National Road Transport Forum 2008
On the 28/07/2008 all modes of road transport will cease to offer any freight services until the Government meets the demands from the forums held around the country.
This shutdown is designed to have 'Minimum impact on the community with Maximum effect on Government'.
I understand that the conditions being introduced aren't fair and I understand fuel and rego costs are terrible but don't you think there is a better way to get your point accross? You are making everyone suffer for the sake of making a point. There are alot of professions and businesses doing it so tough right now, its not just you drivers and owners. I am so tired of hearing about how this country will stop without trucks. Well if thats the case and if you want your industry to be seen as that critical then there is a certain level of responsibility to the public that comes with that label! If you expect people who aren't truck drivers or who are unaffiliated with the industry to respect you then respect them and their rights too! Maybe you would get a lot more support from the general public if you went about making your point in a civilised way rather than such a rogue way. We UNDERSTAND your doing it tough, we UNDERSTAND you do a great job - so why punish us by blocking our roads or taking action that may make it hard for us to function as families and communities? I am not biased to truck drivers, I am in a family of them, and my husband is continuing to do his work with the opinion that protesting and blockading won't achieve anything except punishing the general community. Yes I understand the food in my cupboards, my tv and probably this computer Im typing from came from a truck and I respect that, but that doesn't give you the right to demand my respect or to bring the roads I travel on to a halt. To ALL truck drivers and owners - you are VERY important to this country, so how about you show that you take that role seriously and behave in a dignified way. To the truck drivers not taking part in this action - you are truly the drivers that keep this country moving and I will support you in anyway I can.
You tell us what to do to make the government and authorities listen and stop creating legislation that will damage the livelihoods of truckies. Im sure all truckies are open to suggestions coz we have tried everything and nothing has worked. Do you really think that this stoppage is what we all want?? Coz if you do your mistaken this is what we have to do so we are heard.
This fight has been going on for years and the government had the same thoughts as majority of society that this stoppage would not go ahead, so people werent bothered by the initial plan but now it has everyone is panicing and getting irrate.
Truckies did the right thing but making it public that the stoppage was going ahead and everyone has had at least a month to prepare. It is not our fault that people didnt take it seriously because it could have been kept quiet and no one would have had any warning.
Just remember this stoppage has occurred because we are being ignored.
Firstly, the majority of us operators are not rogues, as you wrote. The majority of us are not involved in blockades or violence. We are parked up at home, we have. We have chosen not to transport goods, as is our right. Violence and blockades are NOT on our agenda.
There isn't a better way to do this now. Dialogue has not worked, the governments will not listen to real life situations, to how the fatigue regulations will work in reality. Our associations have not been able to change our governments mind, so that only leaves this last desperate action.
If these fatigue regulations go through, sunshine, you and your businesses will do it tougher when your freight does not get carted to you as quick as you want, when your freight charges escalate even more. And if you are in a family of truck drivers then you should know that the new fatigue laws will affect you drastically, if you have even read them and tried to understand them.
Most people I know have stopped because of the new fatigue regulations more than anything else.
I am parked up, my friends are parked up, and alot of others are parked up, and we are not blockading. We are usually doing maintenance or spending time with our families. We are losing money whilst doing so, but we believe this is the last thing to do.
And as for the other idiot who claims he will sue us if his freight isnt carted, I say "bring it on". At least put your name to it, you are obviously gutless. You cannot sue us for choosing not to cart your freight. Obviously there are foolish people everywhere.
I apologise Dallas, I wasn't referring to truck drivers in general as rogues, rather the actions of some drivers taking part in these actions. I dont think that stop work, for any industry achieves results. Teachers, nurses and other industries conduct strikes and protests and yet its during talks behind closed doors that change actually happens. I am very aware of the new laws and how they will affect my family, I am aware of all of the changes and no I dont think they are fair or reasonable, but I also dont think that stopwork or protests or blockades are going to achieve what you as an industry are hoping for.
I understand you have a point to make and Im not sure what the answer is to getting what you are hoping for but what's going on at the moment isn't going to achieve anything but more bad PR for the industry. Communication is always the better option and I know representatives and drivers of the industry have tried before but perserverance pays off! All I am saying here is that if the truck drivers won't cart the freight then who suffers? The public do. And its the public's support that you need to help back you up! The guy who made the comment about suing is clearly very stressed too by this whole situation, so how about rather than insulting and threatening on these forums, how about some understanding for EVERYONE involved...that is the owners, drivers, other businesses and yes, the public. Yes there are foolish people in the world, but just because someone has different ideas to you, that doesn't make them foolish.
I accept your apology, I just felt that we were all getting put into the same box as those from the mob calling for blockades and possible violence.
I didnt think I insulted you (though I shouldnt have said "sunshine" I supposse). I may have insulted the person who threatened to sue by calling him an idiot, but he didnt offer another view, he just said he'd sue. If he added a view or opinion to back up his comment, it may have made more sense.
I agree that communication is better, but it hasn't worked. Persistence will not pay off in this case as the authorities have said these are the rules and will stay that way ( the new fatigue regs that is). The associations ended up accepting these new regulations, so in alot of peoples opinions they have technically failed the operators.
