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Docs took my toddler and trying to take my unborn baby too
Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 17/07/2009 - 21:03
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Send to friendMy daughter was taken by docs to live with my ex, her father. She suffered from some night terrors, during which I took her to see doctors and health nurses to find a cause. A local doctor was concerned and wanted her observed, as she was hurting herself in her sleep. So she gets admitted to a hospital in the next town. The doctor there said she was abused and called docs.
Huh? What??? She has night terrors and bruises from that and I TAKE her to the doctors and they believe me and want to find a cause too, and this third doctor just makes his own mind and I've got docs involved. So before she can come home from hospital, which by the way she was still having the night terrors, docs had to see us. In the end we wait 3 days for this and they just make a phone call. All is well, we go home, with their involvement to get us services. Like getting her into preschool etc.
And then one day she's not walking properly. Huge alarms bells in my head, I take her straight to the ED. Doctor there says, let's look at her hips. X-ray comes back clear, says its a virus, we go home. A few days later she has an accident and I take her to the ED. Nobody there suspected anything, as there was nothing to suspect. So she goes to hospital again and they find some fractures. A couple of days later docs tell us that they're taking her and placing her with her father, my ex. I was completely distraught.
My partner and I had just been trying for a baby, and did not know at the time if we were successful. We do voluntary interviews with the police. Invite them and docs into our home to inspect it. I provided any evidence they suggested or asked for. I complied with them 150%. I was at every court date that I needed to be at. But in docs eyes, we're guilty because "we don't have any explanation for her injuries". I gave them the explanation, they don't think its plausible. They even have their own doctor biased and saying its abuse.
Meanwhile she has never been admitted to hospital, never had any injuries more than a bruise or two. Never had anything wrong with her. There was no evidence of previous injury on any of the x-rays or scans. So basically, this one incident, where I took her to the doctor myself and gave them anything they asked for, docs just take her away. No second chances. And because of this current case, they want to take our unborn baby away as soon as he/she's born. Just because.
WHY WHY WHY??? We never did anything wrong. Just opinions and hearsay have done this. If we had have done it, you'd think we would have come up with explanations for everythng and not taken her to the doctor? Not done VOLUNTARY interviews?? Docs need to go to hell. All they want to do is take kids away from happy families, ruin their lives. If we lose this case, I lose the baby I'm carrying. We may never be allowed to have children. Can never work with children and may have a criminal record. So our whole lives are ruined because some stupid doctors saw a few bruises and made an assumption.
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Mandatory reporting
This is what happens when you get inexeperienced health workers who have been told to report parents to Docs without proper investigation.The get told we will get fined if you don't report and they go into scare mode and report people they don't need to.Docs have spies in every part of the system. social workers, police, health system, probation and parole, drug and alcohol counsellors,woman health centres, daycares, refuges, schools and anonymous callers. These people are often not trained to know about abuse signs and scared of getting fined.The other is ex partners doing it out of spite.Another good one is the maternity ward and anti-natal clinics. I know of a girl who was pregnant she was assigned a social worker to help her. They beame great friends shopping together, she was with her all the way through her pregnancy. as soon as the baby was born she reported her to docs then disappeared . job done next victim.
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Thanks for the reply
Thanks for the reply Caterpillar Jane.
That is exactly how I see it too. They see bruises and make one conclusion. Kids get bruised all the time. I told them how the very few faint and small bruises occured, and they didn't believe me. Because kids don't hurt themselves in their sleep. I wanted them to observe her sleeping, so they could see for themselves, but they were so concerned about the very few small fading bruises. All the while she's still hurting herself in her sleep.
I am terrified they will take my baby just to close the case and have nothing to do with us. There is no reason for my daughter to be where she is, and no reason to take the baby too. I bloody hope they leave us alone. We don't even have a restoration order like all families where docs have removed kids are meant to. My lawyer is bloody going to hear about it.
hold all of them liable for their actions
Hold them accountable for their actions, get them to sign affidavits under their full commercial liability for injury to you and your partner accusing you of doing harm to your child without verifiable proof that you did cause harm did they , if they do not provide you with the evidence of the claim the doctor is making against you then you are at a loss, with your next child you could make your own birth record a month before you go into hospital, so as to lay full claim over your baby, protection, setup trademark name with costs attached for theft, docs and government departments will try all sorts of tactics to take your baby away from you especially threatening, fear, lies, deception to get you play their game, if you have access to the internet look up and watch Rob Menard from Canada thinkfree.ca on youtube, lots of info.......
