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Thinking about becoming a foster carer.

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Anonymous

Hi, my partner and I are thinking about becoming foster carers and would like any feedback from people who have.

DOCS (not verified)
R U Kidding!!!

Are you unemployed and trying to get the easy way out instead of looking for paid work?
Remember not all Child Abuse cases are genuine, some have had their Children removed only because a vindictive False allegation was sent to DOCS that started it all.
Remember this if you become a foster carer!
As you sleep at night just think who's children you have stolen.

Helen (not verified)
To R U

I use to Foster care two lovely Children until they were old enough to get on their own two feet and go on their merry way.
These two lovely Children are now over 20 years old and I look back and what we did for them and I would not hesitate doing it again only if I knew where the Children came from as these two boys came from a deceased parents that were killed in a road accident and the only member of the family left in Australia was a grandparent that could not keep them because of medical reasons.
On the other hand my sister was fostering a 12 year boy that was removed from his parents just after DOCS took over I think in 2003 and all my sister was told about this boy was that he suffered abuse and was removed.
Two years later the problem was resolved in a court and at a later date the parents of the child found themselves knocking on the door of my sisters place
showing some private documents that were obtained via the Freedom Of Information Act and she told me that some of the Documentation was falsified by the Department of Child Safety in removing this Child from its home.
Now my sister has to live with the pretense that she had someone's child for a long period when this child should have been at home where he belonged with his parents.

Sad (not verified)
To Helen

That is sad
Did the child ever complain about this to your sister that he was removed from home for no or incorrect reasons.

I can only pray, (not verified)
I can only pray

I am can only pray my little girl is like someone like your sister. She is with strangers. They could be doing anything to her. Anything. I am so scared for her. She is so upset. She was on the phone sobbing tonight. And I couldn't hold her. I hope the lady caring for her is kind to my daughter. And that she is holding her hand and telling her everything is ok.

Anonymous (not verified)
Thinking about becoming a foster carer.

Fostering children who are neglected or abused is admirable.
I have a personal story to tell. The department that takes children from their parents does this whether or not the child is abused. They do it also in the case of an accident to a child, as happened in our family, where no fault can possibly be laid. Their contention seems to be that it is safer to remove all the children from their home, and that way they cannot possibly make a mistake.
Once the children are put in the process it is impossible to get them back without lawyers and barristers being employed. This involves a great deal of expense, money that many families are unable to afford without help from extended family. It puts a great strain on all concerned.
From my experience the people working in this department have little or no training. They treat everyone the same - as child abusers who deserve no respect. However, it is firmly drilled into the innocent families, who they abuse and treat contemptuously, that they themselves must be shown the untmost respect. If you speak against them, even amongst family members, you are threatened that access visits with your children will be cut short. They also take away the rights of grandparents and extended family to visit the children. It is not our way to use abusive language, but to state facts openly was always our way of life. This department makes it clear that our basic right of freedom of speech is dead.
In our case the children are too young to speak for themselves. The department uses tactics such as trying to get the parents to admit that the accident occurred due to loss of control. No truth in this at all.
Weeks have passed and no effort has been made by the department to question neighbours or other members of the family in order to find the truth. This would be too simple an answer for these people whose sole purpose here seems to seek the destruction of a close-knit and happy family. Despite close family being more than willing to care for these babies while the department sorts the matter out, they want custody and are pushing to get it. They are talking in terms of years!
There have been hearings held in court, but no family member has as yet had the chance to speak in their defence.
The children are with foster carers, and I would like to point out that we have met them and they are fine people, who try their best to do their job well.
I have read a report from a child psychologist that says that children under 3 years of age are most at risk when separated from their parents for some time. I have seen this clearly displayed in our toddler, who has no understanding of why she is not allowed to go home with her mum and dad. A once outgoing and happy child is showing signs of withdrawal.
If you do become a foster carer, try not to be judgemental, as things are not always as they may seem.
There is no justice and no one in the Queensland Government who hears anyone. They are payed out of the public purse to do a job that none are fit to do.

From a once happy citizen of this beautiful country - now completely disillusioned.

illusion
Joined: 06/04/2008
User offline. Last seen 18 weeks 4 days ago.
This is tragic, we need to group together !

Victory is Sweet, but what a fight it was.

These DOCS workers from our experience are criminals.

My sarcasm as seen in my posts is still very strong.

I have been discussing with an acquaintance the setting up of an association. His experience is the same. Docs went rabid with vexatious allegations. We are both Technology savvy and can set up a central free phone in every major centre.

Our solicitor believes around 50% of DOCS cases are rubbish.

