Mind, depression can do funny things but it don't make you sleep with Minors ... That was YOUR call my friend, if you we're suffering like you say you seek help from health Professionals and therapist etc
If you Have Been Involved with dept for over 6 years there has to be something wrong as they just don't come involved for the hell of it, there has to be a initial complaint or notification coming from somebody and the claims of abuse go to the scan team and then to the intervention team and the manager and the senior Practitioner And then they ALL decide if the removal is necessary so the removal must of been warranted to remove your children at the time, and you can't say this is all a conspiracy theory? There had to be some risk to the children at the time again this goes back to my Linkage i was referring to before
To me Personally i would want Years!! of someone to prove they would not re committ a child related offense, that is the problem here you had sex with a minor even if it was willing or consented what you did was ILLEGAL and you could comitt the same offense with the linkage i said before in the dept's eyes. You were charged with this offense and in the dept's eyes you committed child abuse.
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Personally It should be 21.
but i have never heard of anyone getting in trouble by having sex with a child under the 18 year order in the care of the dept
(Well, Guess what, you just have.)
16 is far too young to be having sex, drive a car and so forth etc<<<----- TOTALLY agree.
But the fact is Sniper you Had Sex When she was 15 turning 16 so it was underage sex with a minor and that is wrong.<<--- Again totally agree, so why cant I get on with my life.?.
Where and How can there be a link tween a 15-16 yr old girl to a new born ?. to a male ?. Not only is that stating I am a sick puppy,but also that I am Gay. Other then in the perverted minds of a doc worker that can Fabrication anything out of a spec of dust.
You say we won't know the Story and all facts 100% well why don't you tell us so we might understand where you are coming from then?.
( love to, so how about I also Show you or that Us as you say.?.)
I dont have funds to travel, at this point of frame of time. My door is open.
So this Fling you had going with this girl went over 7 months?<<-- Oh! good grief!!!!. Where have I ever stated that I was in any form of any relationship with that girl?. I quoted" a One off", meaning Once, It is that GIRLs mother, who told myself and her friends that her (THE MOTHER) and I were getting married. The Girl was in that depts care till 18.
and lets not leave out,that there was two other males before me and one after me, to where are they in all this Picture???.
It was the mother reporting me to Docs,when she left the house, any blind nut, will see it was her vengeance.
To what ever reason that night occurred, it happened willingly, only once.
if you we're suffering why didn't you seek counseling or Therapist instead of sleeping with a minor, if i lost my son that is the last thing i would think of doing..
( I tried, Church's, Closed their doors on me. LifeLine and other mens and health groups, also close the door.
only till this yr,have I been Accepted to Victims of crime councilling. From my 7 week old death, no help what so ever.
So your now saying you Didn't want to have sex with her and it was all her doing? and she received a 12,500 compensation for that ? You Know what i think i think you we're in too it as much as she would have been, and i think no money should have exchanged hands at all and i think you should have been Jailed for the offense with special conditions of not being around Minors in the Future.
( I think you should have a child (your own) to die in your arms, watch your man leave you and take whatever other children you have and never to see them again,Tell me in a hundred words or less to how you will move on?.) and what would you do to try to regain what was removed from you ?.
What I was stating is a human that didnt suffer,gets $12.500, to why did I have to continually pay?
If you Have Been Involved with dept for over 6 years there has to be something wrong as they just don't come involved for the hell of it,
( yes, there is, Docs are retards that cant even conduct traffic)
notification coming from somebody
(yes, Me, I, Myself and I alone)
I have not run away, docs do.
I have not Fabricated, docs did.
To me Personally i would want Years!! of someone to prove they would not re committ a child related offense, that is the problem here you had sex with a minor even if it was willing or consented what you did was ILLEGAL and you could comitt the same offense with the linkage i said before in the dept's eyes. You were charged with this offense and in the dept's eyes you committed child abuse.
( nice would "COULD" I could become a murderer, I could become the next QLD Pm, COULD covers everything when not investigated that Could be a cant or wont.
If I ever was going to re_offend, why the hell am I here, bitching, and not Preditorizing minors ?.
Why does the child protection unit,over looking me ?. with NO concerns. yet someone in DOCS just loves to murder my family.
What other TEST, other then to what I have done to date, That I need to do? for the truth of me to be embedded in retards minds, that I am a Normal human being, with normal human desires. that wants a normal human life.
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
No one can please everybody.
Thx Wild:
Its a Fact and I am the living example of corruption gone ramped.
I did and have tried to move on, but as long as I have this ball and chain Called DOCS around my neck,Squeezing the life out of me, I can Never ever move on,For it will follow me and destroy yet another family and love, that I try to build.
I can if you wish, Show everybody my documentations and where even a Blind,deaf Spastic will see the end result of that corruption, for it just Jumps at you.