WE WERE BORN FREE NOT BORN TO BECOME A CITIZEN OF GOVERNMENT DECEPTION AND LIES PEOPLE THE CHOICE IS YOURS OR MINE
The problem is, there are
The problem is, there are fractures found on the x-rays. And they very quickly came to the conclusion that it was abuse. Without any other indications, these fractures are all they are basing the claim on. Despite the fact that other doctors missed it and would never report us, as they have never seen signs of abuse. Its like Jane said, doctors just panic and report every mark to docs. Makes me furious.
How old is your child and
How old is your child and where are these fractures on your childs body. Very often children develope Scurvy Fractures. Because of the rapid growth rate children often develope collagen deficiencies that can manifest as fractures. Scurvy fractures are frequently overlooked and are mistakenly assessed as the result of trauma. The ability to tell the difference on x-rays between the two types of fractures is a lost skill and few radiologists have the ability to diagnose the symptoms. Scurvy fractures can manifest at any time and the parents are put in a bad position because they cant explain the presence of these fractures. A lot of people who have been charged with shaken baby syndrome have suffered injustice because scurvy fractures as the cause were overlooked. I know a lady researcher who writes research court reports to defend parents against abuse charges. She has successfully helped parents beat such abuse charges. Give her a call she lives in BLackheath NSW Call Viera on 47878203
I have just had a court date
I have just had a court date where the magistrate makes sure each party is ready for the hearing in early September. Once again, I was not needed to be there but my lawyer prefers me to be present for all court dates.
Both doctors will need to be present to give evidence on their reports, and I am hoping that our own independent medical report differs from the one DOCS provided just enough to throw doubt on their beliefs.
My daughter continues to get injuries while in her father's care. Normal scratches and bruises you would expect to be common among kids her age. Yet no one tells me of this and they don't seem to think that the previous injuries could have been accidental.
There is 3 weeks to go until our hearing and its tearing me apart. I have not been able to be excited or enjoy my pregnancy at all because of the possible outcome of the court case. DOCS have told me they are not interested in removing my baby from my care, but my lawyer has said to me several times, that in her experience, they almost always remove all other children when they take one or more. So it may be the case we lose, and I am to carry my baby another 3 months just for it to be taken at birth.
Who are these "both " doctors
Who are these "both " doctors and when did they come into the picture? Dont assume that the independent report will exonerate you. Ask your lawyer to allow you to read it and make sure it is favourable to you. You are legally entitled to read all the evidence in the brief and if your lawyer wont let you see it then get another lawyer.
The fact that your daughter is still being bruised whilst not in your care, is this information being made avilable to the court on your behalf, it should be! The legal standard of proof that the case relies upon is merely the civil standard of the "balance of probability". The higher standard of "beyond reasonable doubt" doesnt apply here so throw everything youve got into this and dont leave anything to chance and hope alone. If you lose this child in these proceedings there is no way DoCS will let you keep your next child. They have an internal policy of taking children off parents using the excuse of the parent have lost a child to DoCS previously. You are easy pickings because Section 106a of the Act supports this policy. I have a clean record but my partner before I met her had lost a child years ago to the courts and they used it against us. Early intervention rang me and my partner and told us that they would work with us, it was bullshit to lull us into a false sense of security and we fell for it. Seriously, about a month before the birth, change your name and go interstate and go private and have you baby, dont trust DoCS one bit! If I had read section 106a of the Act before the birth of our child, I would have realized that the early intervention caseworkers were lying. We would have gone interstate and done this. These fracture claims are serious have you called Viera.?
No docs worker is accountable!
I had proof of lies, proof that my kids were taken after lies were told, but did it matter? Did Docs staff get held in contempt or purgery? No. Never. They are Docs
The judge who "does not have time for the mother to prove Docs are lying" Said nothing about the case worker filing false facts in her affidavit. She just says "Oh the worker has addmitted it now" what about the 6 weeks I stressed over wheather or not I could proove she lied/? What about how I had to run all over town getting Sat Dec's and letter's and documents that cost money to apply for, all in order to prove she lied, then the judge said "Well it's not the main issue" Far out where do they get off, ruining kids lives?
I feel like telling Docs Oh thanks heaps, you know now I get to run around and party, I still get to see the kids, but don't have any responsibility... Yeaah this is cool thanks" If I said that they would say Oh we now want to place the children with you, so stay home each nighgt for 2 days and we will give you restoration!! I mean they only seem to go the opposite of my wishes, I said my kids should go to my mum, they send the kids to the father's fammily who are strangers.