I agree that more should become members of associations, and if they had more then they may have more "pull" to the government, but it still doesnt mean we wouldnt have these "world first" regulations stuck on us (apparently they are called world first on their own website).
I respect your opinion, but the talks have occurred and failed, so until someone could come up with a better idea this is unfortunately what it has come to.
cheers,
Dallas Brookfield.
iF THIS IS TRUE BLENNERS BETTER MAKE SURE THEY NEVER FUCK UP IN FRONT OR AROUND ME AND THE NEXT JARRED UP CLOWN I SEE AT A ROADHOUSE WILL BE GETTIN PUT IN TO THE COPS THIS IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE ARE UP AGAINST SO IF IT IT TRUE THAT THEY ARE STILL GOING MAKE LIFE HELL FOR THEM AND REPORT EVERY LITTLE FUCK UP etc TO THE LOCAL POLICE ZONE
Dont you think if there was a better way to get the point across it woulda been done by now???????????
How STUPID are you????
That last sentence is SO LAME!!!
Does your husband know u wrote that? I am extremely embarrassed for you if thats what u think.
I dont think you understand anything at all
Trying to come across as someone that knows it all has not done u any favours becuz quite frankly u sound like a moron!
Pretty Frustating really and very dissapointing.
Amy.
Thanks for your reply Amy. If you are so immature to not respect that this forum is for people to express their opinion then maybe you could pick a teenage chat room.
Yes my husband was sitting with me when I sent it and I couldnt care less for your insults.
What is truly disappointing is that your life is so sad you resort to attacking me for having a point of view different to your clearly dim opinion.
Truckies have been doing it tough for years and put up with it while they wait for the reps to make some progress and change the working conditions for truckies which is the reason why this stoppage is going on. People complain about doing it hard for a few weeks .... well now you know how the truckies have felt for years.
Maybe if they had all our support they might get somewhere and the stoppage would be over quickly, if society do not support the truckies in this fight it will just prolong the stoppage.
100% behind them!!
Ok girl I have my opinion as the wife of a driver, you have yours as.... whatever you are.
My view is, yes the conditions are hard and what the industry is asking for isn't unreasonable BUT this protest wont communicate that any better than people actually joining associations, getting behind the industry and talking with the relevant ministers and governments.
So it hasn't worked yet....keep trying. As I said before, how many strikes or protests actually get results from that action? How much more progress is made in a less sensationalised meetings behind closed doors with the right people?
Now as for your conduct on here, I disagree with quite a few opinions on this forum but I havent gone and personally insulted the people who wrote them just because they dont agree with me. So take YOUR uninformed trash talk and maybe come back when you actually have a valid opinion to offer.
the reason drivers are taking this action is because the rates of pay mean we are getting your everyday needs to you at a very cheap rate. we help you save money. fuel isnt the issue. everyone is suffering because of high fuel prices. these actions by some groups arent rogue as everyone has a right to be heard and protest. how would u like your husband to do a full weeks work and at the end of the week you struggle to have enough money to pay your mortgage or buy your goceries. then take into the fact that the government bodies are introducing new logbook fines that if you are unlucky enough to get one you may not be able to pay your mortgage or buy groceries for a couple of weeks. this could be as a result of not having a suitable rest area for your husband to take a break. $1500 fine and $100 a minute that you are out of hours. being half an hour over doesnt cause accidents, the disgraceful condition of the bruce highway is what causes accidents. every truck driver needs to make a stand to the governments and tell them that we arent going to be pushed around and that we are more than revenue raises for the government budgets. is this the reason that $13billion of fuel tax hasnt gone into road maintainence or is this money going into there health budgets and education budgets??? it all comes down to government mismanagement of our taxes. and these new fines and increases in registration costs are just going to make the governments budget surplus even greater. makes it look like they are running the country in a professional manner. when the fact is the people who are the easiest targets, the truck drivers, are the ones left paying for it. what sort of an outrage would there be if the government put car and motorbike registration costs up by 150%. no one would stand for that so why should we!!
Oh we have a HERO everybody-a GUTLESS HERO at that!!!!
Sumone has tha balls to take a stand on sumthin they believe in and try and do sumthin about it and sumone like u has to be a dumbf*ck and becum Mr IM GONA GET YOU BACK.
How old are u??
You suck.Go AWAY.
LOSER.
Hi Everyone
Just a quick note to say that we are completly behind you all. My hubby is a truck driver, as is his father and I can say first hand how disenchanted all in the industry are. Being a truckie is a thankless job, and now the government is trying to do them both ways! It really irritates me when the media say this is all about diesel prices, what a load of. It is so much, much more.
I have also worked as the devils advocate as a logistics coordinator and can assure you that these guys 'taking a well earned holiday' are generally a great bunch and all they are asking for is a fair go!
Good Luck guys...