We are discussing the possibility of a class action. We need 400 members. On the basis that up to 3000 cases a year are bogus in Queensland, we need a 15% hit rate. The issue is getting people to fight back and overcome the fear these morons at the department use.

We the people as a group can easily beat these dead beat Uni graduates who can't work any where else.
Section 197 of the Act can be utilised to effect. As we all no on Altnet, these guys are so arrogant, they leave such a clear trail of negligent behaviour.

"197 Protection from liability
(1) An official, does not incur civil liability for an act done, or omission made, honestly and without negligence under this
Act.

Remember also that section 9 clearly states:

9 What is harm
(1) Harm, to a child, is any detrimental effect of a significant
nature on the child’s physical, psychological or emotional
wellbeing.
(2) It is immaterial how the harm is caused.
(3) Harm can be caused by—
(a) physical, psychological or emotional abuse or neglect;
or
(b) sexual abuse or exploitation.

These abusers of children at DOCS are not exempt.

We need expressions of interest from you guys.

I'm fighting DOCS now from the other side, and
I'm like a pit bull. Can you imagine a large group of us all attacking the department as one.

How sweet a dream that is !

Re: 'tragic; we need to group together'

Hello Illusion,
I would like to get in contact with you some time and talk. My mobile is 0405 145 442, just text me and I can contact you back. My mobile is switched off most of the time due to my work commitments.

I wish to speak with more parents/ carers about their experience and planning what comes next.
I am getting ready.....

illusion
Joined: 06/04/2008
User offline. Last seen 18 weeks 4 days ago.
Sorry about delay

Give me a couple of days I'll contact you.

Our lives a crazy still even though we won.

Cheers

Notimpressed (not verified)
Can you contact me?

Illusion, can you please contact me, aus...@gmail.com

I know someone who is in a war with docs atm, desperate for help and being shafted around to various people, they have clear proof of falsified testimonies etc but no one helps.

Tammy

Can you contact me.

Tammy,
I have been there and come out the other end. I am willing to talk to people even though Ilusion sounds very informed and you want her to contact you.
If you wish my number is 0405 145 442. Text me and I will contact you back in the evenings - if you wish.
I am willing to help anyone against DOCS monsters.

jackie (not verified)
needing help

Hi i'm desperatly looking for help on how to fight for my children. docs came and got them without warning from both my partner and i. we have 7 children between us. The youngest being 9 months old who has never been left with anybody else.
After alegations of domestic violence that have never been reported to police. In court yesterday the docs solicitor said they'd agree for me to have my 9 month old back if i was to move in with my mother (away from my partner)the judge left it with docs to assess this situation but as soon as the court was over my caseworker changed his mind and decided that my baby was to stay with carers and maybe next week be put in family care. I need help. All the other 6 children are with family. The youngest is the only one shared by myself and my partner. there has been no police called to the house regarding domestic violence but yet they think i have something to hide and i put my children at risk by being with my partner. I need to get my children back more importantly my baby. I took my baby to the clothesline, i took her to grab some milk, i played peek-a-boo while on the toilet, i wash up with one hand, i never leave her side unless she is sound asleep, then i'll leave the room not the house without her, never. She needs me and i need her we have a very special bond. Docs don't see this.
Please help.

My Little Girl is Suffering, Please help me. (not verified)
Help me please. I beg You please.