Yeah Docs are great. Really family orientated!
wanna be activist
no restoration
I also have done nothing wrong and docs never offered me a restoration plan. Care plans were to long term foster my baby straight away.I am still fighting . my trial is in Nov that willbe one year I have been fighting for.
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Jane please call, another lawyer, try it
Also can you do anything else?? These silly courses and rubbish you may already know all impress the judges who are probably ex docs staff. The children's court is a yes man to Docs. Just do course after course and see if they change..
Jus a suggestion, my appologies if you are already doing that..
liable
I AM SORRY TO SAY THIS BUT HOLDING ANYONE LIABLE DOES NOT WORK IN THIS SOCIETY.Its all about proof and evidence thats what counts. believe in your self as their is no justice. all we have is our own self belief. remember this as it doesn't matter in this society about law it matters about evidence . stay truthful to honesty . build your evidence.build it silently . donot trust anyone but yourself. because in this world that is all we have.
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Hey Jane
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but I can PROVE without doubt that Docs lied, broke court orders, ignored my children being abused, called sexual abuse "Mild inappropriate sexual conduct"{ and nothing gets done. No one at docs is ever held accountable!
I have had a judge say "if anything bad happens to these children at this placement, (that docs took them to against court orders) I will hod you personally accountable! So when proof of abuse comes in, it is at another court, (by docs choosing) and another judge, and no one brings it up! Docs then say to the ombusmnan, we did all according to guidelines.... even breaking court orders in within guidlines! So that they say Oh we took the child to a Dr (thier own Dr) and no concerns were raised, just normal childhood activity bruises! Yeah my daughter falls on her bottom all the time, but I have never seen her fall... Oh but bruises that look like a wooden spoon across her legs, well, they wait 2 months then take her to a Dr, when the bruises are very small, that time.... Who can act NO one!!!
But if we get it together and all meet in parliament as a united front and formally put on record a question about what we know... Maybe some thing will get started.. Rome wasn't built in a day.
I would also like to ask the minister why the court can say "Oh we don't have time for this " when childrens whole life is on the line??????
Anyway I would like to know what state are you in?
Maybe we can do some activist work???
Ok after having done more
Ok after having done more research and making calls I have found out that docs are seeking an 18yr custody order for my ex. And at this stage they are not doing anything about my unborn baby. So for now, I feel a bit more relaxed but since its not concrete, I am still hesitant. I am enrolling in early intervention and willing to comply with any reports or medicals should they ask, basically anything to be able to keep my kids. My whole case boils down to the magistrate's decision in court. So I am hoping and wishing that he/she sees our character and returns my daughter so we can be a family again. If any of you pray, please pray for us. I wish I believe in God, I'd be praying too.
First , i would like to tell
First , i would like to tell you how sorry i feel for your daughter. No child should suffer. I have no advise to give when it comes to social worker,police etc.. For the docs , i would just say:stay away. There is other alternative than big pharma, educate yourself. For your daughter i would recomend Jin Shin Juytsu, it is a gentil, yet efficient psyco-physiologie. Find their website to search for a practitionner near where you live. Good Luck
Nothing New for DOGS/DOCS
one case the child has a shaving cut, it looked like what --- A shaving cut, Docs say it is a pen stab, the Dr's report does not confirm nor deny, yet docs claim it does....
A child has regular bruises, every week, but this child is at a placement that Docs chose, is it abuse, NAh of course not justya clumbsy child that is never seen to fall over .....
Yaeh Docs are protecting the families and children LIKE HELL THEY ARE THE DEVIL INCARNATE!!!!
proof
I to have proof of the Dept's lies and fabrication of affidavits. As Natasha saids and i found out the hard way is Docs are not accountable for their lies or abusing our children. They abuse children and parents and they know they are allowed to and will not get into trouble.I hav etried the Ombudsman(dead end)Human rights commission. This is what they said--
As the N.S.W Department of Community Services is a state and not a Commonwealth agency, it appears that your matter is not something that this commission can investigate under its human Rights laws.
I als tried local members . and federal members. Even The Premier.nothing.
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Here goes the coin "FLIP"
I too have had alot of problems with NSW DoCs but mine is a complete roll reversal I had 2 children living with my ex. I am a surviver of chronic child abuse and I had to sit back for 3 years and watch my children be abused DoCs where telling me go Family Court and my Solicitor said you will not win she will get atleast another 12 months on an interim order so I was best off going through DoCs.