No, I have never seen my 2 sons, to this day, My 1st son, I had to 9 months in secret,until I rang Docs requesting a half way point and the 2nd for only 20 minutes.
I have and still trying to fight just to have some form of contact with my kids, Legal aid wont help, Lawyers wont help, No one wants to help, cause it cost too much money that I just dont have.
Yes, I already pinpointed Graham as a retard, as for Jewely, she sits on the fence and takes sides when it suits her.
If what you say is truth,on them not so nice words, That is nothing compared to what DOCS say behind closed doors concerning myself.
I did join P4P 2 yrs ago and saw that going no where.
I am not here seeking Pity or to be friend anyone that has no concerns to me.
I seek justice and I seek a court date with DOCS, no more and no less.
I want that truth of me heard not behind closed doors but in the open.
I want the truth of DOCS murdering ways to also be told to the nation and the world.
DocSniper‘©’
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
DocSniper...
Thankyou for the information i asked you.
I can see you with the Lawyer side of things, See i have a friend that works in Family law and 'she' freely admitted unless you pay for a lawyer when fighting the dept you will get no where. unless the case is pretty clear when it comes to docs you never get granted legal aid for fighting dept. and legal aid is only granted to negotiate dealings with dept and court assessment orders and so forth, other words you have to pay private lawyer and that can be quiet expensive my Friend Charges $ 450 per hour! Lucky for me .. i have a friendship with Her.
But i know how the dept lie and corrupt things to see it how it is... you know the dept are claiming you are a sex offender.. do they have any 'proof' of this besides their 'gut feelings' ? i mean i know gut feelings are enough for emotional driven woman, What reasons have the dept got to deny you access? have you got written reasons in writing? have you tried the children services tribunal? Where do you live Sniper?
Oh i know Graham is a retard this person used a name called patty on this other forum and fought with everybody on their involved with dept and got her self banned, i was a viewer and quiet amusing but is here now since Jewely emailed her the link. the email each other.. like to be a fly on the email accounts.. just be careful... Jewely is A Foster carer don't trust her she says one thing one day and one thing another day... seems very strange to me.. prolly here trying to collect info for Dept..
I'm so sorry you don't get to see your sons, that is very important that familes maintain a health r/ship and constant contact but dept don't always oblige
I truly hope you Get Justice you Deserve it, and i don't wish to be you for one minute.. Lets hope everyone gets Justice..
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Im all yours, Take me.......
Docs only have written words on paper, nothing more. only that 15 yr old, form her it went to babies to boys to my own.
Docs cant make up their mind to when they class me a pedo, EG, they 1st told me I started all this in 1983-84, funny, cause i was in prison(1st time) for car stealing and B/E's and assaults. when I told them, where I was, they then back dated it to 1977, 3 cities have dealt with me and all 3,differ to what they say about me.
Im in QLD, Townsville, Toowoomba is the 2nd and Adelaide is the 3rd, that corruption travels all that way.
Tell me how does a CMC,ombudsman or even those retards conduct a investigation of me from behind a desk ?.
Docs have never ever gave me any reason to why I cant see my kids, in court they butter up the judge and state, "we have the funds to arrange contact, but, it never ever happens".
Wild: if a lawyer was to take this on, even I know it will never be clear cut. this is bigger then ben frking hur, more unbelievable then Ripley's believe it or not. And it will be hard, But, I have the proof, I have the witness's.
my last 3 partners will Stand up for me, my eldest son is the Perfect witness, As docs quotes I molested him from his youth, yet, he or I have never ever been questioned. And this one, we both know the law to, as DOCS also quotes, they found porno of children on my computer, if that was the case, I should of been interviewed,Questioned, charged,court and then prison. yet, I am here,telling you about it. Child protection unit, Have NO concerns of me and they do note, That it has been I and I alone contacting DOCS to have a half way point,so I can keep my family. DOCS always rejects that offer.
So, I can only beg for a pro bono and hope to obtain a compensation, that I know will make any lawyer famous and rich.
each partner I had, loved me for me, fell in love with me, for me and how I treat her, each time DOCS comes and just slip that knife in to kill it all. its even more suffering, cause of how much i really want a child, and the last 2 Docs stole,is like the death of my other baby,sep they are alive without me as the father that should of been there as they grew up, Hang on, if DOCS really did their Job, there would never have been a 2nd partner and a 2nd child, I would still to this day be with the woman from 2004 and sure we could of had at lest another 2 more kids, if not more. we would of been married,we would of been happy and none of this shit would ever take place. I wouldnt even be here bitching as I do now.
I truely hope I get that justice to, living the way I do, is just plan wrong.
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
docsniper...