(My hubby is now stuck on the other side of the country so sooner rather then later would be nice)
the reason drivers are taking
Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 28/07/2008 - 21:13.
the reason drivers are taking this action is because the rates of pay mean we are getting your everyday needs to you at a very cheap rate. we help you save money. fuel isnt the issue. everyone is suffering because of high fuel prices. these actions by some groups arent rogue as everyone has a right to be heard and protest. how would u like your husband to do a full weeks work and at the end of the week you struggle to have enough money to pay your mortgage or buy your goceries. then take into the fact that the government bodies are introducing new logbook fines that if you are unlucky enough to get one you may not be able to pay your mortgage or buy groceries for a couple of weeks. this could be as a result of not having a suitable rest area for your husband to take a break. $1500 fine and $100 a minute that you are out of hours. being half an hour over doesnt cause accidents, the disgraceful condition of the bruce highway is what causes accidents. every truck driver needs to make a stand to the governments and tell them that we arent going to be pushed around and that we are more than revenue raises for the government budgets. is this the reason that $13billion of fuel tax hasnt gone into road maintainence or is this money going into there health budgets and education budgets??? it all comes down to government mismanagement of our taxes. and these new fines and increases in registration costs are just going to make the governments budget surplus even greater. makes it look like they are running the country in a professional manner. when the fact is the people who are the easiest targets, the truck drivers, are the ones left paying for it. what sort of an outrage would there be if the government put car and motorbike registration costs up by 150%. no one would stand for that so why should we!!
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Throughout history we know that strikes can achieve good results for employees, we only need to look at the past.
Fuel prices are hurting everyone at the moment, however when a person is lead to believe that the increase in fees are due to transport you tend to believe them, well that’s until you realise that truck drivers are not receiving this money.
-Truck drivers need better pay and conditions –
Continue your strike until you get positive results as making a stand for your rights is being bloody Australian.
It's a pity that not all are supporting this strike as if all truck drivers stopped their rigs then something positive would happen.
I am not even a truck driver or know any, but I do see them daily on the road, going back and forth bringing goods to each community. These men work hard; they drive long hours and get very little profits, for what?
People do not need to be threaten to achieve results, I am totally SHOCKED that the Unions are not backing this strike, maybe if all sat down and organised an Australia Wide Strike then you may get the results needed.
Big businesses are not going to be affected by this strike, the only people who will be affected are those truck drivers who have taken a stand today, their lives and jobs are at stake.
If all “Truck Drivers” Australia wide where able to organise a National Strike for a month or more then I could see business and governments making changes for you all. The only way people will listen as it would cripple Australia.
I know many of you are suffering financially (14 months myself and my 13 yr old daughter & and a friend have been homeless, we lost our business and home, we know what it’s like). It is only going to get worse, petrol prices are NOT coming down. Your pay is not going up, but everything in our community is, from loans to rent, to the products you all bring into town.
Unless we as true blue Australians stand together as ONE. A National Strike in support for better pay and conditions and facilities for drivers (Rest Stops) and driver safety issues.
Most of the Transport Workers Unionists are employed by the large transport companies that have turned their backs on this shutdown. So whether they support this or not, they need the TWU to take them out as one. When the union looks at receeding numbers and wonders why, dont look any further than the NATIONAL ROAD TRANSPORT SHUTDOWN, 28/07/2008, where the bloody hell were you..........
So true, unions are raking in the money and not supporting the people they take the funds from.
Unions are becoming weak. For the TWU to stand by and just watch says it all. How they insure they have only people in the union who do not open there mouths - the puppets.
Australia is a weak country with no stance on things that matter.
Support the truckie industry - come on guys, if you all strike then change will be FORCED to happen.
Why wont't the unions support this? Is someone in the union being paid to ensure truck drivers continue work? Why do I ask this? Because it does not make sense that these hard working truck drivers are not getting a fair pay.
Consider the pay a taxi driver gets? This pay is so much more than a truck driver. Why are truck drivers the ones who have to suffer?
I call for a National Truck Strike to last until changes happen even if it is for more than a month
Why Why Why do people still think it is better not to join in this shut down and continue on working,im over hearing-its not gonna achieve anything.
then u get the ignorant tossers saying we should just persevere and try other avenues like communicating with the right people blah blah blah.
You are effectively saying_DONT STAND UP FOR YOURSELVES,just continue on the way you are and sumthing will happen-WELL GUESS WHAT!!!!
How many bloody years have we been waiting???.
IT DOES NOT WORK!!!!!
This is what we are left with!!!.
The Media coverage is pitiful to the point where it SUX.
IM still 150% behind it.KEEP IT GOING!!!!
God why cant you people see YOUR ACTIONS ARE NOT WORKING! You tried your strike and it failed because your colleagues out there who have actually given it some thought have realised that trying to FORCE change isnt the way to go! All that this strike has achieved is bad publicity. Watching the news last night I was embarrassed for those of you backing this! WAKE UP! Maybe try behaving like civilised human beings and communicate your point in a mature way instead of throwing a tantrum! Thats right, thats all this strike is being percieved as!!!! And as for this forum its unreal! Anyone who even slightly doesnt agree with this action gets attacked. You call on your colleagues to join you yet you turn on them at the first chance.


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