They took My 8 year old daughter yesterday.I can't sleep and every minute that passes I am feeling.
They showed up at my house to talk to me the day before. Both ladies looking like they were straight out of the classroom themselves. Showing Id and thats all.
And Not indicating they would be taking her. I swear to you on my life my child was in no emotional or phsyical danger. Her Teachers, friends, Doctor, my neighbours all shocked that she was taken from me.
The took her from her school. Humiliating her infront of her peers. And took her to a place, I have no idea where.
Then they came to my home with the police. And told me what they had done in the coldest and unfeeling of voices.
I of course, was distraught.
They wouldn't tell me where she was or when I would be contacted next by them, or when I would hear from her.
And said that I was wait till Tuesday (4 days away) and they would contact me again.
Assuring me that my daughter would be fine.
FINE?? This is a child who is very sensitive. I have never used babysitters, cares, daycare etc. And I have rarely left her with my own mother who I trust completely. She is my child. I take care of her. I love her. I love being her mum. And she loves me.
So she is not used to strangers at all.
All I know is the name of the city she is in. Which is 2 hours away.
She has called me twice.
The first call she sounded so unlike my daughter. So quiet and guarded in what she said. All yes and no answers. It sounded like someone pretending to be her. Or like she was drugged. This frightened me alot. It was all yes and no answers, devoid of emotion. And of the affection we share. Her voice was shakey. And she sounded so unlike herself. The only time in the call she sounded like my child was at the begining of the call when she said "Mummy". And when she said it. It was laced with agony.
The second call was about an hour ago. She sounded so bad. So heart broken and she was sobbing. I have only heard her sound this distressed and heart broken one other time in my life. And that was when a very dear friend died. I could hear the pain in her voice. She pleaded with me to come home. All I could do was tell her over and over that I love her. And promise to get her home safe to me as soon as I could and that I would not rest till I did. The sound of her sobbing as she hung up the phone will live with me always. It was so sad, so filled with dispair. It hurt me to the very core of my being.
I then called the Department of Child Safety after hours line. Only to be told that nothing could be done Until Monday. 2 nights away. When I know that every hour that passes she is in pain. And that I can't get to her and hold her and tell her every will be ok. The emotional damge is greater with every passing moment. I know this cause I am her mother. I know her like I know myself.
I told then person on the phone I wanted my daughter to go into my mothers care until they let me have her back.
And No they never even mentioned that she could go to a family member. I in my state of utter shock and distress did not think to ask. Why I was not offered this option I don't know. And why if they knew they were going to take her did they not suggest that she go to someone else. Surely her going to someone she knew and trusted would be preferable to complete and total strangers????
This all seems badly planned. There not protecting her from anything. There punishing her. And me. If they had her best interest at heart. They would have thought to arrange for her care to be with someone she knew and trusted. She would have been saved the fear etc.
She is in pain. Suffering. I don't think she is ever going to be the same again. My little girl is never going to get over this. I know this. Because I know her.
And now its 11.40 pm. I hope with all my heart she is sleeping peacefully. I can't sleep and I have barely stopped praying for her since she was taken.
As for me. The last day has felt like the longest of my life. All I know is My dear daughter is with strangers, in a strange place, she is scared. And I can't get to her and tell her I love her. And hold her close until she is no longer scared.
They have not told me how long she is to be away from me. So I have no idea whats going to happen. I am in a painful limbo where every minute is eternity.
You hear so many stories about Bad carers who molest children and other bad things. How do I know she is not with someone like this? I have been so careful with her. I always know where she is, who she is with. I am so scared.
And I can almost feel her little heart breaking.
My mother and family are also in agony.
I am not a drug user, child basher, drinker or anything. I don't break the law.
My Crime is having a husband who was abusive to me physically while drunk. But he is not with us now. I have a restraining order in place. Also he has never ever been violent to my daughter. Not once. He also has kept his distance.
There grounds for taking her are unfounded.
This is completely insane. And Pure hell.
I am so frightened of what its doing to my daughter. I only hope that they approve my mother being her carer quickly. They should be able to see my mother on Monday. And hopefully she will be in my mothers care by Monday evening. I am praying for this.
My mother is a great Mum. She has never ever broken the law and always been an upstanding member for the community. She even works for the Government. They should have no reason to refuse her as my daughters carer. She has always been a great mum to me. And my daughter will feel safe with her.
But for now. I have 2 days and 2 nights to wait before maybe this can happen. I hope my little girl is ok. With all my heart. She is so sensitive. This will be pure hell for her.

Please Help me. Help my daughter. I will agree to anything if you can help me get them to put her in my mothers care. Then she will be safe. Please help me. I don't know what to do to help her.

illusion
Joined: 06/04/2008
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What to do

Get a solicitor fast.

Legal aid if no other choice.

DO NOT SIGN ANYTHING WITHOUT LEGAL ADVICE. DOCS TELL LIES. THEY MANUFACTURE EVIDENCE ALSO.

Read everything they give you and only sign if a solicitor OK's. The longer you put off a solicitor the deeper you sink.

Don't count on your mother getting your child quick. She has to be approved for Foster. Blue card etc I believe. My father took this long. We only got our kids out of foster care early due to the fact they did a runner and DOCS got fed up with the overtime.

Did your ex make vexatious disclosures to DOCS ? Very common.

Try to work out who contacted DOCS, then you can anticipate the lies.

Did they take your child on a temporary court order or did you sign a voluntary order ?

Keep a diary. You need a time line !

You need to tape these idiots at DOCS. They lie beyond belief. A cheap digital recorder is great. Download to computer and burn to a disk.

Keep posting. You are still in shock at the moment. We know what that is like. Just request info. from those who have been victimised by DOCS on vexatious allegations. We can tell you the routine.

Hopefully our experiences will help you.