Hi There
i know your frustration i hear ya loud and clear.. the dept can write things about you they state are true and the corrupt system including the judge take it as face value... cause the dept job is to investigate and protect children and why would they lie.... they tell all kind of lies for what ever reason they need to..
and the CPIU well they go hand in hand with the dept trying to get something on the parent and i tell ya if you had child porno you would have been charged and possibly convicted for that crime .. that crime holds up to 15 years jail... hence you are on your computer and still have it there is no truth to it..
in regards to no contact happening i would suggest you write to them and request some form of contact and say if it is refused you want to know reason's why etc get it in writing for formality reasons and then take it to higher revenues and i would do this to and fight for the right to be in your child's life its worth the fight my friend. don't ever give up.. and you know your not a pedophile so don't worry what ever anyone else say's and you know who i mean..
i know all the what 'ifs' if the dept was never involved we all day dream about them things etc but the thing is it has happen and we have to deal with this as a reality.. but one thing is all dept involved people class anyone involved with dept are 'abusers' but only of the public knew the truth...
Keep Fighting you are doing so well, and don't worry what others say about you.
Wild Flower
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hi doc
Its jane how are you buddy im still fighting the docs fanatics but their corruption is making me grow weak
Boo Jane.
Ive had better days.
let me ask you this, how do you see your glass?., half full or half empty ?
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
empty
Doc my glass was full when i HAD MY SON NOW i HAVE A GLASS THAT IS EMPTY.dOCS SUCKED THE GOODNESS FROM MY LIFE AND LEFT ME A BARREN SHELL .i FEEL LIKE A CRIMINAL I FEEL LIKE i HAVE BEEN RAPED i FEEL LIKE i HAVE BEEN TRICKED AND THERE IS NO WAY OUT.
TRUTH SEEKER
We are in that same boat and river.
You Jane, are a kindred to me, We are the same.
We are empty, we are hopeless in regaining our dignity and our children.
It has gone beyond raping, It is MURDER.
Docs are the criminals.
Government are the criminals.
There is away out,darkness cant not come into the light, but Light can enter darkness.
Dont ever give up, Dont you dare. You are way above that.
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
Jane as hard as the corrupt
Jane as hard as the corrupt system is you have to look at it with a open mind? yes the system sucks and there are holes and cracks in the system and there needs to be review of the whole protection system, you need to say positive, And you think you are tortured.. can you imagine how the child feels? i know the parents get upset that is fair enough but look at the real big picture here that is the child? what is he/she feeling? what about the child.. it should be the child that comes first and foremost and their best interest must come first and be paramount at all times.
i have no doubt you love your son, but dear it time to think about the child first and remember if you do everything the dept want you to do and you have a working r/ship with the case workers things will be easier
i know it feels like nothing is working but you have to try and meet all the case plan goals it will be good, i know some workers lie, manipulate, etc but there are some good workers out there too, that really want to help families .
i know the government can be corrupt and take kids when the shouldn't but what about when there really are kids that need protection and they don't act quick enough i mean the dept are damn if they do and damned if they don't .. there needs to be a dept to protect the children, but a line drawn also and no corruption
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Hi There, I KNOW there are
Hi There,
I KNOW there are Days when you see the Glass half empty
But you have to look towards the Future with Glass Full.. You Need to Pull it together. If you Need Hope Pray and go to church if that helps, or if its to go jogging do that, if it is simply to see your children do that too.. you need to put life in a positive direction even if its sometimes :)
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:) you be wrong
Ermmm!!!!, No, I dont see my glass half empty, I see it as half full, but I question them retards that are drinking from my glass to make it half empty.
same for that ole saying, a Leopard will never change its spots, Well !!!!, this spot wants off the Leopard and or, we maybe in the same boat,but we are curtinly in different rivers.
Yes, I do Pray, as I believe in a man named Christ, not church's, I bury myself here on the net, seems safer then going out in society so hell bent in killing me.
Yes, I am trying to just to get to see my Kids, but the system wont let me. if these retards want to control my life, lest do it within the laws that is fair for all, not select who can and who can not.
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
laws
docs are a law in themselves they do not answer to anyone and must be stopped .not liking someone isn't a reson to tear peoples lives apart
TRUTH SEEKER
Docs are a law upon them
Docs are a law upon them selves YES.,
But they do have to answer to court Judges when you take the case to FAMILY LAW not children court but still in children court dept still have to prove the order is needed for the protective needs of the child and there is no less intrusive order at this stage,
dept must answer to judges and lawyers if you are contesting the order..
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I'm Glad you believe in
I'm Glad you believe in Christ, you have to have some Faith,
i get your predicament, i too would tend to live on the net for the fear of being out and about and being lied about and called Sick and Twisted Names.
i get what you are saying. Yeah a leopards tends not to change any spots!