My eldest child when he came to visit also got the night terrors but he would go one step further he would start hurting himself and the closer you got to his room the more intense his scraeming became and we used to have to physiclly stop him from hurting himself as he was pulling out chunks of hair and making big welts across his belly from scratching at it. This went on for 3 years in the end we had peadiactrics, early childhood nursing, Social workers from the local support, speech pathologists, Special education teachers and her own freinds where ring up DoCs informing them of such things as my children being locked in cupboards my youger boy was being locked in an empty caravan on the property where they resided while they left the property, her freinds where ringing telling DoCs that these children where going over to their houses getting excited about what food they could find in there freind bins, the Special Education Teaching actually obseved a bruise on my yougest boys face that spanned his cheeck and again all this was notified at what stage a worker was allocated she went to the property spoke to the man that was locking my child in the cupboard and come back to me and said everything would move alot smoother if I started following the court order and closed the file and to bring this to a close I do have both the boys in my fulltime care but DoCs never helped these children the only reason I have them is because the mother gave them to me voluntarly after 3 years of abuse my yougest child aged 3.3 years had no words to use he only grunted like Mogly out of the Jungle book and I mean just that he would grunt and blow out his nose to communicate. They have never taken an interest in this case and because the children could not make a statmenet to the police I could not place charges for all the damages my ex partner caused in my children.
P.S If the preschool my child use to go had have notified that he was continually turning up to preschool smelling of urine that bad they had to doust him in talc powder because they could'nt stand the smell but they did'nt notify because they felt best that the child continues to attend school.
Mullet
This is awful and to have to watch your children remain in this kind of situation must have been heartbreaking.
How are they doing now - I imagine this will be a long struggle to bring them to a place they can overcome such chronic neglect/abuse.
But I think many parents here are sufferring from where DoCS allow their childen to remain.
I've never heard of a parent charged for any kind of abuse or neglect after DoCS have said in court they abused or neglected the children.
"P.S If the preschool my child use to go had have notified that he was continually turning up to preschool smelling of urine that bad they had to doust him in talc powder because they could'nt stand the smell but they did'nt notify because they felt best that the child continues to attend school."
This is even less likely now that NSW has changed its law according to Judge Wood and now it must be "significant" risk before being reported. But the pre-school should have reported it and reporting them and their ignoring policy could have an impact?
The Preschool
There was a metting held at a child and family centre on the 18TH of December 2006 in which the whos who of child services where there (except DoCs which where forwarded an invite). Through the course of the meeting the district head for school the school coucilors in our district was instructed to contact the preschool and remind them of the legal requirements as a mandatory notifier.
Reporting
Well in this case I am glad they were informed of there obligations.
I didn't know I had to report stuff until recently. It was explained to me that I send in any concerns I have and then it is up to staff how to interpret them.
Re: Reporting
We reported to Docs
That that the Foster carer of one our children assaulted him physically and mentally during a sibling contact visit. The carer was in a mental rage due to not wanting to be at the sibling group visit , so he mentally abused our little boy during a family football match gathering. When the siren went, this carer feircly grabbed our little boy by his small wrist swinging him airborn by his little wrist up 20 flights of steps with our little boy looking back at his two siblings and two maternal family members with tears streaming down his face. Our little boy was not allowed to say goodbye to his siblings and family nor give them a kiss & cuddle goodbye . What did Docs do about this assault on our little boy = ABSOLUTELY NOTHING............. Instead they caused more family heartache = No sibling group visits for the next four months. Thats right, in order to protect thier employer - abusive carer .. They punished the sibling group.
Dispicable Docs
pj
Re: Reporting
This is exactly what I am trying to fight against - it breaks my heart to read of your experience, and so many others...
Paperwork gained unethically, he said/she said, it's just attrocious...
Stay strong. Standing out the front of Parliament House shouldn't have to be the answer, but I know it gave the parents who attended a mental 'lift', to help continue fighting for our children. I believe the tide is turning, the more numbers, the stronger the momentum for change.
Take care and look after yourself, I know this process is soul destroying... I know...
Re: Reporting
Anyone been in touch with Steve Cansdell MP?
He's been very vocal about the lunacy of the changes to DoCS
It will be worse than before as NO_ONE is actually responsible now
just a conga line of buck passing
Thus less litigation against DoCS directly
Re: Reporting No sibling group visits for four months /
Since that assault on our little boy... the carer has done serious harm to our children by way of Mental and Emotional abuse and who is being punished for his abuse = Maternal Family . Who is being protected = The Carer !
pj
Re: Docs took my toddler and trying to take my unborn baby too
Inexperienced health worker should be punished if they damage families and childrens.
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