I can only pray, (not verified)
Hi thank you for your

Hi thank you for your Response. I am thinking clearer today.
I have not signed anything. I will take your advice and not do so without Legal advice.
I am seeking Legal advice as soon as offices open tomorrow morning (Monday).
From what I am told by others in this situation my mother should pass with flying colours. But as you said I won't count on my mum getting her.
No my ex did not make any statements to them. He is also very distressed at her being taken and wishes to see her home asap. Both of us aggree she is best in my care.
I am not sure what the order type is. But I can certainly confirm. This was not a voluntary order. I was upset and sobbing at the time but I made it clear I didn't want her taken from my care.
I know who contacted Docs. She did it to be malicious and cruel to me personally. Out of pure spite. She is an evil person.
I have started a complete diary from everything that has occured.
I have everything I need to record all conversations and plan on having a friend with me to wittness everything that is said and done.
Thank you for your advice, I will take it all on board and learn from it.
Anything further anyone can tell me that will help bring my little girl home will be much appreciated.
Thank you so much for your understanding and support. It helps so much to know that I am not alone in this.
I spoke to her today. She is ok. Still not the bright little girl she usually is. She begged to come home again. And is still very upset. I managed to hold it together while we talked. And fell to bits when we got off the phone. She is being so brave. But I can hear her fear, pain and sadness in her voice and of course in her tears.
I can also tell that she is confused and wondering why this is happening.
I told her repeatedly while we talked and that We her family love her, she is constantly in our thoughts and prayers and that we her family are missing her badly. I also told her of how her school mates have all been asking about her and dropping by looking for her. And that we will not rest until she is either with her grandma or with me back home again. This seemed to help a little.

The last 2 days have been the longest of my life and the nights are worse. Its been a enternity for me. It seems to only hurt when I breathe.

I can't believe this is happening to us.

And being stone walled on the phone is devastating. There so impersonal. They forget, This is my baby. I am her mummy, She needs me. She is suffering. And she is all alone. She needs her Mummy.

How can this be in her Best interest?
I am an intelligent person, but hell...Am I missing something????????????

illusion
Joined: 06/04/2008
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DOCS are out of control and getting worse.

Your story is similar to ours.

What's happening in our communities, is malicious persons abusing the system.

Our minister in Queensland is delivering a booklet soon to get more neighbours to dob in possible abuse. This is making matters far worse.

Because DOCS keep stuffing up and the press are in a feeding frenzy, a type of mass hysteria is going on.

Having a friend at all meetings with DOCS is brilliant.

Did DOCS read out the temporary orders to you and explain them in full ? This is required.

Get a copy of the Act. The Child safety department have internet links. You'd be shocked how they don't follow their own Act.

A solicitor is the best way. He or She will bring some control back to the situation.

Try to negotiate with DOCS. It's a hard pill to follow. They have to follow the Act. The ACT states strongly that children should be placed with family as first choice.

This is why you should read all pertinent sections.

Document all breaches DOCS make. You'll have a lot.

"How can this be in her Best interest?
I am an intelligent person, but hell...Am I missing something????????????"

Answer: DOCS aren't bright at all. They are dumbed down Uni Grads with no life experience. The two we had were younger than my son. 1 was in Uni working part time and the other only 12 months out.

DOCS have no skills in investigation. The police at least have to earn rank in most cases, but DOCS get nice salaries with little or no experience.

Add Politicians who only Act for votes, and a catastrophes unfolds.

Janisthefree
Joined: 23/10/2008
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the all time blanket statement

this statement rings through all courts and child unsafety depts....in the interest of the child.....they need their families not strangers the morons deem fit to be carers....some are good, many are not by the standards of today......the gov are so desperate they are hiring anybody ...that they can control.... as carers...... this is frightening for any parent.

Anonymous (not verified)
RE: WHAT TO DO

Contact the Minister for Child Safety. COMPLAIN COMPLAIN COMPLAIN. She is responsible for these idiots. Let her know what is going on. Yes she is on their side. NOW......once you have contacted her-CONTACT HER COMPETITOR - THE SHADOW MINISTER AND ............COMPLAIN, COMPLAIN, COMPLAIN ANDCOMPLAIN ABOUT THE MINISTER NOTDOING HER JOB PROPERLY TOO. THIS WILL THEN BE TAKEN INTO PARLIAMENT. BUT DON'T STOP AT THIS. COMPLAIN TO THE CHILDREN'S COMMISSIONER, COMPLAIN TO ANYONE YOU THINK MAY BE EVEN SLIGHTLY RELEVANT. COMPLAIN TO THE PRIME MINISTER'S OFFICE AND THEIR OPPOSITION,COMPLAIN TO PREMIER'S OFFICE AND THERE OPPOSITION, HARD WORK I KNOW BUT WELL WORTH IT AS dEPARTMENT OF CHILD STEALING ABSOLUTELY HATES THIS. OHAND SEND DOCS HEAPS OF QUESTIONS TO ANSWER. CHANCES ARE THEY WON'T ANSWER THEM AND THEN RING THE MINISTER'S OFFICE AND COMPLAIN AND THEN COMPLAIN O THE SHADOW MINISTER'S OFFICE THAT YOU DON'T THINK THE MINISTER FOR CHILD SAFETY IS DOING HER JOB PROPERLY AND DOCS HAVEN'T ANSWERED YOUR QUESTIONS STILL.

AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU MAKE IT CLEAR TO DOCS THAT YOU "WILL NOT EXCEPT YOUR ANSWERED IN ANY OTHER FORM APART FROM WRITTEN. -THIS REALLY PISSE3S THEM OFF AS THEY HATE PAPERWORK. ALSO ADDRESSES IT TO A PARTICULAR PERSON. eg. team leader, investigating team. and also stte that answers will not by excepted by any other person from docs.

I STILL HAVE QUESTIONS UNANSWERED BY DOCS FROM 18 MONTHS AGO. JUST KEEP COMPLAINING. EVENTUALLY THEY'LL MEET THEIR DOWNFALL IF ENOUGH OF US CONTINUALLY COMPLAIN

Anonymous (not verified)
Questions

also make sure you give them at 30 questions to answer

Janisthefree
Joined: 23/10/2008
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you can consider yourself another victim of gov oppression

they do this sort of thing to break up the family unit, and they will hound you whether or not you do their bidding...they are cunning liars and have no intention of doing what they say....ask anyine who has had the misfortune of dealing with the dolts....the stories are all the same....just different dramas...what they are , are a pack of sadistic, opressive offenders of the rights of the general public, and no less than terrorists....and that is,according to their unhealthy conduct....illegal under International law......if there is such a thing.... the best you can do is spread the word about these forums so that the gov dolts are brought to justice....if there is such a thing.....

Scott (not verified)
re: class action

Let me know about the class action against DOCS - would be interested in helping out - "work experience" for a uni grad!

i'mamurtha (not verified)
reply to Scott re: Class Action

Scott,

I too am also interested in class action. BUT I do think the government is untouchable. I have pursued this avenue with Brisbane solicitors - but will look into it again and let you know.
It would also be difficult to gather together
(like a lobby group) because you might end up rubbing shoulders with paedophiles and actual persons who are child abusers. It would have to be children who were taken away due to being "at risk" with no substance to DOCS allegations. These among others are the new generation of stolen children.
One of my concerns as a practising professional and therefore dealing with DOCS in a professional capacity is that they are quite happy to snatch and grab but do not do any preventative measures first.
The government needs to realise that removing a child is a major disruption to a child's life on many levels (emotional, psychological, physcial etc.) And I would go as far as saying that there becomes a reverse abuse towards the child from DOCS actions.The government is not being accountable; the current system does not work and by giving such power to these CSO also gives them the power to be corrupt.I have noticed many of these worker are very young and have limited experience/ training. Just the other day I was dealing with a DOCS worker who is a social worker's associate (not a fully fledged social worker) and dictating to me (the professional in a certain area) about how often we need to be seeing their client because that client is also connected to our service. But the client did not need to be seen as regularly by our service and DOCS requirement were a bit absurd and not working in with our philosophy of care. I documented at length and reported my concerns to my line manager. My particular department is very concerned about DOCS involvement into our clients lives. DOCS do not forge stronger links with other agencies be they NGO's or other government departments. They run amock with their own views.

But anyway, the government needs to invent a new body that works with a family FIRST to aim for better outcomes and then if this fails THEN look at taking the children off the parent. NOT the other way around.
The current government system of DOCS only seems to snatch and grab chilren and victimise not only the parents but the children as well in their legal process.
People need to realise that DOCS are just legal - and it becomes DOCS Vs Parents. They know already how to play the legal game and can throw lots of money behind their plight to justify their claims. DOCS do not seem to be interested in the best interests of the child.
To my way of understanding DOCS are very corrupt, very backward and not into best practise, very unaccountable and seems to attract some sickos who have their own agendas.
Maybe DOCS need to do psychological profiles on potential employees? Then the government can further cover their arse 'cause one day the shit will hit the fan. (excuse me)
The governement needs to start working on the C.A.R.E. factor - cover arse remain employed.

I don't think Rudd and his government will achieve much for the children by making DOCS a commonwealth issue rather than a state issue.

Incidentally, there remains an apathy in the general community - sort of thought like - "Hey those people who get scrutinised by DOCS just ask for it, they must be real dodgy. Hmm, let's wipe those people off our list. It doesn't concern us."
If it doesn't concern the general public then they are probably not intersted. Sort of like who give a F*@*# anway.
well I do.