It Would be safer to be on the Net than in the Community but you still have to be Careful there are Freaks On LINE TOO!
Well I'm Off to watch The Logies, Than i shall return!
Lets Pray Home and Away take alot of the Awards!
Back to the Subject, yes there are rules bent for some and not others specially when it comes to seeing your kids but there are complaint avenues out there you have to follow and one would be get everything in Writing! And complain and complain and don't stop!
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Thats the only thing that stops me hurt others.
Yes!!!, I have that wall of Christ around me, and Only I can remove it, no one else can. and its not just some faith, its 100% faith. For judgement day will come and my soul will be clean upon the feet of Christ.
Lest online, theres key called Delete and block:) works quite well.,:)
put it this way, If I had say 50,000, I can buy a lawyer who will lick my ballz and do as I say, day or night.
lol, I couldnt give a flying Frk about home and away, thats all propaganda, ya, dont see DOCs in that show,murdering families do ya now.
DOCS = Death of children services
DHS = Death of Human Souls
Thy sty of thy eye is ecumenical Gone. Thy eye see's thy Myopia in thy Pharisees. And a Lumber jack is required.
I'm Glad You have Christ in
I'm Glad You have Christ in Your Life it Helps Wonders.
Agree about Online Though you can always ignore or Block :)
Yeah but even with all the money in the world some Lawyers are useless, Unless you know the Right ones :)
Home and Away have had to 2 times had Dept Try and Take kids one time they removed a baby and fostered it out and tried to take another but that never worked.
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DOC SNIPER
I AM BEING RAILROADED IN THE WORST POSSIBLE WAY.
Im running out of fight.
don't know how I keep going.
I'm losing my son and I feel trapped by a very corrupt docs case worker and case work manager.
there is no way out
Jane.. i know its hard But
Jane.. i know its hard But you got to keep fighting ..
i know someone at the moment going for a fight and they took Guardianship she hasn't seen them for 4 years and finally getting Phone contact..
Just have to keep fighting for your Kid/s
You can try to apply for a transfer of Workers with A Lawyer.
sometimes you have to Work With them to A Certain Point.
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So Stupid
Thank goodness it's your friend who is the lawyer because you have the brains of a nat.
You based this accusation of gathering information on what? I sent this link to someone over at RC? Hey I sent someone here a link to Raising Children. The other day I was somewhere else and I told a person to check out IHGD.
Oh my god I'm some sort of serial Link Passer!
Grow up.
I would say it more likely you are information gathering.
Oh it doesn't make sense now??
Cause it's a public forum dimwit! Anyone wants information they can come take a gander for themselves.
And why on earth are you bleating about Patty?
You obviously need to be given some little jobs to do so toddle off and spy on peoples e-mails. Makes you a great ethical source of information yourself.
Jewely your so silly...
So you have Made the assumption i have a brains of a nat based on a post made on a public forum.. very represented i think jules.. i could be purposely posting like a nat and you wouldn't know the difference, i don't think I'm that stupid since i WORK for my 'friend Lawyer' in her Office... Not so stupid after all one may think.
Why would you want to give all the Links out? i think you know i have the Brains and have worked out WHO graham really is mate. and you are trying to ramble on about sites and links to subside the actual truth here and facts nice try.
That is right it is a public and free forum and anyone can 'present' themselves for who ever they want to be. i mean i could be anybody i wanted to be, but if they hide behind alias's that are misleading you would have to ask why.. do they have something to hide or Hinder?
No One is Bleating about Patty i said i know Patty is Graham that is simple if you know what someone says when they say i know they are the same person and you know this too..
Who's email was i 'accused' of spying on? i don't have any emails.. Well expect yours of course!
Any way i have this Serious Question for you.. if you are a REAL foster carer how do you find the time to sit on all these forums all the time day/night while you care for children? do you neglect them? also you say you were investigated about the care of a child you had once as the parents complained i know the system and i know carers aren't subject to grilling if they didn't do anything or there is no suspicion of the care they provide to children. so tell me jules what did you do to the Child? i suspect the money is good.. You exploit children within the system for the almighty $$$ and its ok for foster parents not to work and be paid by the all mighty government money from tax payers but if the parents are unemployed dole blugers blah they are bad parents.. funny that is don't you think? do you work jules besides Fostering as i don't class that as a job, that is a hobby to do with the $$$
Also why did you take pictures of children while they were in the bath naked to show the dept pics from the result of the return from the parent... that is not your job seems strange too me.. i know foster carers are not to take pics of foster children.. what was your idea of that?
All i Have For now
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You want to take this to e-mail?
Why have I been asked three different times about computer usage and fostering?
Three times idiots have asked me late at night why I arn't caring for the kids. Oh cause they are sleeping!
You haven't studied me that well or you would kno