Little Lisa
Joined: 19/08/2008
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Count Us In!

I too have researched online and have a list of families. I have approx. 15 families that are awaiting the return of their children, then to a class action.

I have at least 15-20 families to add to your group of class action. I was looking into doing the same thing. I also have a contact from a newspaper investigator who is keen and has been researching for sometime now.

You can email me an email for you, and I will pass this information onto you.

Let's Do It NOW!!!!!!!!!

Janisthefree
Joined: 23/10/2008
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a supporter in your dream

By Crikey it is great to see people looking for others to have those morons held accountable.......yes they are criminals....and so are the apathetic gov representatives and media, which are controlled by the same body.
You can count me in on that one, and I shall most certainly let other relative carers and carers know what is going on.
I have names, dates, witnesses, and incidences all on record of these abusers, the CMC in 2004 and their recommendations were most certainly a whitewash, as is any government agency.
Children's Commission, tribunals, behavioural programs, psychologists, doctors etc are all as accountable for the continual abuse on these all ready damaged children.......above the law they claim.....let us show them all....they most certainly are not!!!!!!!
Laws...what laws.........they break them all...there is not one area in their own code of conduct they have not broken.......It is long past time for action and accountability.......instead of duck shoving them around other government departments......

Anonymous (not verified)
Thinking about becoming a foster carer.

Further to my post of Tue, 03/06/2008 - 11:56, the two children taken at 3.1/2 weeks and 2 years of age, were finally handed over to their grandmother after 6 weeks in foster care.

The next date for review is the end of August, by which time the parents will have had their beloved children in care for just over four months.

If it had been up to DOCS, they would have prolonged this to two years! Considering that there was absolutely no abuse, rather an accidental injury to the new baby, their treatment of the family has been nothing short of criminal.

I am sure that in the majority of cases DOCS is within their rights to take the children out of abusive situations, but when they make a mistake and are not willing or capable of sorting it out quickly, the damage they cause is absolutely heartbreaking. There has to be some better way for this department to make a correct judgment of the case. There have to be other departments involved from day one, before children are put into care, people who are specialists in dealing with parents and families involved.

Our experience was unfortunate in that the DOCS involved were substandard to say the very least. The case worker was completely without compassion, and obviously had no idea of the resultant effect her and her superior's decisions would have on the children they were supposed to protect.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, the foster carer couple were exemplary in their duty towards the children in their care, and I fully respect the situation they are subjected to. They admitted that the toddler was suffering from the separation from her parents.

DOCS delayed court proceedings as much as possible, by not being fully prepared, and by delaying any investigation of the parents. To date, to our knowledge, nothing has yet been done in this regard.

Although the parents are able to see the children at every possible opportunity now, and their grandmother is coping well with the changed circumstances of her life, those children need to be at home where they belong.

DOCS handled the situation extremely badly, and should be brought to account if only to force them to use better practices in handling situations they are not trained for.

As a postscript I would like to state that the injury to the baby, although frightening to the family, was not severe. She was removed from hospital in just over three days when she was taken off her mother's milk and put on formula so DOCS could put her in foster care.

Anonymous (not verified)
FOI

Try to get FOI !!!!!!!!!

They are in breach of their own Act again.

They are too busy and it is nearly indefinite now.

They have 45 days under the Act but they arrogantly send everybody letters a week before the due date.

This is the most disgraceful department that has ever existed. They do not give a damn about children or families.

Don't be bluffed; put in an appeal to the Information Commissioner or you could be waiting forever.

Janisthefree
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what freedom of information??????

i got my FOI papers back from centrelink to find much had not been reported, still no word on the response, FOI child safety....well i was told a few weeks ago it would be another six months........and i want to take my case to Amnesty International......whom i have been phoning since the abduction of my grandchildren from my care four and a half years ago....the corruption is rife.......inner corruption....isnt that how all the great empires fell.......
no, they do not give a dam....because it is the governments agenda to break up the family units ...in an attempt to weaken the people....get real govs....theres more of us than that lot of dishonest morons .

Anonymous (not verified)
you sound extreemly well

you sound extreemly well informed of the processes etc. have you requested an assessment be completed in regards to your child's bonding and attachment with you? or one of you family members who is willing to care for you child? perhaps you could do this privately?? I hope you dont mind me saying this, but have seen many stories such as yours.

Anonymous (not verified)
Hmmm.. Would you rather an institution

I do not see how Foster Carers are getting the blame for this. Would you rather your children end up in an institution?

DOCS are certainly wrong in alot that they do but dont have a go at the carers, most Foster carers have their own children and only want to provide a roof over the head of a child taken away from its parents to prevent the child being placed in an institution. I want nothing more than to see a child I care for go home to Mum and/or Dad or some other family member.

DOCS are the problem not the Foster Carers.

Anonymous (not verified)
How very wrong you are...the

How very wrong you are...the parents are the problem - not the carers and not the Departments.

Janisthefree
Joined: 23/10/2008
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re carers

most carers are great....but they are so deperate that these days they are hiring anyone as carers.....of course, this only compounds the problem....Ive heard carers say recently that the types they are hiring today , they wouldnt leave a dog with....says it all doesnt it.

Anonymous (not verified)
RE CARERS Well I'm a carer up

RE CARERS

Well I'm a carer up in the Tablelands of Cairns. They are losing carers left right and centre up here. Why they ask? Well because we see ourselfs the corruption that goes on with families getting their children off them.
They treat the carers up here like dogs and they think they own us. They take little innocent children off carers that have been in one placement for many years and place them with another. When you are getting training by the Dept the big thing they tell you is " attachments are a big thing in a child's life" , well they have proven up here that attachments mean nothing. It's bad enough when these poor children are taken off their own parents and placed in foster care, then they move them again because you question their decisions making. These kids are a number to the Dept and not treated as humans, half of the CSO's wouldn't even know what the kids look like.
Some thing needs to change in the DOCS BIG TIME!!!!

gizmo
Joined: 08/10/2008
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to r u kidding

not all have been stolen ,its not there fault ,that parents drink drink heavily ,morning and night,and boys didn't go to school as mum to drunk to get them there or get up early.,also beat there own kids up .kids roaming at all hours,looking for food.

you need to get your facts right on some cases,better off in foster homes,i know as ex neighbor
and saw this happening day after day,

it sounds like this was your case as you're so bitter. did you have your kids taken''''''''''''''''''''
its not easy way looking after children ,no amount of money covers what you pay out for children
its love and security they need.

Mullet (not verified)
You need to get realistic

You need to get realistic about this I do understand that some cases are handled wrong like my partner lost a child for things that where beyond her control but to say such a thing is rediculas what a child does not deserve a loving environment because 1 out of 20 cases may not be legitamate my children where left in highly abusive situations because adequate action was not taken and remember the only time they go to foster is when there are no other family members unwilling to take the child so dont be so quick because you have a bitter taste in your mouth and DOCS can only act if they actually see something going on so the initial complaint may have been done out of vengence but there must have been something going on for them to act

Janisthefree
Joined: 23/10/2008
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your numbers are wrong

i suggest you go visit some independant groups and go to aus-city forum.....the bitterness you see may be yours as many others are more angry and frustrated.....more at the lack of action from gov higher ups......I would like to know where you get your facts from......what is going on is corruption and an agenda that does not benefit any family in a supposed democratic country.
Since when do young adults hold power over families when they themselves have never experienced parenting.....and if they were so honest why do they need to trump up cases against those trying to normalise., and what need is there for them to continually harrass families and the already traumatised children.....excuse the punt....but are you in lala land?

Anonymous (not verified)
You need to get realistic

BULLSHIT! DICKHEAD! Obviously u r either a docs worker or a docs supporter. U obviously don't know anything. I had a good 20+ relatives willing to take my children and would have been approved by Qld standards. A certain Docs department in L###n, Qld decided to be spiteful and remove my children into foster care where they we not washed properly, feed properly or even had a proper bed to sleep in. (they were forced to share)
At present I have several taped conversations of the twits lying, Ma#@$ Children's Hospital Lying and several Q's that still remain unanswered by the Department- now 12 months later. A criminal Lawyer is now preparing our case. Just because Magistrates comply, doesn't mean Judges do, especially if it gets as far as the high court of Australia. Docs had to return my children 18 mths ago after extreme pressures were put on the minister of Child Safety with the Shadow Minister coming at her full force. The words "Unlawful Kidnapping and Wrongful Imprisonment" come to mind. The Department only had my childen for 3 weeks. And no I'm not a millionaire, so you can do it and take these PR@#KS to court, you just have to be prepared to sacrifice a lot of things.

most interesting.

I am most interested in your story.
I have mostly being hanging around aus-city forums.com and haven't looked looked on here for some time.

Anonymous (not verified)
Helpful!

Thank you for your constructive feedback.

foster carer QLD (not verified)
Im a foster Carer , and I

Im a foster Carer , and I would never encourage anybody else to be one. They are absoulute pigs to families and carers. Everything you read on here about DCHS is all true. Keep away from agencies like Cairns North, Atherton, and some brisbane area's, these people also put carers lives through hell.
DON'T DO IT < YOU WILL REGRET IT.

Anonymous (not verified)
I totally agree , the Dept of

I totally agree , the Dept of Atherton and Cairns North offices are so corupt . These so called workers treat carers like pigs. The workers in Atherton are nothing but unqualified little school girls and like to run it their way and not by the book. As soon as a carers questions their decisions , the Dept take children off the carers and give them to other carers.. MMM this is really thinking of the children. And when their is a corupted Dept and their is always a corupted cop involved .
I would never encourage anybody to be a carer in Atherton or Cairns North.!!!!!!

Janisthefree
Joined: 23/10/2008
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all depts are corrupt

they all hold the same serial behaviour.....what is needed is an independant haven away from gov depts for the children and their carers whether relative or otherwise....the sacredness of the family unit is being maligned by this mob of henchmen

Anonymous (not verified)
You are right , Atherton

You are right , Atherton office is bad. The snr Prac their should be sacked. The staff turnover there is huge because of the snr prac. Atherton office treat carers like dogs. I was once a CSO at Atherton and left because of the coruption in the office. They run their own show there and not by the book. They take kids off carers and use the excuse it's because they are not indig , then place the kids with another white family. I can not figure that one out??. Like i said , you get in the bad books with the SNR prac or the Manager , they will send you to get a Psyc report done at Mental HEalth, turn your life upside and will not give you any answers to any questions.
Good luck parents and Carers in Atherton keep fighting!!!!

ohmigod (not verified)
foster care

I just cannot get over what I'm reading!. I too was considering becoming a carer and had no idea that this awfulness was going on!. I am a nurse and my sister, who I work closely with, is a social worker for a womens shelter. We see a different side of children needing genuine placements because of different home life issues, but in saying that, we are jsut reading reports given to us by the services. How can they justify themselves if this horror is going on?. Do we have a second stolen generation on our hands?. Does any one at all have any thing positive to say of the services that we have? or are they all monsters?

Dispair (not verified)
Something Positve

I AM "POSITIVE" THAT MOST OF THE STAFF OF THE DEPARTMENT OF CHILD SAFETY SERVICES DON'T KNOW HOW IT FEELS TO HAVE YOUR CHILD TAKEN FROM YOU AND PLACED IN THE CARE OF STRANGERS, LEAVING YOU NOT KNOWING WHO THE PEOPLE ARE THAT ARE WITH YOUR CHILD, OR WHERE YOUR CHILDREN ARE.

NOR DO THEY KNOW HOW IT FEELS TO HEAR YOUR LITTLE CHILD CRYING ON THE PHONE, BEGGING, PLEADING TO COME HOME.

NOR DO THEY KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE TO LAY AWAKE AT NIGHT PRAYING TO GOD THAT WHOEVER HAS YOUR CHILD IS NOT DOING SOMETHING TERRIBLE TO THEM.

BECAUSE I AM POSITIVE THEY WOULD NOT BE SO QUICK TO TAKE A CHILD FROM ITS HOME IF THEY DID!

illusion
Joined: 06/04/2008
User offline. Last seen 18 weeks 4 days ago.
So true

It's called no life experience. Most DOCS are children or screwed up adults.

A neighbour of mine has a family member who works for DOCS. The person has just had kids.

His comment: "she has some weird ideas about bringing up children." The entire families opinion is she shouldn't be working in this area of child safety as she's nuts.

Anonymous (not verified)
You should also be positive

You should also be positive that the people that work in that department would never place their children at risk of harm therefore they would never have to know what it felt like to have their children taken from them.
Grow up, take responsibility and stop playing the victim. The only victims in the equation of child abuse are the children.

Beenthere (not verified)
You should also be positive

You should also be positive that all the people who work in that department wouldn't have a clue about what they deal with. They seem to think they are there to make judgments rather than make certain of what the truth of the situation is before subjecting innocent children and their innocent parents to the greatest trauma one can imagine.
They are dealing with hit and miss situations -- sometimes they are right and sometimes they are wrong. However, they play God no matter which way the cookie crumbles, and those they hurt, sometimes irreparably, have to just grin and bear it.
In a situation where a child is injured accidentally, and where all the testing conducted through the hospital shows no past injuries, one would think that the correct procedure would be to hand the child/children over to the nearest kin carer and very quickly assess the parents through a properly conducted investigation, in order to limit the trauma to the family. This is a commonsense approach that the case worker and team leader in my family's situation did not even contemplate. Instead they went to great lengths, putting the children into foster care and using every delaying tactic in the book to make it six weeks before they were handed over to their grandmother. The reason DOCS gave for not handing the children over early was that the grandmother supported the parents and they considered her hostile for doing this!!!! They took